Recently came across this in my quest for a light plate that stops M855. 

 

http://armour-wear.com/

 

I watched the video on the homepage, waiting for all of the usual plate testing shenanigans (shooting plates that are hung from a clothesline so they can swing freely, PRETENDING THAT GREEN TIP DOES NOT EXIST). I really expected it, considering that the outfit sells bulletproof underwear. 

 

I was pretty surprised to see a plate that appeared to be properly braced being shot with (and appearing to stop) M855. 

 

Does anyone have further info about this company? At the price, I might buy one to shoot myself.

 

 

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There were a couple of divots, but there didn't appear to be any corresponding damage in the back of the plate. I'm assuming that they clay was moulded that way first. 

 

I've been corresponding with the owner, and I am VERY intrigued at this point. A couple of us may chip in and shoot one ourselves. 

Interesting company, but 8# level IV plates are nothing new.  Below $200 per plate is though.

 

I used to work for a company that was exploring the idea of buying a bunch of those recalled beveled edge plates around 2008-2009 that were recalled from the DoD.

 

They were considering relabeling and reselling to non-DoD markets. 

 

It would have been priced similarly.

 

'ARMOUR-WEAR' suggests to me European or Israeli roots.

 

I did especially like their t-shirt.

 

 

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High Com Security sells the 4SAS-7 in a 10x12 shooters cut for $149 a plate and weighs around 7 lbs. It's a Lvl 4 standalone. No SAPI sizes though.

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I just posted the following on m4 forum.  Figured I'd copy it here as well if interest.

 

If anyone wants to buy one of these armor wear plates and test them against 193/855 at 10ft or less, I'd be interested in contributing.  Anyone set up to do this?  If we can get 8 or so guys involved it will only be about 30$ per person.  Any interest?

So I watched the second video done by Yeager and it was interesting that 5.45 AP ammo apparently penetrated the Level 4 plate but not the 3+.

 

Despite the weight I'm still hard pressed to drop my ESAPI plates out of my active shooter vest simply because of their track record and HH6 watching our finances more closely.  I AM going to have to look at our gun seizures though and see if we are seeing 5.45 in any regularity.

Originally Posted by Post Car:

So I watched the second video done by Yeager and it was interesting that 5.45 AP ammo apparently penetrated the Level 4 plate but not the 3+.

 

Despite the weight I'm still hard pressed to drop my ESAPI plates out of my active shooter vest simply because of their track record and HH6 watching our finances more closely.  I AM going to have to look at our gun seizures though and see if we are seeing 5.45 in any regularity.

5.45 I am betting is RARE and 5.45 AP even rarer.  I think an off armor impact is more of a likelihood than 5.45 AP.

 

In managing hazard assessment, whenever you pick something up one handed you have a 1/1000 chance of dropping or spilling it.

 

There is always a chance, but that doesn't equate to likely.

~Will

 




 

 

   Anybody can blow something up, but to disarm anothers bomb, this is when talent, skill, bravery & LUCK will all determine "Success or Failure".  

 

Location: UTAH              Joined: 2003

Originally Posted by jrmy_1:

I just posted the following on m4 forum.  Figured I'd copy it here as well if interest.

 

If anyone wants to buy one of these armor wear plates and test them against 193/855 at 10ft or less, I'd be interested in contributing.  Anyone set up to do this?  If we can get 8 or so guys involved it will only be about 30$ per person.  Any interest?

 

Testing isn't something that can just be done off the cuff. Also, if firm has had their L3+ plate tested as they say they have by a reputable lab, they've already gone through the hassle. Testing is science, and that involves a very specifically written procedure to ensure that the results can be replicated by someone else.

 

I know I've seen the testing certs for the L4 plate from these guys, but I don't recall seeing the L3+ certs. It may be worth pinging them to see if they'll provide those to you for sharing with the rest of us. I think a few of us have asked for those, but I don't know if anyone has seen them.

 

As for these guys being an OEM, and making stuff for other folks...that's a very thin line they are treading. There only so many facilities capable of creating the ceramic plates used in such armor-but there ARE firms that make JUST the plate (Coors, etc), and then these are finished by others for armor purposes. Further, it's very easy to get products from a true OEM (Tencate, BAE, Etc). Slap your own logo on it, along with a slight tweak, and then it becomes your own product.

 

Video testing...I'm always hesitant to trust what is seen on YouTube. Give me DATA, then let's talk.

 

In closing-let me leave you with this: Armor is a potentially life saving piece of equipment. Judge the information at hand as if it WILL be used to protect your life, and evaluate/purchase accordingly. (As in-"I'm going to buy this plate, wear it into a firefight, and WILL get hit by threat X Y or Z. As such, will it protect me from said threats? Why do I believe that it will?)

Originally Posted by Wild_Willie:
Originally Posted by Post Car:

So I watched the second video done by Yeager and it was interesting that 5.45 AP ammo apparently penetrated the Level 4 plate but not the 3+.

 

Despite the weight I'm still hard pressed to drop my ESAPI plates out of my active shooter vest simply because of their track record and HH6 watching our finances more closely.  I AM going to have to look at our gun seizures though and see if we are seeing 5.45 in any regularity.

5.45 I am betting is RARE and 5.45 AP even rarer.  I think an off armor impact is more of a likelihood than 5.45 AP.

 

In managing hazard assessment, whenever you pick something up one handed you have a 1/1000 chance of dropping or spilling it.

 

There is always a chance, but that doesn't equate to likely.

Possibility vs probability.  I've never heard of 5.45 in my area, but 30 caliber hunting family is common so I'd be comfortable with this.  I'm just curious on some first hand feedback on these plates but the prices seems to be in my ballpark.

Originally Posted by jrmy_1:

Thanks Adam.  Great info.  I'll get a hold of them and see if I can get their cert.  I'm still more interested in standard sapi dimensions so not sure on these even if they are gtg.

Apparently, the SAPI sizes are coming this year. If you're interested, definitely reach out to them and let you know that you are holding out for larger sizes.

I reached out again to the Armour Wear team to ask about testing on their Lvl III+ plates. They responded with data on their Lvl IV armor, but not the Lvl III+'s.

 

Until I see data on the Lvl III+ plates, I'd be a little hesitant to use them going into harm's way. Take that for what you will. Perhaps I'm just being overly cranky, and reading far too much into this.

I talked with Chris from Armour-wear this morning briefly about the 3+ plates.  He said they receive the ceramic and the PE and make their plates from this material.  He also said that carbon nanotube layers are used in pretty much all their plates in thin layers to provide strength while being light (not sure on the details).  I asked about SAPI sizes and he said that they are looking at revamping the 3+ plates completely and adding additional sizes.  He wasn't sure on the sizes so I suggested the SAPI sizes but didn't go into detail with him.  He said he would look for certs but they weren't NIJ certified, rather sent to a third party testing facility...he said he would try to dig them up and email a copy to me.  He said they are pretty new so they are still trying to figure everything out.  He also said that the plates would be completely different so the cert would no longer apply.  He said they are going to SHOT show but won't have a booth at the show since they waited too long but they will have a booth set up at the hotel they'll be staying at and bringing folks back to the hotel to give them a presentation on their equipment.  He also mentioned updating the website and I believe he was saying the web would contain a link to their cert. Supposedly coming out after SHOT show, maybe end of Feb. he was suggesting.  Could be promising, we'll see.

 

Anyone going to SHOT show?  Be cool to get some first hand reviews as well as a summary of their presentation and future plans.  They might need some direction on SAPI sizes, I briefly discussed a larger plate and his first comment was 12x14 which I told him he should look into following standard SAPI sizes but didn't go into detail as what they were and also didn't discuss how most carriers are sized.  He may not be the person directly involved in dimensions, though, since I called and selected sales in the options.  If I receive an email from him I will reply with additional sizing information though.  Probably also chat about what rounds will be defeated and certified against for their new 3+ plates.

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