I am looking at 7.62x39 AR's in an effort to replicate the loaner gun I used at Hogpocalypse II. I really liked the skeletonized gun I was running & I like the idea of running 7.62x39 because it's cheap for the most part & readily available. The closest approximation I've seen on the retail market is the "Russian Red Demon" by F-1 Firearms, however the price tag is $3000. More than I was planning to spend, however if that's the cost of getting the set up I want for Hogpocalypse III so be it. I've also heard good things about Bear Creek Arsenal's 7.62x39 AR Rifle, which is about 1/10th the cost & a more traditional AR appearance. Does anyone here have any first-hand knowledge about the quality of either of these two companies?
My experience with BCA is that it's basically hobby-grade, I haven't been impressed with anything that they make.
Good to know. I appreciate your input!
Maybe look at the bren2? It’s about 1600 and is essentially a x39 scar
I have a bud in the machine shop at work who bought a BCA rifle about a year ago. He has shot it one time. It wouldn’t print groups. It printed patterns. My boy can shoot. Former 82nd AB, if he’s to be believed. No reason not to believe him.
I told him not to buy it, “but it’s such a good bargain” he said. Yup $650 per outing.
If he aimed at the ground he’d get hits every time I suspect.
There aren't any Bren 2 Rifles for sale on GunBroker. I'm currently looking at Remington's 7400 & 750 offerings. Seems to be the most cost-effective semiautomatic. Im vacillating between .270, .308 & .30-06
I'll contribute what little I know.
I assembled a "cheap as I could" pistol, just for the hell of it.
It contains a BCA barrel, BCG, and upper.
Barrel: 11.5", 5.56 chamber. 1/8 twist. Gas port measured a huge .087". Surprisingly, was dimpled for the rear gas block set screw. Parkerising was good.
It is accurate enough for me. I have shot it out to 100 yds, and shot one five shot group, with a 75gr BTHP load of mine, measuring 1.8". Surprised me, frankly. More accurate with my 62gr FMJ staple load than with m193 (no surprise there).
I don't expect the barrel to stay that way as long as a higher quality barrel would. At current budget and schedule, it'll be a long long time before I have 4 or 5 thousand rnds through it.
BCG: key is tight, screws lightly staked (I restaked them, for good measure), interior not chrome lined.
Top of cam pin, the "square", was out of spec. Too wide. Some work with a file fixed that.
Ass end of carrier, where the firing pin "spool" resides: that area is not machined flat, is concave, which caused some "mushrooming" of that part of the pin..I have filed a radius around the edge of that spool, and mushrooming has ceased. Spare FP is on standby...
Extractor has O-ring, and is very tight against bolt.
Upper: nothing special, pretty ordinary, square forge mark (doesn't mean a whole lot), threads up front are good, mates well with the Aero Precision lower under it.
Hobby grade? I must agree. I'll probably replace the BCG before anything.
Running an H buffer in a KAK shockwave. Gun's a bit jumpy, but easily manageable.
Only 450ish rnds through it so far, but in various drills, slow and rapid fire, with various ammo (best 75 & 62gr I had to m193, and crappy Tulammo and Wolf), I have not seen it malfunction once.
It's a fun gun. Time and use will tell if it lasts. I'm happy with it, so far, for what it is.
Bear creek arsenal's facility got raided by INS and BP a few months back due to all their illegal laborers working in the factory, should tell you everything you need to know about tbe company and the quality of their products....
Yep. They've got legal issues. Illegal hiring practices make me wonder what other corners they cut.
Wow, had not heard about that. Now we know why their stuff is so cheap, right?
With the AR market flooded with so-so products, assemblies ,entire guns etc it just pays to stick with a known manufacturer who is above board in all ways. Confession time though: I made an error call with Sabre Defense thinking these guys were above board, doing things legally and guns were in spec. Also made a bad decision on Hodge Defense as I come to find out. Oh well live & learn...