For any of you guys out there that have outstanding orders....like me (over 2 years), it seems that DJ is in a little bit of financial difficulty.  According to a Facebook post of about three pages, he is down to very little operating capital.

If I understand this correctly, the problems seem to be with his midtech line of offerings such as my folder.  Some $12k in raw materials were ruined by an outside machinist he hired to do midtech offerings.  In reaction to that, he bought his own CNC machine, another machine of some type and all of the accessories needed such as collets, cutters, etc.  By bringing everything under one roof, he can now completely control the production process.

However, these machines are expensive to set up and run.  He has openly asked for monetary help.  So if you have an outstanding order, you should probably check on it.  I wouldn’t expect anything for a long time.  At this point for me, I’m just going to TRY to forget about my $850 blade because I’m already angry enough at most of the known fucking world and this doesn’t help.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Note: If you see "edited" assume it was to adjust for fat-finger typing.

Damn that sucks.

On a positive note... he hasn't broke contact and went dark.

CNC tooling isn't cheap. Neither is learning how to set it up and run it.

14k of wrecked materials is a kick in the shorts though. Unless he has some remedy (by going after the "machinist" that wrecked them) that is a straight up loss. 

For a 1 or 2 person shop 14k of raw materials is the type of loss that may take years -if ever- to recover from.

Thanks for the update Counselor.

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David Reeves posted:

Damn that sucks.

On a positive note... he hasn't broke contact and went dark.

CNC tooling isn't cheap. Neither is learning how to set it up and run it.

14k of wrecked materials is a kick in the shorts though. Unless he has some remedy (by going after the "machinist" that wrecked them) that is a straight up loss. 

For a 1 or 2 person shop 14k of raw materials is the type of loss that may take years -if ever- to recover from.

Thanks for the update Counselor.

The loss in materials is big, but in comparison to the cost of buying a very good quality CNC mill ($50 To $100K or more) it’s a smaller concern. Replacing that material with material of the same quality is what’s going to hurt-with inflation, etc. The shop I’m in has purchased close to a dozen new machines in the last 2 years. If I could get the top dog here to cut free just one of the $250 million we’ll make in sales this year I know exactly where I’d send it. No questions asked. 

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All I could see was “buy my stuff”...

Know thy enemies, but be aware of thy friends...

 

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

CCCSD posted:

All I could see was “buy my stuff”...

You are a wise man.....

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I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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I really hope this doesn't end up going the way it feels like it is headed.

I understand "business setbacks".

I understand "life happens".

After doing a LOT more reading last night it feels more like something else much less honorable.

I hope I'm wrong.

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I've always been curious how the $400+ custom blade guys stay in business.  I can't help but wonder if this is just the market catching up.  

Just thinking out loud.

“They were two douchebags who met in the normal course of being two douchebags.” - Sully, Third Watch

ggammell posted:

I've always been curious how the $400+ custom blade guys stay in business.  I can't help but wonder if this is just the market catching up.  

Just thinking out loud.

There is no shortage of customers.  Many of the big time makers are solo acts and just as many have order books that are two years deep and closed.  The more I learned about high end knives, the more I realized that compared to gun guys, they are maniacs about the slightest imperfection in a new blade or God forbid someone who actually used it.  Most are true “collectors” in every sense of the word.  $400 is not even a 50% deposit for most of them.

I love Crusader Forge blades.  He is a one man operation.  He doesn’t even take orders anymore.   The only way to get one of his knives is second hand yet you pay nearly list price.  About an average of $1k.  There are guys who can go to $5k easily and they sell everyone they can make.  Much cheaper than high end Guns for sure but still expensive.

That is NOT the case here.

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WOW

Thank Dog I'm satisfied with a Benchmade!

 

 

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Note: If you see "edited" assume it was to adjust for fat-finger typing.

I had an order in with American Kami many years ago with a quoted timeline of 18 months.  I get setbacks and that custom work takes time, but at year three I asked for my money back (it appears I wasn't alone in doing that).  DJ was good about it and sent my refund and one of his sporks as an apology for not making his timeline.  I hope DJ pulls through this and makes good with his customers but I agree with CCCSD's statement, that's what I read as well...

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DJ has always had good comms.  Had a GITFO-DA that got pushed back a couple times.  At least one got messed up in the coating process.  I now also have one of the Boker GITFO's, which, while obviously not as nice, is pretty good for the price point and availability.  Hopefully DJ gets a good cut from those sales, as for my uses anymore, I'm done with expensive knives.  I've got a Kiku DB Police, and a AK GITFO-DA...anything else is going to be disposable (relatively).

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Consigliere posted:
ggammell posted:

I've always been curious how the $400+ custom blade guys stay in business.  I can't help but wonder if this is just the market catching up.  

Just thinking out loud.

There is no shortage of customers.  Many of the big time makers are solo acts and just as many have order books that are two years deep and closed.  The more I learned about high end knives, the more I realized that compared to gun guys, they are maniacs about the slightest imperfection in a new blade or God forbid someone who actually used it.  Most are true “collectors” in every sense of the word.  $400 is not even a 50% deposit for most of them.

I love Crusader Forge blades.  He is a one man operation.  He doesn’t even take orders anymore.   The only way to get one of his knives is second hand yet you pay nearly list price.  About an average of $1k.  There are guys who can go to $5k easily and they sell everyone they can make.  Much cheaper than high end Guns for sure but still expensive.

That is NOT the case here.

Consigliere has nailed it WRT the high knife market.  I've been collecting and using knives for a long time, long enough to see the market trend upward.  It is saturated, but it has largely been in response to consumer demands.  The choices now as opposed to 10 and 20 years ago are pretty amazing. 

Regarding DJ's situation, this is the first I have heard of it.  I don't doubt any of it based on seeing other makers in the past have financial pitfalls.  Some recover and salvage their reputation, most do not.  

I placed an order with DJ in early 2016 for one of his new mid-tech push style daggers.  Comms were not instantaneous but he was responsive.  I paid upfront and I told him I wasn't in a big hurry.  When we got close to delivery date I would ping him for updates and he responded every time.  In all, I think my order was delivered in 9 months.  Later I contacted him about purchasing G-10 grips for the knife, which took an additional 4-6 months. 

I was very happy with my purchase and he seemed like one of the "good" guys to me.   I tend to put myself in the "maker's" shoes.  A lot of these guys start out doing this out of passion for a hobby.  Just because someone is good at making something people will pay top dollar for doesn't mean they are cut out to run a business.   I hope the best for DJ because he makes a good product and has a very unique style.  I also hope you get your folder one day, Consig.  I've had my eye on those as well... 

Well that sucks. DJ always seemed like one of the good guys. The closest I'll probably ever get to one of his knives is a Boker Colubris. It's a good blade for what it is though. I certainly wish him the best of luck. 

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DJ's problems are clear as he as openly admitted them.  To that, I wish him well.  I hate to see anyone fail at something they love.

Running a business is a cruel and unyielding mistress for sure.  I have never done it myself and have very little insight as to how a successful one is run.

That said, there are easy, nearly free ways to keep your customers satisfied that so many knife, gun and especially gear makers fail to do:

Keep timelines:  I never deployed anywhere so I'm not one of the guys who would call a maker up and say I need XYZ because I'm wheels up in a day.  But I don't set the timeline.  They do.  If I place an order and ask "how long?" I am relying on the maker's experience  to tell me X time.  You know how it's easy to be a hero?  Quote me 6 months and get it to me in 3 knowing full well that it was the actual time you needed.  Not only will you look great, I will go out of my way to TELL everyone you were great.  I get shit happens which is why....

Maintain comms:  If/when shit goes wrong, JUST FUCKING TELL THE CUSTOMER.  Do NOT go black on me.  NOTHING makes me more angry than when someone courts my business, takes my money and pulls a Houdini for months at a time.  I know it takes time but it doesn't take that much.  Answer questions in a reasonable amount of time.  It calms the customer down unless you......

Do Not Lie:  NEVER fucking lie to me...EVER.  Again, if you need to tell me something affecting my order...tell me.  But when I ask where my order is, do not attempt to placate me by saying "just got the parts", "it's back from coating", "just have to assemble".  When you keep repeating the same shit to me, it make Hulk angry.  I listen to people lie to me every day FOR A LIVING.  You ain't that fucking slick.  But under no circumstances should you ever...

Post about new stuff for sale:  when you owe people.  So say I have ordered oh...I dunno...a knife for the sake of argument.  And that knife has been vaporware going on year three.  But then you go to your favorite online forum....let's say Lightfighter....and see that maker display an entire table of NEW shit for sale at Bladeshow.  And more than once.  It offends my delicate sensibilities aka makes me murderous.

So I will sit here and wait like apparently a few others.  Nothing else I can do....for the moment.

 

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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No matter how good the product is...it ain’t THAT good.

Know thy enemies, but be aware of thy friends...

 

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

Consig,

You just listed the four things that get a custom knife maker killed... WRT business.  I couldn't agree with you more.  In all the horror stories I've read about different makers not delivering on orders the one that will always baffle me is: "Post new stuff for sale..."  and not fulfill outstanding orders.  

Ya know, this sounds like several gunsmiths I've met and one that held my 1911 hostage for a long time. You would not believe the list of lame excuses I got from this highly regarded person. Craftsmen are generally NOT business men. Sometimes, they aren't even good problem solvers. 

Damned artists.

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Just another little update.  I don't know how many people actually care but the venting is good for my CHF.

Judging by his Facebook page, more and more people are getting itchy.  One guy is on year SIX for a full custom.  But now there seems to be a group of "supporters" that do so in a way I do not think is really good for business.

Instead of "no worries"  or "be patient" it's come down to "you're a fucking whiner" or "you're the asshole that paid in full in advance." (something I was TOLD to do and I did so with no fear as DJ in a LFer and I wanted to help a brother out.)  I don't know if these guys speak for him but they are on his page..... so without correction, they actually do.

I get the loss of materials and expense of equipment.  But this happened TWO YEARS after my order.  So MY parts were part of this?  I think not but apparently the company line is everything is set back to zero because of this.  Time travel must be nice.  He should patent it.

As is typical, Hulk angry.  Urge for Hulk to smash growing.  Woo...saa.  Woo...saa.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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Refund? Class action?

Know thy enemies, but be aware of thy friends...

 

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

David Reeves posted:

There is also the possibility that the "supporters" or at least some of them are him/family/employees

Absolutely.  But I know not all of them. 

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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CCCSD posted:

Refund? Class action?

Refund:  Definitely an option...if there is money to refund.

Civil action:  (not class)  PITA and only the fucking lawyers win.  Plus it is very hard to enforce any judgment.

There's a very good reason Consig always suggests using USPS money orders and shipping via USPS instead of PP, checks or Fed Ex or UPS.  They’re called Postal Inspectors and they live for mail and wire fraud...and they’re  free.  Just sayin'.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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Go RICO...

Know thy enemies, but be aware of thy friends...

 

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

Consig,

That kind of bandwagon hating is frustrating.  I'm tempted to send you my NPD just to quell your anger but I know it's not the same as putting the money down towards a flipper that has never arrived. 

If anything, your story should serve to steer potential buyers and "fans" away.   IMO, there is such a glut of options in the custom/mid-tech knife world that this sort of behavior cannot be tolerated for very long.  

To think that I actually considered putting in a request for one of his flippers before I ordered my first fixed blade from him...

Fan boys in the knife world can be pretty rabid, he might not even be watching what's going on.

Hardly anybody takes deposits anymore, except for some of the high end art knife people.  They can be out $10K in gold and other expensive materials for a custom order.  Too many makers have gotten behind and spent deposits without making the knives.  It's always a bad situation, with lots of animosity.    Very rarely does getting parts or knives made by outside machinists work.  They generally aren't knife people and don't understand the nuances of the knives, or how to work with some of the exotic materials.  Millit does good work, but they got way, way behind on stuff they've promised to people.   If you want control, in house is best, but there is always a hard limit on production until you hire more people and that has its own pitfalls.

Sitting here typing this as I'm waiting for my MiniMill to finish up a part so I can put on the next one.    It's fun working for yourself, only 10.5 hours in the shop today. 

It's all in the reflexes.

The" Hey it's Fucking May " update.

Last post on FB was he finally got his new laser engraver sorted out...for his sporks.   He "laid his hands" on some folders.  I have no fucking idea what that means.  I actually try to forget all of this bullshit because I have enough things on my plate that drive me nuts.  

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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It was 8 years ago when I ordered a Custom Colubris and paid up front.  At year two, I received a "loaner" while waiting for it all while making comments of encouragement in his thread here depicting stacks of new knives being shown off.  At year 3, I made my last inquiry and have never heard from him again. 

I sold the loaner a few months ago and will not buy nor recommend.  I hadn't badmouthed thus far but I'm reconsidering.  Sorry for your luck bro. 

It strikes me as odd that in this age of seemingly instant internet destruction of business and personal reputations;  the simple tenents mentioned above re: customer service Mk1 Mod 0, cannot be applied. 

How does someone come back from  this idiocy?  The days of re-branding and starting over after this kind of mistreatment are gone.  Everyone either knows or will know your name and even if the re-branding takes hold, this kind of behavior will send a successful second chance to the bottom in a hurry once the fraud is exposed.   

Is local walk in business for $300+ cutlery and sporks that robust that custom sales and reputation mean nothing?   This kind of bullshit is second time I've been duped trying to put some jingle in the pocket of a start up Lightfighter.  Shame on me with DJ, but at least I had an item in hand to recoup some loss.  It should be noted that I've had far more successes than failures with dudes on this site though.    

Dusty black coat and a red right hand.

Sorry to hear about you as well.

I didn't need the blade.  Fuck I don't need 98% of the shit I have but the knife looked cool and again, it was supporting a brother member.  I probably wouldn't have bought anything if he wasn't here.  Through Stalin's FB account I can see his posts which is now I heard about the laser engraver.  The most amazing part is that there are only three of us who ask where are shit is every month or so.  The rest of the numerous other guys praise him, his work and his flat out doggedness for not quitting with all of the set backs.  GO TEAM!!!!  Some asshole like to confront us but that usually goes poorly for them.

Like you, outside of this in the 14 years I've been here, besides Kami I had two problems but both were finally settled.  I have gotten a metric fuckton of good deals here.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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UPDATE:  Of course he is going to Blade show.  That's what makers do.  Yesterday he said that he was finishing three folders to go out to their owners before he leaves and another two to TAKE TO THE SHOW.  If mine is not one of the three, all bets are off and I will have to do something I rarely do.  I'll hope for the best.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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lasertech posted:
Consigliere posted:

.......... will have to do something I rarely do.  I'll hope for the best.

A strongly worded letter?

Oh God no.

A tersely worded letter.  Much stronger.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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Can he feasibly straighten things out and undo the "damage" that is already done? 

 

  I really like the style of his work.  My son got me one of his fixed blade knives back when Grey Group was still a thing, and have since wanted to get another- but after reading all this........and Strider essentially closing up shop-----------It looks like a Medford is in my future.

Damn, I really like the looks of DJ's work, it almost has a "Tim Burton" influence.   

Consigliere posted:
lasertech posted:
Consigliere posted:

.......... will have to do something I rarely do.  I'll hope for the best.

A strongly worded letter?

Oh God no.

A tersely worded letter.  Much stronger.

So, what then, a very tersely worded letter?

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Wow. Had no idea about all the issues. Good to know. I still sport an American Kami THE SHIIT Bag and get compliments on nearly every business trip. 

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly"

MOJONIXON posted:
Consigliere posted:
lasertech posted:
Consigliere posted:

.......... will have to do something I rarely do.  I'll hope for the best.

A strongly worded letter?

Oh God no.

A tersely worded letter.  Much stronger.

So, what then, a very tersely worded letter?

[A Few Good Men] I strenuously object [/A Few Good Men]

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lasertech posted:
Consigliere posted:

.......... will have to do something I rarely do.  I'll hope for the best.

A strongly worded letter?

A letter doesn't have to be strongly worded, or even  slightly aggressive to get the message across.

It just has to have the correct signature block.

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I forgot to add...

Sometimes though some people don't understand the message even then.

It is those particular times when you have to print the letter on decent paper and hand deliver it.. sometimes though...you have to wrap the letter around a baseball bat or a brick to properly deliver it.

------------------------------------- "A True Warrior knows neither Left or Right"  Looking for a doc who can fix my allergies.. Stupid People and IED's...

Sad to see DJ go down the road if so many before him.  Love my SHIIT bag and Spork, but luckily got in early.  So many of these folks want success and then can’t handle it when it comes.  

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

Additional updates:

Even though I hate Facefuck or Twitterbook or whatever that shit is called, I have been able to be invited to his page (not important how).  Here’s what’s up.

-he has his new machines in place and from pictures, it SEEMS as if he is running strong

-he did make 5 folders, 3 for waiting customers and 2 for Blade show.  I’m not happy that mine is not done although he’s taking two to sell down there.

-he made a shitload of things to take to Blade

-he finally contacted me as I used my uh....”name” to enquire as to where my knife was.  I think I surprised him.  He said it needed to be assembled but everything is ready.  My knife has a black spanto blade with bronze bolsters.

-I don’t know how the request for funds worked out.  It is not mentioned anymore.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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The power of the Conn....hope he unfucks your blade soon brother. Would hate for you to have to use harsh language. 

 

 

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"I have the political sense of a wolverine and should not be considered a role model." - Doug Mitchell

Any updates on DJ's  woes?  I was leaning towards buying an American Kami, but hesitated when this thread came out. Then I started looking REAL hard at a Medford.

I like the looks of an AK a little more, and already own one.  It has proved to be a real workhorse, and has held up famously. The more I use it, the more I like it.      But, I am not going to jump into the middle of an unknown time frame to actually get one.    

 There is a knife shop here in the valley that has recently become a Medford dealer. (He told me he was literally waiting on his shipment, which was supposed to be there within days according to the shop's owner. I guess I don't really know if they ever came in, but a simple visit will confirm that.)  

Sure as shit,  I know what's going to happen........

yep........

I'll end up getting both.

 

Bill, thanks for the reminder.  Get the fucking Medford.

There was a glimmer of hope when he displayed 5 folders right before Blade.  Interestingly, 3 were for customers and 2 were to take to the show to be used to get more orders AND THEN SOLD.  So some motherfucker that just walks into Blade gets to buy a knife that a bunch of people have been waiting years for.   Like up to 5 years.

To drive me even more nuts, he posted a video of him working the actions on the folders, all 5 one right after another.  They “sounded” amazing.  The lock up was like bolt gun.  Of course I wouldn’t know in person.

Medford makes killer shit.  Really beefy shit.  Some of his folders have blades .25 “ thick.   The Praetorian Ti is his top of the line but he makes a lot of bomb proof blades.  Most importantly.....YOU CAN FUCKING GET ONE.  Amazing concept.  Paying for some thing then actually getting it!  Wow.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

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 Bump because....reasons.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Ah what the hell.  DJ went dark after Blade some three months ago.  Like inkwell in a buried box dark.

Being my impish and fun loving self I used my FB "account" to inquire as to what he is doing.  That brought out the beast in most....some with five....six....fucking SEVEN YEARS of waiting, all paid in full up front like me. 

Usually  a litany of defenders come out swinging but only one this time and he was overrun with a quickness.   But before he was shown the internet door, he claimed: he is depressed, he has family issues, he is learning CNC on his own and for the first time, he has a band.  Never heard that one but if he is on fucking tour instead of covered in steel particles, I'll be really ... no wait, I'm already angry.  I'm way beyond that now

DO ONE HERE DARE MAKE A PAID IN FULL ORDER WITH HIM.  YOU WILL GET THE FUCKING OF YOUR LIFE.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

One can learn the basics of CNC programming in 6 months at a  local community college. 

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Sorry to hear this Con. His rep on the knife forums (Bladeforums & USN) I frequent is done - members at both that have been burned. It would take a lot of work on his part to regain a buyer's trust at this point.

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I've been falling so long it's like gravity's gone & I'm just floating...

Conn,

Are you still planning on letting the Post Office have a go at him or just straight cutting sling?

 

I‘ve wanted a Model 819 Tsuno for a while but never ordered it.  I’m glad I didn’t now.

A Soldier without bullets is just a tourist!

Bill, Idaho posted:

Ok, enough with the arm-twisting——a trip to the knife shop tomorrow morning.    Medford it is.

Any idea how many “customers” got burned?

Bill,

    I am unsure of the amount of customers but there are quite a few.  All pretty much worse than my story.

    I mean think about this.  You show people waiting for folders a video of five of them that look great.  He opens each one.  They fly out and lock with a very satisfying thwack.  Fantastic.

    Then he packs some of them up, goes to Blade and fucking SELLS them to whomever walks up to the booth.  If that doesn't piss you off, I'm thinking you're in a coma.  And he tells everyone his intentions to do just that at Blade.  Now, months after the show, you go dark.  I know that there are some who can reach him and I know that people who have no where near the wait I or anybody else have get their knives in months.  Maybe they are some dudes not to fuck with who paid and are demanding their stuff in a not friendly way.  I dunno.  But what I do know is those dudes exist....I'm one of them.  No one does this to me. 

  I have already started the ball rolling with people who take care of issues like this and are very much interested in how many victims there are.  That's it about that for now.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Every time I read updates in this thread ....I just have to shake my damn head. How far has DJ Urbanovsky fallen.? Sheesh. My SHIIT bag is sitting next to me and the damn thing has been bombproof.  When it comes to his knives etc....you almost have to wonder if he needs Boker to take over the whole shebang to help a brotha out. Wow. 

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " -George Orwell Celer, Silens, Mortalitas "Swift, Silent, Deadly"

    Add me to the list of people DJ stole from. In 2011 I ordered a mean bean and a recurve totaling to a bit over $400. I sent him a few e-mails inquiring about my order. He sent me what he called a "proof of life" picture. It consisted of a bunch of unfinished blades laid out, and I was able to pick out a recurve in the shot.

    I'm pissed at myself for not taking more vigorous action in the matter. I guess I wasn't sure what to do. So, it's nice to see karma winding up for a huge kick to his nuts.

 

That's just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

 

Instead of learning to fight evil, this generation has learned that fighting is evil. Dennis Prager

 

"A terrible sight for a sober man."

                                Legend(1985)

Yet another update, this posted by DJ on Facefuck. 

He had a staff infection, machine issues and family problems.  He was welcomed back as a conquering hero by his supporters who apparently are just a glass of Koolaid short of Jim Jonesing.  It is truly bizarre.  Good news his that his trip to Lourdes means my folder should he here soon.  Yeah.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Is there a very delicate and sensitive way I can ask Con-dudewhat the status is/was on his knife procurement from DJ?   If someone knows of a way to ask our eminence  without him blowing a gasket-let me know. 

 

(I was at a LGS today and actually saw an American Kami on a table. It got me to wondering.)

Bill, Idaho posted:

Is there a very delicate and sensitive way I can ask Con-dudewhat the status is/was on his knife procurement from DJ?   If someone knows of a way to ask our eminence  without him blowing a gasket-let me know. 

 

(I was at a LGS today and actually saw an American Kami on a table. It got me to wondering.)

I have no gaskets left to blow concerning this topic.

He is now saying that he is full speed ahead and has showed a lot of new product on Facefuck.  This includes folders.  According to him, any ordered folder is in a various state of completion.  At this point it is white noise.  I WILL get my knife or my money, of that you can be sure but right now I have important things to do.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Counselor, 

Sorry to hear about this. It angers me to no end when guys do this. Completing stuff to sell while you have customers who have been waiting is absolute thievery.  Koster knives is the same, takes money up front, completely dark for years and selling knives all the while. 

As a guy who is trying to start selling knives, I've taken note of all of this and am planning accordingly. 

 

Not taking away from Consigliere's problems, but Dan Koster is actually worse. He was taking money without delivering knives for far longer. Sad thing is he makes a really nice knife. I've got a Scandi-Nessmuk from him that is outstanding. Went to order another knife and heard nothing for over a year. Then after contacting him I'm told it should be soon. Then dark again for several months. During that whole time I was seeing his knives pop up at various dealers websites. Finally said fuck it and watched him implode over the next year.

Hopefully you get your money instead of the knife Consingliere. If you're like me, the knife will feel "tainted" and you'll not get any pride of ownership out of it.

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I've been falling so long it's like gravity's gone & I'm just floating...

A stint in jail would do wonders for these mokes... Fuck sending more money or feeling sorry for them.

Know thy enemies, but be aware of thy friends...

 

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

Halfneck posted:

Not taking away from Consigliere's problems, but Dan Koster is actually worse. 

Hopefully you get your money instead of the knife Consingliere. If you're like me, the knife will feel "tainted" and you'll not get any pride of ownership out of it.

Yeah, agreed. I just didn't want to derail too much. 

I agree about the knife feeling tainted, I think I would feel the same. 

 

No worries about the other maker brothers.  They all deserve to be known to potential customers. 

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Ahh what the hell.  I'm in a mood already today.

Dateline:  Day 850:

Facefuck shows that his CNC, at least in pictures, is running.  Besides using electricity, I don't know what running actually means but it's running.  Multiple pics of completed folders yet no word on mine.  Seems also his father had to have surgery so there was a delay for him to take care of him.  Family first and all that.

His fan club is back and cheering wildly over his resurgence and sheer determination.  I sometimes think.....and not just in this matter....that THEY are the sane ones and I am the person who is spiraling into the depths of dementia.  It would make more sense at this time.

Investigation continues.......

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

Stupidity is not a skillset.

I AM GROOT.

 

 

 

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Running generally means “making chips” or eliminating all the metal from a blank that is not part of the final or near final configuration of the piece being made. 

Now there has been a time or two over the years where I have needed looking after post surgery, post stroke, etc. But it was not a 24/7 proposition. 

Many CNC machines have the ability to run “lights out” meaning no one in attendance of the machine.

Once a day  or so someone shows up and reloads blanks into whatever palletizing system you employ to keep the machine running lights out. 

This should never have happened. 

Mojo/Mark
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