Not sure this is a material failure like zylon or what.  Anyone have any information on how the vest failed, where the projectiles struck the vest, model, materials, etc?   If the projectile was a .40 cal and the vest was NIJ '06 certified, I have to wonder what conditions were present for the vest to fail.

http://wwwdotchicagotribune.co...-20160705-story.html

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I saw this today and forwarded  a couple articles to someone I hoped would have info; haven't heard back yet.

After SecondChance imploded in the Zylon aftermath, the entity and admin re-emerged as Armor Express. DOH!

This one ought to be interesting, PoliceOne had picked up on it this afternoon.  

(edited because I typed like was plowed)

I'll be interested to see any info on this as our whole department is issued AE vests. From the article I read it sounded like a hands-on fight so I wonder if there were contact shots?

I really hope that if this gets settled the findings aren't buried by a gag order.

Bill W posted:

 From the article I read it sounded like a hands-on fight so I wonder if there were contact shots?

The FBI protocal hasn't been discussed here in a while. It was as a result of the Zylon debacle and dissatisfaction with the NIJ process.

It includes contact shot testing (FBI Body Armor Test Protocal, v4, pg. 8, 3/15/12). 

Erick posted:
Bill W posted:

 From the article I read it sounded like a hands-on fight so I wonder if there were contact shots?

The FBI protocal hasn't been discussed here in a while. It was as a result of the Zylon debacle and dissatisfaction with the NIJ process.

It includes contact shot testing (FBI Body Armor Test Protocal, v4, pg. 8, 3/15/12). 

I was aware of the FBI Testing Protocol but I don't think most AE vests are tested against it (they only list NIJ.06 on the website and printed on our vests). Unless I'm wrong (which happens all the time) contact shots aren't part of NIJ.06 but are for the DEA and FBI testing.

Bill, you are correct. NIJ does not test for contact shots, which are pretty likely in the cop world. It was the real world failure of a Second Chance zylon vest on a contact shot, resulting in the injury to a Penn officer (Limbacher?) that popped the lid on the issue. At the test shoot I attended, that DocGKR hosted, in '03 I became real aware of the failures of certain materials, designs in re contact shots. 

For cop work, I will only wear soft armor that has passed the FBI test protocal. I'll see about bumping one of the zylon threads.

Erick posted:

Bill, you are correct. NIJ does not test for contact shots, which are pretty likely in the cop world. It was the real world failure of a Second Chance zylon vest on a contact shot, resulting in the ibjury to a Penn officer (Limbacher?) that popped the lid on the issue. At the test shoot I attended, that DocGKR hosted, in '03 I became real aware of the failures of certain materials, designs in re contact shots. 

For cop work, I will only wear soft armor that has passed the FBI test protocal. I'll see about bumping one of the zylon threads.

Yeah, I bought my own plates and carrier because the dept. bought polyethylene plates and carriers because they were the light without really understanding what they will and won't do. Now I really need to start thinking about buying my own soft armor for the same reason.

The company website says the vests are tested to NIJ standards, not the FBI tests.  If this was his issued vest and this was an authorized off-duty job, I'd name the agency too.  I'll bet that the specs used to purchase the vest could be flawed, in part due to purchasing authority ignorance. 

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Why would any agency exercising due diligence or any sane person purchase a vest from Armor Express--the company apparently founded by some of the same venal corporate executives who lied about Zylon and who had no moral issues previously selling defective armor to LE and mil while at the old Second Chance???

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