Recently came across this in my quest for a light plate that stops M855. 

 

http://armour-wear.com/

 

I watched the video on the homepage, waiting for all of the usual plate testing shenanigans (shooting plates that are hung from a clothesline so they can swing freely, PRETENDING THAT GREEN TIP DOES NOT EXIST). I really expected it, considering that the outfit sells bulletproof underwear. 

 

I was pretty surprised to see a plate that appeared to be properly braced being shot with (and appearing to stop) M855. 

 

Does anyone have further info about this company? At the price, I might buy one to shoot myself.

 

 

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There were a couple of divots, but there didn't appear to be any corresponding damage in the back of the plate. I'm assuming that they clay was moulded that way first. 

 

I've been corresponding with the owner, and I am VERY intrigued at this point. A couple of us may chip in and shoot one ourselves. 

Interesting company, but 8# level IV plates are nothing new.  Below $200 per plate is though.

 

I used to work for a company that was exploring the idea of buying a bunch of those recalled beveled edge plates around 2008-2009 that were recalled from the DoD.

 

They were considering relabeling and reselling to non-DoD markets. 

 

It would have been priced similarly.

 

'ARMOUR-WEAR' suggests to me European or Israeli roots.

 

I did especially like their t-shirt.

 

 

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High Com Security sells the 4SAS-7 in a 10x12 shooters cut for $149 a plate and weighs around 7 lbs. It's a Lvl 4 standalone. No SAPI sizes though.

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I just posted the following on m4 forum.  Figured I'd copy it here as well if interest.

 

If anyone wants to buy one of these armor wear plates and test them against 193/855 at 10ft or less, I'd be interested in contributing.  Anyone set up to do this?  If we can get 8 or so guys involved it will only be about 30$ per person.  Any interest?

So I watched the second video done by Yeager and it was interesting that 5.45 AP ammo apparently penetrated the Level 4 plate but not the 3+.

 

Despite the weight I'm still hard pressed to drop my ESAPI plates out of my active shooter vest simply because of their track record and HH6 watching our finances more closely.  I AM going to have to look at our gun seizures though and see if we are seeing 5.45 in any regularity.

Originally Posted by Post Car:

So I watched the second video done by Yeager and it was interesting that 5.45 AP ammo apparently penetrated the Level 4 plate but not the 3+.

 

Despite the weight I'm still hard pressed to drop my ESAPI plates out of my active shooter vest simply because of their track record and HH6 watching our finances more closely.  I AM going to have to look at our gun seizures though and see if we are seeing 5.45 in any regularity.

5.45 I am betting is RARE and 5.45 AP even rarer.  I think an off armor impact is more of a likelihood than 5.45 AP.

 

In managing hazard assessment, whenever you pick something up one handed you have a 1/1000 chance of dropping or spilling it.

 

There is always a chance, but that doesn't equate to likely.

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Originally Posted by jrmy_1:

I just posted the following on m4 forum.  Figured I'd copy it here as well if interest.

 

If anyone wants to buy one of these armor wear plates and test them against 193/855 at 10ft or less, I'd be interested in contributing.  Anyone set up to do this?  If we can get 8 or so guys involved it will only be about 30$ per person.  Any interest?

 

Testing isn't something that can just be done off the cuff. Also, if firm has had their L3+ plate tested as they say they have by a reputable lab, they've already gone through the hassle. Testing is science, and that involves a very specifically written procedure to ensure that the results can be replicated by someone else.

 

I know I've seen the testing certs for the L4 plate from these guys, but I don't recall seeing the L3+ certs. It may be worth pinging them to see if they'll provide those to you for sharing with the rest of us. I think a few of us have asked for those, but I don't know if anyone has seen them.

 

As for these guys being an OEM, and making stuff for other folks...that's a very thin line they are treading. There only so many facilities capable of creating the ceramic plates used in such armor-but there ARE firms that make JUST the plate (Coors, etc), and then these are finished by others for armor purposes. Further, it's very easy to get products from a true OEM (Tencate, BAE, Etc). Slap your own logo on it, along with a slight tweak, and then it becomes your own product.

 

Video testing...I'm always hesitant to trust what is seen on YouTube. Give me DATA, then let's talk.

 

In closing-let me leave you with this: Armor is a potentially life saving piece of equipment. Judge the information at hand as if it WILL be used to protect your life, and evaluate/purchase accordingly. (As in-"I'm going to buy this plate, wear it into a firefight, and WILL get hit by threat X Y or Z. As such, will it protect me from said threats? Why do I believe that it will?)

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Originally Posted by Post Car:

So I watched the second video done by Yeager and it was interesting that 5.45 AP ammo apparently penetrated the Level 4 plate but not the 3+.

 

Despite the weight I'm still hard pressed to drop my ESAPI plates out of my active shooter vest simply because of their track record and HH6 watching our finances more closely.  I AM going to have to look at our gun seizures though and see if we are seeing 5.45 in any regularity.

5.45 I am betting is RARE and 5.45 AP even rarer.  I think an off armor impact is more of a likelihood than 5.45 AP.

 

In managing hazard assessment, whenever you pick something up one handed you have a 1/1000 chance of dropping or spilling it.

 

There is always a chance, but that doesn't equate to likely.

Possibility vs probability.  I've never heard of 5.45 in my area, but 30 caliber hunting family is common so I'd be comfortable with this.  I'm just curious on some first hand feedback on these plates but the prices seems to be in my ballpark.

Originally Posted by jrmy_1:

Thanks Adam.  Great info.  I'll get a hold of them and see if I can get their cert.  I'm still more interested in standard sapi dimensions so not sure on these even if they are gtg.

Apparently, the SAPI sizes are coming this year. If you're interested, definitely reach out to them and let you know that you are holding out for larger sizes.

I reached out again to the Armour Wear team to ask about testing on their Lvl III+ plates. They responded with data on their Lvl IV armor, but not the Lvl III+'s.

 

Until I see data on the Lvl III+ plates, I'd be a little hesitant to use them going into harm's way. Take that for what you will. Perhaps I'm just being overly cranky, and reading far too much into this.

I talked with Chris from Armour-wear this morning briefly about the 3+ plates.  He said they receive the ceramic and the PE and make their plates from this material.  He also said that carbon nanotube layers are used in pretty much all their plates in thin layers to provide strength while being light (not sure on the details).  I asked about SAPI sizes and he said that they are looking at revamping the 3+ plates completely and adding additional sizes.  He wasn't sure on the sizes so I suggested the SAPI sizes but didn't go into detail with him.  He said he would look for certs but they weren't NIJ certified, rather sent to a third party testing facility...he said he would try to dig them up and email a copy to me.  He said they are pretty new so they are still trying to figure everything out.  He also said that the plates would be completely different so the cert would no longer apply.  He said they are going to SHOT show but won't have a booth at the show since they waited too long but they will have a booth set up at the hotel they'll be staying at and bringing folks back to the hotel to give them a presentation on their equipment.  He also mentioned updating the website and I believe he was saying the web would contain a link to their cert. Supposedly coming out after SHOT show, maybe end of Feb. he was suggesting.  Could be promising, we'll see.

 

Anyone going to SHOT show?  Be cool to get some first hand reviews as well as a summary of their presentation and future plans.  They might need some direction on SAPI sizes, I briefly discussed a larger plate and his first comment was 12x14 which I told him he should look into following standard SAPI sizes but didn't go into detail as what they were and also didn't discuss how most carriers are sized.  He may not be the person directly involved in dimensions, though, since I called and selected sales in the options.  If I receive an email from him I will reply with additional sizing information though.  Probably also chat about what rounds will be defeated and certified against for their new 3+ plates.

I see this is a little bit of an old thread, but I am considering a purchase of the Level 3+ plates from Armour Wear.  The same plates are also available from Bulletproofme.com. I received copies of the independent test sheets for the 3+ plates (PM if you want me to send them or contact the company).  They are not NIJ certified, but they appear to be compliant based on the independent testing. 

Does anyone have any more experience or insight on these plates? I am still somewhat hesitant giving the price difference between these plates and other comparable plates. Thanks!

 

 

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Is the price worth your life when the bullets are flying?

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JW917,

We have 6 of those 3+ ceramic/PE plate sets at my PD. 10x12 SC, 10x12 MC, M SAPI, 2 L SAPI sets, and XL SAPI set. I may be slightly off but from what I have gathered, they have a 3M DI-NOC vinyl wrap skin over what apoers to be a single layer of Kevlar spall wrap, Aluminum Oxide ceramic breaker plate, imported from Italy, and a composite backer bonded behind that composed of UHMWPE from DSM or Honeywell, then Kevlar, and then a foam rear pad for comfort and back face mitigation. They don't have face or edge padding for resistance to bumps, but that is why they are so thin and why they are armored to the edges instead of just padding on the edges. The aluminum oxide is more resistant to small bumps creating or expanding small cracks than silicon carbide ceramics, but heavier and less hard/tough so it breaks up a bit more on bullet strikes. The Kevlar rear is a cost cutting measure. The type of layering and forming and skinning they do creates excess matrial at the edges, a few small wrap creases, and looks a little less professional than the expensive plates.

Do I wish they were USA made silicon carbide, 100% HB212, and skinned with Cordura that was as perfectly trimmed as a custom tailored suit? Sure, but then they would cost twice as much. The aluminum oxide, UHMWPE, Kevlar combination is a common price/performance construction in 3+ plate construction, even with expensive brands 50% higher in price. The bonding they do is a combo vacuum, pressure vessel process and IMO not perfect, but it stops the rated threats with less than 44mm back face.  AW sells Hoplite shoulder plates under liscense with the same Italian AlumOxide ceramic/UHMWPE/Kevlar/foam type layering with DI-NOC wrap construction  (while Hoplite ceramic/PE shoulder plates purchased direct are 100% HB212/UHMWPE  behind the Italian ceramic, pressed by  LTC and skinned in Cordura) but the AW shoulder plates are less expensive than the direct Hoplite. AW also sells side plates 6x8 of identical layer type construction. The side and shoulder plates, from my research, seem like they stop the rated threats but eventually will fail backface on .308 on multihit. The Hoplite shoulders can withstand 6 rounds and hold up to under 44mm backface, to give an idea of what pure HB212 will do to strengthen a plate. The  shoulder plates (not sure about side plates) have thinner ceramic layer than the SAPI/torso plates. The SAPI plates are true to size, light, and comfortable. They are a budget plate and not NIJ rated, but stop the rated threats we were most concerned with. They will stop M855, M193, and 308 for 6 rounds. They will stop the first two rounds of .308 with under 44mm backface. Past that who knows. Essentially your trade off is backface deformation and over speed/weight resistance (such as long action hunting rifle resistance) vs plates that use pure HB212 and/or Silicon Carbide, but they cost MUCH less. You could add an extra mm or two of SiC and cut the backer thickness as much if it was pure HB212 Dyneema and have a plate to handle larger 30-06 to 300 Win Mag power range threats in the same thickness and weight envelope, but that is MUCH more expensive and who knows what the backface would be like for those threats. For our uses, .308 and under threats, even with steel penetrators or mild steel cores, they are the level of protection we need and the AW plates fit our budget. At under an inch, they are not too thick used stand alone. 

Hope that gives some insight and helps your decision.

Oh to correct the above, AFAIK at the time of this post, AW is NOT yet selling ceramic front shoulder plates, but UHMWPE over Kevlar. The Hoplite are pure UHWMPE, fronted with HB212 on the higher end Hoplite V1 and Spectra/lower grade UHMWPE  on the V2. Ceramic over HB212 on V3.

DEV L,

Thanks for the very detailed reply about the plate construction! The information seems consistent with other sources. Thank you!

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Finally bit on a set of these. Great sale price on XL plates right now. I confirmed that the sale is not due to a new model about to release. They are apparently overstocked on size XL. As Doc GKR has long maintained, if you are 6' or taller, you need the additional height coverage for the aortic arch.

And one of DevL's wishes has come true. They are now, indeed, skinned with 1000D Cordura. And tailored pretty damn nicely. 

Very light, especially for an XL plate. And not too thick, either. Thinking of grabbing a third one for some non-scientific shoot testing.

I recently obtained a set of their Level III+ poly/ceramic plates and I am happy with them. They replaced a Tactical Armor Products 'Gamma Plus' Level III (multi curve) and a Ceramic Protection Corp Level III (single curve) poly plate. I went with these plates for the following reasons:

1) The old plates were 10x12 and the new plates were XL (SAPI) size. I am  6'2" and XL plates provide better coverage (RE:  the excellent diagram posted by panzerr some time ago).

2) The old plates were level III, and the new ones are III+.

 

It appears that ArmourWear has given up the ghost. 

The US website has vanished. The Facebook page still exists, but has been radio silence since November of 2017. There are posts stating that the company went bankrupt. While not confirmed, this is certainly likely.

The Asian sales variant of the website is still up at:
http://armourwearasia.com 

Still, it appears to be that the web hosting was paid in advance--same company, and it appears to be gone. 

Too bad. I remain impressed with the fit/finish of the "3+" plates I got from them. 

 

Sure as heck don’t send them money.

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I just received a letter from mrthlaw.com stating armour wear filed for bankruptcy and that records show I owe them $$ for goods. Anyone receive a similar letter?

I received a similar letter.  Claiming I owe like $29 without providing any date of purchase or even what was purchased.  Not getting anything from me.

FirstClassEndeavors posted:

I just received a letter from mrthlaw.com stating armour wear filed for bankruptcy and that records show I owe them $$ for goods. Anyone receive a similar letter?

I got one also. Called law firm to ask wtf they are talking  about .they took my number, no call back.

 

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