Beretta PX 4 Custom Carry Langdon Tactical/Robar

A couple weeks ago I transitioned to this pistol for my daily carry.  I am very impressed so far.  I am doing well in all my normal shooting drills, and I taught for three days at the A Girl And A Gun National Conference using it exclusively for demo shoots.  These were all done on demand cold demo's for students prior to them shooting drills.  The pistol ran flawlessly, even though it was new.  I was using combinations of Super Vel's Hush Puppy training round (which is very soft shooting and more so in the Beretta), and Remington 115 gr. Ball.  HST carry loads also shot well.  

For carry, I am using these (I have two in hand, and two being custom built at Robar) as dedicated AIWB guns, and in this role, I could not be happier.  They carry a little bigger  than the HK P2000SK LEM guns I was using for this role, but I get five more rounds without much difference.  They have my current requirement of a long movement trigger and external hammer for carrying AIWB.  The DA/SA triggers are outstanding and very shootable.

Overall.....very much worth a look.  Pictured is my NP3 coated slide and a second gun with the factory grey Cerakote finished slide.

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2 questions: what was the range on the target and what is that sexy knife?

  I have been eyeing the px4s for a bit but I'm having a hard time finding something that is significantly better than a simple g26.     That's a good looking gun though.  

Please forgive my knife ignorance , but what blade is that? I think I want one. 

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dmaxd03 posted:

2 questions: what was the range on the target and what is that sexy knife?

  I have been eyeing the px4s for a bit but I'm having a hard time finding something that is significantly better than a simple g26.     That's a good looking gun though.  

The target was a Hackathorn Test I shot cold the morning of the second day I owned the gun.  Ten rounds, Ten Yards, Ten Seconds.  Shooting a 99 Test on a new pistol with an action different than what I had been shooting in years was impressive to me.  Shot several Tests, Vickers 300 and other drills while teaching with good results.  

One thing about this gun that is a huge appeal to me, and should be a significant plus for me as well as many women, and younger shooters is how easy the slide is to retract, and how soft the gun shoots.  I am thinking it is due to the rotary barrel.  I have steadily worsening severe arthritis in my hands.  This gun is very easy for me to work manipulations on and to shoot with no pain.  It also shoots very flat, especially for a compact.

The knife....that is a HiTS Gamboa made by Joe Watson.  It is one of two very special ones Joe did for Wayne Dobbs and I after I collaborated with Joe on the design.  It has proven to be an outstanding knife that I am very happy with.  Like the PX4CC, big performance, in a very efficient sized package.

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Dagga Boy posted

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One thing about this gun that is a huge appeal to me, and should be a significant plus for me as well as many women, and younger shooters is how easy the slide is to retract, and how soft the gun shoots.  I am thinking it is due to the rotary barrel.  I have steadily worsening severe arthritis in my hands.  This gun is very easy for me to work manipulations on and to shoot with no pain.  It also shoots very flat, especially for a compact.

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Arggh!  I will try not to be swayed by your logic and facts.  I'll keep taking aspirin for my hands, and repeating "The Glocks are paid for, the Glocks are paid for..."

Will you allow us commoners to look at them on the 20th?

I begin to see your point on long movement trigger for LE. The other day we did FOF and responding to a simulated active shooter I had a guy pop out on me unexpectedly and despite 20 years on Glocks conditioning me to keep my finger on the frame i flinched and put a round in the "surprise " friendly......

 

This did not make him like me much.

 

Standard 5lb trigger.

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Consigliere posted:

You know when you leave, the HK tattoo belongs to the gang. We're coming to get it.........

Trust me, I still bleed HK Kool Aid red.  The VP9 is still my primary training and shooting gun.  I also have several Colt's sitting at MARS Armament in line, and picking up a vintage revolver tomorrow, so nothing has really changed. With that said, I realized that the PX 4CC perfectly fits a specific need at this time in my life .  Mission Drives the gear train.....even if it is a bit weird, as I have never really been a Beretta guy at all.  What can I say, it's been a weird year.

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That first one with the stippled gripframe really looks nice. I admit I am at least 10% turned off by these in the case from the slightly shitty (cheap) looking grip checkering and grooves. This is pretty sexy though. 

I was thinking just the other day how cool the tip-up .380 Berettas were for some cases like age and infirmity, and lamenting how there's no useful-caliber version. Knowing this is low recoil spring force, and low recoil is a great point for keep in mind for those needs, or maybe me if I don't get my shoulder shit worked out.  

Now, if everyone could stop pointing out other guns we need to buy, that would be awesome. 

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Here I am, with a 9mm P30v1 at home and my daily carries are two 9mm P2000v3 (also have a P2000v3 in 40sw set up the same) with Flat Wire spring and the USP Match Hammer spring, because I of what I read from you on the internet.  Never would have thought you would move away from the LEM trigger for carry but we all have our needs.  I like the form factor of this gun wish it was a HK with a sweet DA/SA trigger that I did not have to modify. 

If I had more time I would do more than just carry and shoot my three platforms, G19/23, VP9, and P2000v3.  I have no issues shooting the P2000v3 after the VP9 and G19 but for some odd reason my P30 I do. 

I like the Beretta PX4 Compact I have shot one for a day long class I would buy three if my wife could move away from the Glock but I was told that was never going to happen when she saw my Hillery might win stash of Glock 17 and Glock 19 mags. 

 

For the record.....I have not sold a single HK because of this, I have a VP9SK on order and a LEM gun is next to the bed as a dedicated light platform.  Just don't want to lose my red HK Kool Aid drinker status.  Prior to getting my first PX4CC, my conversation with Freddie Blish was that if this didn't work out, we would be doing several Robar P2000SK LEM guns for me.  Just like the LEM is not for everyone, neither is DA/SA.  All of these guns have pluses and minuses.  The key is fitting those pluses and minuses.  The HK LEM platform guns are good for both people management and things like dedicated AIWB carry.  For those worried about post shooting action (de cocking), they are the answer.  Having carried a DA/SA gun more than anything else and with more rounds down range out of them than anything else, it is not an issue for me.  All of this comes down to proper assessment of YOUR needs and to find what fits.  Also, as a trainer and writer I tend to have to try stuff more than other folks.  In this case, the "trying" the PX4CC ended up checking a bunch of boxes that were not boxes or needs a couple years ago.  

Glad someone mentioned the tip up .380.....I just had that conversation and I was told it never existed.  I am old enough that I don't always trust my memory but I recalled them being a good seller at my LE gunshop as "wife guns".  

Big picture....my HK's are a proven commodity that are not going anywhere and will still be my primary guns as striker and LEM trigger guns.  The Beretta is my go to now for a DA/SA and will keep my older HK's and West German SIG's in their honored place in the safe as great memories.

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Who the hell said the tip up .380 never existed? I almost bought a beater one once from an insurance company that claimed it from evidence since they paid their client off. Was big for caliber and I had no need. Started looking for one for my wife, as she has significant issues with her hands. Racking a slide is pretty much a no go for her as well as service caliber recoil. When they pop up on the auction sites and such the prices are STUPID.

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I think Freddie considers you and annuity more than a customer. But I really do think  they do offer the best refinishes in the business.

 

 

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CWM11B posted:

Who the hell said the tip up .380 never existed? I almost bought a beater one once from an insurance company that claimed it from evidence since they paid their client off. Was big for caliber and I had no need. Started looking for one for my wife, as she has significant issues with her hands. Racking a slide is pretty much a no go for her as well as service caliber recoil. When they pop up on the auction sites and such the prices are STUPID.

Yea, I sold a bunch of the Model 86's with the tip up.  I think the people I was with were only focused on the Tomcat's.  

I would love to see an updated design on this type of pistol.  

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I wonder what the primary factor was that led to the 86's end, perhaps it was a poor seller & unpopular pistol?
I thought they killed the entire 80 Series lineup because its not listed on the website catalog, but they still seem to be producing the 81, 84, and 85 models in limited numbers every year because new ones keep popping up at some gunshops.

The two PX4's posted above look like decent little guns, but my tastes in Euro products are typically Czech or German...  the only pizza guns that ever caught my eye were the PM12 & Spectre M4 (I'll add both to my collection if I hit the lotto/powerball jackpot).

The "Series 80" is still listed on the Italian site at least, but it means 84 mostly. The 86 was killed in 2003 or so. No idea why, but I suspect the overall downturn in small calibers for compact duty cartridges meant the niche small caliber guns were not worth it. 

http://www.beretta.com/it-it/serie-80/

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Moustache_6 posted:

I wonder what the primary factor was that led to the 86's end, perhaps it was a poor seller & unpopular pistol?
I thought they killed the entire 80 Series lineup because its not listed on the website catalog, but they still seem to be producing the 81, 84, and 85 models in limited numbers every year because new ones keep popping up at some gunshops.

The two PX4's posted above look like decent little guns, but my tastes in Euro products are typically Czech or German...  the only pizza guns that ever caught my eye were the PM12 & Spectre M4 (I'll add both to my collection if I hit the lotto/powerball jackpot).

Trust me,  nobody is more into German guns, particularly HK's than me.  If anyone told me 5 years ago I would be not only carrying a Beretta everyday, but totally enamored with it I would have called them insane.  There are far better guns to me in the service size and the sub compact size than the PX4 variants.  For what most are using in a deep concealment compact gun for, the PX4CC is a total winner.

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My post above was a little confusing.  In a service size gun I prefer things like the HK VP9, P30 or HK45 over the full size PX4.  In a sub compact, the HK P2000Sk/P30SK/VP9SK or Glock 26 would all be selected over the Sub Compact PX4SC.  What makes the PX4CC so good is hitting the size perfect and the Langdon Modifications are on the money for what is needed. In that case, it has surpassed the HkP2000 and Glock 19 to me in that size gun and how I carry it.

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Doug Mitchell posted:

Question: is the safety on this slide mounted, and "up to fire"? I have oddly small hands for my size, so that is almost always a deal killer for me.

It is a "G" model on these.  It is decock only.  It does not function as a safety.  The stealth levers are totally flat and take some work to use, but keep the gun super flat for concealment.  You can use different levers and combinations to fit your own needs.  Two of my guns have stealth levers and the two being built at Robar as more general purpose shooting and training guns will have larger easier to operate levers installed on the left side only.

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My last foray about a year ago into the DA/SA duty gun test was a factory 92 G.  Only modifications to it were complete replacement of all plastic parts (trigger, recoil assy, etc) to factory steel parts and the "D" spring that gave it a butter smooth trigger. I eventually stayed with my GLOCKs as I wasn't ready to drop the coin to upgrade all my holsters and spare parts.

I have always loved the Beretta 90 series and the 92G was one of the most reliable and mechanically accurate pistols I have shot.

I looked hard at this PX4 Custom Carry when it was announced as a more concealable option and anything Beretta related that has Ernest Langdons input is a winner.

Great review, thanks for posting it!

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Maybe it's here and I just missed it, but what is the mag capacity of these?

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15 + 1.

THANKS DB. Due to the shenanigans of this post I have contacted a hookup to get a one time super good guy price on one. This fucking place is going to bankrupt me, not to mention the ire to be faced from HH6! ��

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MOJONIXON posted:

Maybe it's here and I just missed it, but what is the mag capacity of these?

15 is normal and 17's can be set up as well.  I use only 15's and have a full set of 10 round travel to Kommie utopia mags as well.

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CWM11B posted:

15 + 1.

THANKS DB. Due to the shenanigans of this post I have contacted a hookup to get a one time super good guy price on one. This fucking place is going to bankrupt me, not to mention the ire to be faced from HH6! ��

I ll make you the same deal my "enabler" made me.  Get a Robar Mod 4 gun.  You don't like it, call me and we will work something out on an HK trade.  For me, that was a win win, and I figured I would be getting a new HK.  Didn't work out that way.....now I am in for 4 of the PX 4 Robar guns.

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If you like it, you can send it in to get the Mods done.

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Dagga Boy posted:

My post above was a little confusing.  In a service size gun I prefer things like the HK VP9, P30 or HK45 over the full size PX4.  In a sub compact, the HK P2000Sk/P30SK/VP9SK or Glock 26 would all be selected over the Sub Compact PX4SC.  What makes the PX4CC so good is hitting the size perfect and the Langdon Modifications are on the money for what is needed. In that case, it has surpassed the HkP2000 and Glock 19 to me in that size gun and how I carry it.

I was tracking in the original response

I'm highly skeptical regarding the quality of the PX series and I doubt I would ever find myself selecting it over the P01 or P07.  However, I think I could get behind it over the G19  (which is a low bar to overcome).

Moustache_6 posted:
Dagga Boy posted:

My post above was a little confusing.  In a service size gun I prefer things like the HK VP9, P30 or HK45 over the full size PX4.  In a sub compact, the HK P2000Sk/P30SK/VP9SK or Glock 26 would all be selected over the Sub Compact PX4SC.  What makes the PX4CC so good is hitting the size perfect and the Langdon Modifications are on the money for what is needed. In that case, it has surpassed the HkP2000 and Glock 19 to me in that size gun and how I carry it.

I was tracking in the original response

I'm highly skeptical regarding the quality of the PX series and I doubt I would ever find myself selecting it over the P01 or P07.  However, I think I could get behind it over the G19  (which is a low bar to overcome).

Whats your issue with the G19? Seeing how its the darling of the internet?

Me...I like glocks fine...but they never fit me all that well. 

And I can get a thumb safety on an M&P

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Moustache_6 posted:
Dagga Boy posted:

My post above was a little confusing.  In a service size gun I prefer things like the HK VP9, P30 or HK45 over the full size PX4.  In a sub compact, the HK P2000Sk/P30SK/VP9SK or Glock 26 would all be selected over the Sub Compact PX4SC.  What makes the PX4CC so good is hitting the size perfect and the Langdon Modifications are on the money for what is needed. In that case, it has surpassed the HkP2000 and Glock 19 to me in that size gun and how I carry it.

I was tracking in the original response

I'm highly skeptical regarding the quality of the PX series and I doubt I would ever find myself selecting it over the P01 or P07.  However, I think I could get behind it over the G19  (which is a low bar to overcome).

Yea, I was as well.  A couple factors changed my mind.  First, Ernest Langdon doing the endurance work to figure the long term stuff out.  Second, I think the rotary barrel is both great for the guns ease of manipulation, flat shooting and light recoil, however; I also see it as being a potential for issues as it seems that it was the source of reliability issues, especially for LE issue duty guns where lubrication and maintenance tend to be non existent.  The beauty of the LTT/Robar package is the guns are done in NP3.  They are slick and lubrication is a nice thing but no longer critical.  Coming from a long history with the older West German SiGs, to quote Larry Vickers..."run that bitch wet" was a mantra to reliability.  I thing the PX 4 is like that as well in that it likes lube.  

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R.Moran posted:
Moustache_6 posted:
Dagga Boy posted:

My post above was a little confusing.  In a service size gun I prefer things like the HK VP9, P30 or HK45 over the full size PX4.  In a sub compact, the HK P2000Sk/P30SK/VP9SK or Glock 26 would all be selected over the Sub Compact PX4SC.  What makes the PX4CC so good is hitting the size perfect and the Langdon Modifications are on the money for what is needed. In that case, it has surpassed the HkP2000 and Glock 19 to me in that size gun and how I carry it.

I was tracking in the original response

I'm highly skeptical regarding the quality of the PX series and I doubt I would ever find myself selecting it over the P01 or P07.  However, I think I could get behind it over the G19  (which is a low bar to overcome).

Whats your issue with the G19? Seeing how its the darling of the internet?

Me...I like glocks fine...but they never fit me all that well. 

And I can get a thumb safety on an M&P

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Glocks are the pinnacle mediocrity, and I for one and not a fan of mediocrity

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Don't want to hijack the thread so that's all I have let to say regarding Glock Imperfection.

Shot the PX4 CC all weekend during a class.  No malfunctions, shot a cold demo 99 Hackathorn Test, several other drills we normally do went well.  286 Vickers 300, which I called two bad shots on.  Overall, super happy with how the gun fits my hand, how it handles, and howmit shoots for me.  De-cocking at a sub conscious level has returned quickly and this may just be "the one" for my daily carry for the foreseeable future as a retired FAG (former action guy).

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I'm thinking of jumping on this bandwagon simply because of my injuries. I had one of the tip up beretta 380s. I bought it for a girlfriend who had trouble racking slides. They are both long gone but I  wish I still had the gun.  I think all of us should think about "therapeutic " guns and holsters for when we are injured or getting older.  Notice I said when not if. (Ordering a left hand holster after you had rotator cuff surgery is not ideal)  I would not call   Glock 19s mediocre; to me they are the peak of the bell curve. That sweet spot that works for most people.  (I admit that the HK VP9 is taking over that sweet spot but price is often a deciding factor for people. ) Glock 9mm's  are like S&W model 10s. They work. They are boring , pedestrian,  everybody has one and easy to look down on. That's why I usually carry a Glock 19 and I own 9 model 10/64/12s in 2", 3", and 4".  I just ordered a pocket holster from Lobo gun leather for my 3" 64 because I wear cargo shorts all summer.  I am also on the hunt for a 4" pencil barrel  RB model 10 and model 12 for when I get older. I don't know how many Glocks I own. But every time I find a lightly used Glock 19 for 300 bucks I try and buy it. 


 

pointblank4445 posted:

DB,

If you have a free minute, could you do me a solid and get a pic of that Beretta in the same frame as your VP9 and/or possibly a P2000 if you've got one handy?

Here it is with the VP9.  It carries much smaller than its actual size because of its shape.  If I was carrying at 2:30-3:30, it would be the VP9 or VP9SK.  For 12:30 AIWB, the Beretta PX4 CC is my go to followed by the HKP2000SK LEM.  



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In regards to a therapy gun.....yep.  I am paying hard for how I have abused my hands.  Something interesting to note from the classes I taught at A Girl and A Gun.  I saw a lot of VP9's with the woman who went to a store a bought their own gun on their own.  Guess what was a huge factor.....the cocking supports.  I originally was kind of meh on them.  Then when I started shooting and carrying the VP9 daily for a couple years, I found them to be something I really liked.  There is more to the ease of manipulations than many people in this industry think.  

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

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