Beretta 1301

Only the Benelli seemed to have a taste for my fingers, the Beretta hasn't been a problem though opened up is better (who opened up your gun?).  I'd rather keep the barrel as is on the off chance I ever go for birds of the clay or feathered variety again - I'm just hoping to find a cheap used barrel.  I'd also like to see that Remington pattern tang as a shorter stock would be nice - though I don't mind the weight since it's not like I'm patrolling with the gun or anything.
 
Originally Posted by Huck:

Simcha, I've been running a 391 for about two years as a 3 gun shotgun. It loads easy with an opened up loading port, and the barrel can be shortened and chokes reinstalled if you're into that sort of thing. Don't bother with the spare barrel, for what they cost you can just buy a second gun... Nordic components makes charging handles and extended tubes for them as well. the oem stock is stupid long for run and gun stuff, but the tungsten rod in it is for weight and can be discarded. Mine is wearing a magpul SGA stock (had a machinist make a remington pattern tang that threads into where the tungsten filled rod used to be. It's a hackjob, but an amazingly shootable gun. 

 

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Just to keep the thread going - here is my versamax.

 

 

Burris dot sight on it.  Actually kinda like it.  Of course, can't use it in 3-gun - but fun to play with.  

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Heck my first thought was "looks an awful lot like my buddy's SLP...".  I'd definitely like to know the gouge on that pairing.  Similar price, SLP comes with a higher capacity (7+1 I think).  Look pretty similar - surely someone here has experience with both.

Well the 1301 Tactical just digested 50 rounds of the previously problematic cheap Winchester white box 7 1/2 shot light target loads at 1145 fps without any issues, along with 25 rounds of buckshot and 25 rounds of slugs.  Besides the Brenneke's, it really likes the S&B 1 oz slugs.

Gary if you've been over this elsewhere, then no need to answer, but what are your thoughts on modern saboted projectiles (noticeably absent from your review)?  I've seen some of these things (with an improved modified choke barrel) shoot cloverleafs at 50 yards and around 1-2MOA at 100 yards from a pretty wide range of hardware over the last few years.  Standard 1oz slugs at 100 yards are... problematic from my experience.  Most guns I've seen won't do much better than 3-4" at 50 yards with them, but there is the possiblity of a lot of shooter error in the sampling I see yearly.

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IMHO, most sabot slugs are designed for lung shots on deer, they deep hollow points and tend to open fast limiting penetration.

Haven't tested many against autos or cover but they don't work very well against tougher critters than deer.

One of our guys tried one on a black bear, back up used a Brenneke which put the animal down.

Tried one (Barnes) on an angle shot on windshield glass and it skipped, Brenneke worked fine...high angle,

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Originally Posted by kaltesherz:

What are the improvements over the Benelli S90's? I always thought Beretta shotguns were just more affordable S90's (I think Beretta owns Benelli).

The 1301 does use cost-cutting measures over the S90's, but it remains to be seen if these are of any detriment. Thus-far, noone has had issue of which I have found tale of.

Originally Posted by Smicha6551:
 I'm surprised it took Beretta this long to come out with something like this - the 391 Xtrema I own is the first shotgun that I can shoot with heavy loads and not be instantly sore (many 3" loads at ducks) but would work perfectly with Winchester light AA shells for trap (well cycle fine anyway, since it's not a trap gun and I'm not that good a shot).  For some reason they never came out with a barrel shorter than 24" for the Xtrema - perhaps it's an import issue.  I can't seem to find a spare barrel to have cut down to 18-20" so a 1301 might be in my future.
 
As for the Benelli, while the two (12 and a 20 ga) I owned were reliable I don't enjoy being beaten up.  Also it likes to grab fingers while being loaded.  It wasn't the worst gun I've ever owned but then I've owned things like a Streetsweeper and a Davis P-32 so...
 
Originally Posted by Pat _Rogers:

We first saw the 1301 at Alliance when Chappy hade Berretta out there  for one of the multiple vids they have done there.
Fresca shot it and loved it (He did a SWAT story on it).

I've had it for a while, but circumstance have kept me from shootimg it as much as I would like.

In the day i had a benelli, and it was the worst gun I have ever owned.
The 1301 seems to be the answer at this time.

 

Actually, this is old news that has been around since 2010. I'm surprised it took people this long to notice and try it out...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHQIEKrTpSk

Originally Posted by BKennedy:
I've been considering the Tactical for bear medicine (defensive) on a camping trip to Colorado later this year. I was torn between this and a Marlin Guide gun in 45-70 until I recently got the Beretta in my hands. I'm not a big shotgun guy but I was shocked at how light it is, makes me wonder how fast follow up shots would be using 3" Brennakes.


Must confess I've had a old 45/70 guide gun in the safe collecting dust for many years...always took a shotgun when up camping/wheeling in Colorado & here in Wyoming...just never got around to getting comfy with the guide gun.

 

In the last few weeks I've sold a Marlin 500A & then went to Cabela's to see about trading/selling the Guide Gun & a 11/87 that I've never shot...

 

Long story short...came home with a Beretta 1301 Tactical, HH6 was very impressed with the weight, how it handled & pointed and I also really liked her......so we jumped on the bandwagon  

 

Now to hit the range with her & get a mag tube extension...

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Thanks, Doc.  I've always thought of the saboted slugs (which are really more like bullets than traditional slugs) to be an answer to regulations limiting hunting with rifles in certain areas, where people did not want to give up the precision of the rifle and really don't need the power of a slug.  I have been impressed with that accuracy, however.

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Well I picked mine up yesterday and the rail is made of polymer. I called Beretta about it and was told that they've never made polymer rails for this gun. Anyone's else have a rail like this? And most importantly, is it an issue?

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I shot a 3-gun match last weekend and a couple of guys on my squad were running 1301 Competition Models.  I was impressed.

 

There's a decent review of the 1301 Competition Model here:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2qo32_yYho

 

 

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Originally Posted by BKennedy:
Well I picked mine up yesterday and the rail is made of polymer. I called Beretta about it and was told that they've never made polymer rails for this gun. Anyone's else have a rail like this? And most importantly, is it an issue?

That's what I have always heard from the dealer that I asked about them. Also, some part of the base of the rear sight, from what I understand.

Originally Posted by WS6:

       
Originally Posted by BKennedy:
Well I picked mine up yesterday and the rail is made of polymer. I called Beretta about it and was told that they've never made polymer rails for this gun. Anyone's else have a rail like this? And most importantly, is it an issue?

That's what I have always heard from the dealer that I asked about them. Also, some part of the base of the rear sight, from what I understand.


       


Yep, rear sight housing is plastic but the aperture is steel (on mine at least).

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I shot a Beretta 1301 Tactical and a Versamax last Monday at a 3 Gun match.  I liked the 1301 Tactical, but would want a Competition model to better absorb the recoil.  The Versamax was nice, but the Beretta was smoother.

 

 

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Doc,

 

Looking at your initial pics, you have a rail for your T-1s on the receiver of both of your "Comp" models, but I noticed in pictures that the "Comp" models do not have rails installed. 

 

I did, however, notice what appeared to be several plugs on the top of the receiver in various pictures.  Are these plugs for threaded holes which can be used for installing a rail, and if so, does Beretta offer an add-on rail directly?  Thanks in advance.

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Certainly not the Doc but yes, Beretta does offer the rail for the top.

 

Oh, and Cabelas thanks all you you here, since they now have one less 1301 Tactical.  It's nice to see that it comes with a stock not designed for people 6'3" and arms to match.

 

Other than using a rail on a magazine extension, is there any other decent way to mount a light?  It just seems that putting the light there without a pressure switch would take really long arms, though I haven't tried it yet.

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Thank you, gentlemen.  Looks like the Comp might be a better starting point then, possibly with a cut down barrel if I want to go shorter.

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Doc, I think you started a craze.

 

I had a chance to examine and shoulder the Beretta 1301 18" tactical version this past weekend.  I love it: lightweight, compact, great sights, and large controls.

 

I am writing a letter to Santa asking for one.  Lately my wife thinks I'm an asshole so my odds of getting one are better if I rely on Saint Nick.

 

I love social shotguns and feel they still have a useful role in close quarters self-defense. Ned Christiansen built a custom Winchester Model 1897 riot gun for me that just warms my soul....plus it can give a modern day FN, Remington or Benelli a run for its money.

 

The Beretta 1301 will (hopefully) reside next to that John Moses Browning classic.

Anyone mount a small rail to the forearm? I like the factory forearm and the 1301's lightweight but it needs a light and a sling. I see that lancer is making a mag extension now. I am thinking of a BRiley two shot mag extension combined with a Haley thorntail to get the surefire mounted farther back. I see tacstar made a side saddle for the 1201. Does it fit on the 1301?


 

 Mesa Tactical makes a receiver mounted shell holder.  I've heard good things about it but have never had one in hand.  I don't know if anyone makes a rail for the forend (though with a short rail section, some epoxy and two screws you could rig one yourself) but there is a mag clamp with a short rail section available from Nordic Components.  The 1201 and the 1301 are totally different so it would be dumb luck if the side saddle for one fits the other.

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There's this light mount as well.  No experience with it personally.

 

http://www.berettausa.com/en-u...-for-shotgun/zsm001/

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I've had a 1301 Tactical for almost a year now. As everyone else has said, it shoots soft, digests any ammo I put in it, and handles really well. It has been said before that the 1301 is a shotgun "carbine," and I think it's a perfect description. I've had two Benelli M2s, a Supernova and multiple 870s. The 1301 is hands down the best tactical shotgun of them all. The first time I shot it I could tell a noticeably softer recoil impulse. I've shot full power (1600 fps) 1oz slugs vs reduced recoil (1200 fps) slugs and couldn't tell a difference. Unlike Doc's results, I've had good luck with Ranger 1oz slugs, with groups less than 3" at 50 yards (I'm lucky because that's our issued load). I've had similar results with Remington and Federal slugs. The last M2 tactical I owned was sold off because it wouldn't group Ranger slugs any better that 8-10" at 50, and couldn't keep them on the silhouette at 100.
I've added a +1 Nordic extension (soon to be the Nordic 1301 specific +2 tube), and an IWC 1" light mount at 10 o'clock with a 2 cell Fury in it. It's an old version that would bolt directly to a smooth AR rail. I used 2 screws directly threaded into the plastic, as well as epoxy. After a few hundred rounds, the epoxy has separated from the plastic for the first 1/4" of the mount. This is due to the flexing of the plastic near the gas vents next to the barrel. However, it has not separated any further with continued shooting.

My 1301 came with the plastic rail on the receiver. Right now I have an H1 in a Larue low mount on it. But the plastic is being deformed by the mount, and I'm certain that the zero retention is compromised. A real aluminum rail is required, and Beretta should be ashamed that they put an OPTIC rail made of plastic on this gun. Anything bigger than an RMR is going to destroy the plastic rail in short order. One decent whack on my car door frame, and the Aimpoint and shotgun will part ways (at least the Iron sights are very useful!). The worst part is they don't even offer a real replacement. The sell an aluminum rail for the 1301 comp, but not the tactical. The only option I can find is the Mesa Tactical rail with side saddle. I don't want the side saddle since I use Velcro shotgun cards on my receiver. I have one on order anyway, but may end up leaving just the rail, and removing the side saddle part with a dremel. I'll see what happens. Has anyone else found an option for an aluminum rail? Beretta support doesn't even know what they're putting on the gun, and they definitely won't/can't sell you the aluminum rail that came on the early guns.

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Botach has the 1301 on sale for $770 last I checked. 

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I got to run a pair of these after a LE carbine match we put on today and was very impressed. There was a 24" with a +5 Nordic extension and a 21" with no extention. Both ran fast and the 3" difference made the 21" feel really small and handy. I blazed 11 shells out of the 24" as fast as I could go and the gun out ran me...it cycles fast!!!

Doc, on your 21" is it a +3 or +4 extention?

I want one! Just need to decide on the 21" or 24". It'll be mainly a "game" gun so more in the tube is better but if it's only a 1 shell difference I'll go with the shorter one. The weight difference was negligible and the recoil was many a hair less on the 24" but the extended tube might have made a difference.

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This shotgun makes me have organisms in my underoos!

 

Botach has been scary in the past in regards to customer service, and well, with just plain service too. When I ordered on this morning I got an email from an actual human being at the other end and she was switched on and moved at light speed handling my order and FFL info. If they ship today I will be even more impressed. 

 

I've been clearing houses with a 870 Marine Magnum for a few years now. Flight control 00 buck 9 pellet. Due to my rural area I sometimes have to clear residences by myself. Something about having a shotgun with the capability of 1 shot drops and low risk for over penetration makes me feel more secure. 

 

Handling the 1301 in store left me with favorable impressions. Not too keen on the plastic sights, but the light weight, great sight picture with the ghost ring sights, reasonable cost, and the ability to do non cumbersome buckshot-to-slug changeovers has my interest peaked.  Can't wait to get in on the range and compare with the flight control ammo. 

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Looking hard at the Beretta 1301 deal from Botach as well.

I have had bad deals with them in the past, and swore them off. I hadn't bought anything from them in 7-8 years. I heard they got their act together and recently decided to give them another shot. Over the last 3 months I have made a few purchases that worked out perfectly and gotten some pretty good deals - (Pelican 1700 case w/foam for ~$150 & a Surefire Furious Scout for ~$230).

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Slight necropost, but has anyone been able to shoot the 1301 Tactical LE as seen in the Beretta 2015 catalog? +2 in the tube from the factory, ability to mount a rail and a pistol grip buttstock.  I normally care very little for shotguns, but as much as the folks here seem to like the 1301, and this model having the features I'd put on myself, I am now interested.

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