Best all around muzzle device for Surefire suppressor?

I'm going to be picking up another Surefire suppressor in the near future for use on a couple 10.3" and 14.5" uppers, and am looking for recommendations on the best all around muzzle device for this role.  The rifle will often be fired suppressed, but may also be used without the suppressor from time to time.  I was leaning toward the Warcomp, but I am also open to the 3 prong or 4 prong flash hider as well.  Just looking for opinions from those who have used, or own either of these options and can provide some insight, pros, cons, etc.   I'm open to all input, and have plenty of time to decide on the best way ahead.  

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It all depends on what you want to do.  I had found with the legacy and I believe the same is true for the SOCOM attachments that certain designs DO indeed affect raw accuracy.  I'm not talking crazy large groups but enough to add an additional 0.5-1.0 MOA average on a 10-round group with match ammo.  

The close-tine legacy like the FH556SA, FH556-212A were the worst offenders and likewise the Warcomp CT has shown some degradation on paper and I suspect the SFCT-556 would produce results similar to the 212A.  Wes Grant of MSTN has said very similar and their accuracy fix for the 212A was to bore a larger hole in the muzzle device.  Older CA556SA's that I've had shot well but could pass a 308 bullet and were not as tight; so I guess it makes sense.

I've had excellent luck with the 3 and 4 prong flash hiders in both legacy and SOCOM in both 5.56 and 308 flavors.  The once-again available 215A is my absolute favorite since the SF4P avialability is limited.  The open prongs don't seem to degrade accuracy.  It's unclear if the open tine Warcomp has any affect and to what degree.  The only gun I shot with one was a 20" 416 and it did very well.

Again, this is in terms of raw accuracy only.  The Warcomps are great if you're willing to trade a little accuracy for speed/control.  I'm not a huge fan of brakes, but some seem to prefer them as a sort of extra/sacraficial baffle for the suppressor...IDK, not my area of expertise.  

 

...just my observations.

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I have Warcomps and a break on a few guns. The Warcomps are on a 14.5” & a 11.5”, they work as advertised, offer a bit more controllability, decent flash suppression and are not any more obnoxious to me than an A2. The SF break is awesome...it’s on my 16” “game gun”, makes it very flat shooting and controllable, but...it’s loud, very loud, bums out anyone you’re shooting with loud. I had a buddy with one on a 10.5” gun...it was nearly unbearable, shot 1.5’ daylight visible flames out each side. 

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I've been running a 3 prong on my 11.5 with a SOCOM RC and am really happy. I've heard that with Warcomps if you run it mostly suppressed can get clogged up. I'm also pretty anti comp after shooting next to them way too many times and end up focusing on not punching the dude next to me more than the target, so it gets distracting...

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XTCBX posted:

What gets clogged? The comp holes?

Yep, the comp holes on top as they're sealed by the can. 

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If you already have SF cans you may know about this issue or maybe it doesn't affect you. I've always had an issue with the surefire SOCOM 556 cans getting stuck on the muzzle surprisingly quickly. Now I use copper anti-seize but it still doesn't work that well. I'm sure there are other cans that are similar weight and quality that dont do this but my experience is only with SF. 

WyattT posted:

If you already have SF cans you may know about this issue or maybe it doesn't affect you. I've always had an issue with the surefire SOCOM 556 cans getting stuck on the muzzle surprisingly quickly. Now I use copper anti-seize but it still doesn't work that well. I'm sure there are other cans that are similar weight and quality that dont do this but my experience is only with SF. 

I had this issue too, but now I just take them off and "break" the carbon while it's still hot. Once they cool off it's a bitch, usually using a blank to get it off. 

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kaltesherz posted:
XTCBX posted:

What gets clogged? The comp holes?

Yep, the comp holes on top as they're sealed by the can. 

Interesting, never heard this before. Seems like the first shot or three with it off would clear it? If not, you now have a pretty good flash hider!

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The carbon built up in my can and on the FH isn't going anywhere short of a jackhammer. That said, I haven't seen it first hand, just read about it and it makes sense given the build up I've seen. 

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I have WarComps and use a SF SB2 can. I haven’t put enough rounds through it to actually clog the WarComp but the top holes do get dirty as a pig pen when I shoot it. I would imagine with serious use it could completely close those and make it a real bear to clean out.

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I have a SF4P on my Geissele upper and Warcomps on all my other 5.56 uppers. I and a buddy each shot the 4P followed by the warcomp, and I said to him after the WC, "How about that difference in muzzle climb?" He said, "what muzzle climb?" I felt like with the warcomp, my muzzle didn't move at all. I'd certainly go Warcomp by choice.

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WARNING: KIND OF A DERAIL

I just bought WARCOMPS for a 556 and 762 and the flats are so fucking narrow that neither of my THREE armorer's wrenches fit!!  I just got back from driving all over town to find crowfoot wrenches (also aid in using the torque wrench) and found NONE that are narrow enough to fit the gap on the WARCOMPS!  I also tried every fucking 3/4" end wrench I could find on the shelves … all too thick!  My last choice was to try Crescent wrench and not only are they too thick, they wouldn't offer a way to properly torque it down.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, SUREFIRE!?!?!?!?

Industry standards aren't good enough for you?!?

For those who have been running them, would you please share what type/brand of wrench you used to gitter on?

Thanks in advance,

RD

EDT:  Nevermind … Hile fixed it.  

 

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hile posted:

brother they come with a wrench that fits a 1/2 in torque wrench 

My first thought was, "Hile is smokin' crack. There's no fucking wrench!"   Well, we are BOTH right. 

The 762 WARCOMP I was trying to get on my OBR did NOT have one in the package. BUT, since Hile has never, ever lied to me … I checked the 556 package and sure as shit - a wrench adapter fell out!!  

I guess I should have addressed the hive before wasting 2-1/2 hours driving all over town!  THANKS, HILE!!

Back to work on my man-toys.

RD

 

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RidgeDog posted:
hile posted:

brother they come with a wrench that fits a 1/2 in torque wrench 

My first thought was, "Hile is smokin' crack. There's no fucking wrench!"   Well, we are BOTH right. 

The 762 WARCOMP I was trying to get on my OBR did NOT have one in the package. BUT, since Hile has never, ever lied to me … I checked the 556 package and sure as shit - a wrench adapter fell out!!  

I guess I should have addressed the hive before wasting 2-1/2 hours driving all over town!  THANKS, HILE!!

Back to work on my man-toys.

RD

So are you bringing the OBR to Texas?

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MOJONIXON posted:

So are you bringing the OBR to Texas?

Jury is still out.  If I can get out to confirm zero and shoot the OBR under NODS I will bring it.  Otherwise, my 5.56 that is already tune up for NODS and laser will be my bitch.  Honestly, I use to shoot coyotes from in between calves and cows under moonlight with a '94 Winchester, so I reckon I'll be okay with either system I drag along.  I'm there more for the meet-and-greet than the bacon! 

RD

 

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RidgeDog posted:
MOJONIXON posted:

So are you bringing the OBR to Texas?

Jury is still out.  If I can get out to confirm zero and shoot the OBR under NODS I will bring it.  Otherwise, my 5.56 that is already tune up for NODS and laser will be my bitch.  Honestly, I use to shoot coyotes from in between calves and cows under moonlight with a '94 Winchester, so I reckon I'll be okay with either system I drag along.  I'm there more for the meet-and-greet than the bacon! 

RD

Re: your last sentence, I think we all are. 

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RidgeDog posted:

WARNING: KIND OF A DERAIL

I just bought WARCOMPS for a 556 and 762 and the flats are so fucking narrow that neither of my THREE armorer's wrenches fit!!  I just got back from driving all over town to find crowfoot wrenches (also aid in using the torque wrench) and found NONE that are narrow enough to fit the gap on the WARCOMPS!  I also tried every fucking 3/4" end wrench I could find on the shelves … all too thick!  My last choice was to try Crescent wrench and not only are they too thick, they wouldn't offer a way to properly torque it down.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, SUREFIRE!?!?!?!?

Industry standards aren't good enough for you?!?

For those who have been running them, would you please share what type/brand of wrench you used to gitter on?

Thanks in advance,

EDT:  Nevermind … Hile fixed it.  

Too bad there aren't a 1/2 dozen or so members here who could put a crowfoot wrench on a milling machine diet and get it thinner for you....

BTW... its usually a great idea to completely check the package / packing material for those minor "critical" items....lol

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David Reeves posted:
RidgeDog posted:

WARNING: KIND OF A DERAIL

I just bought WARCOMPS for a 556 and 762 and the flats are so fucking narrow that neither of my THREE armorer's wrenches fit!!  I just got back from driving all over town to find crowfoot wrenches (also aid in using the torque wrench) and found NONE that are narrow enough to fit the gap on the WARCOMPS!  I also tried every fucking 3/4" end wrench I could find on the shelves … all too thick!  My last choice was to try Crescent wrench and not only are they too thick, they wouldn't offer a way to properly torque it down.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, SUREFIRE!?!?!?!?

Industry standards aren't good enough for you?!?

For those who have been running them, would you please share what type/brand of wrench you used to gitter on?

Thanks in advance,

EDT:  Nevermind … Hile fixed it.  

Too bad there aren't a 1/2 dozen or so members here who could put a crowfoot wrench on a milling machine diet and get it thinner for you....

BTW... its usually a great idea to completely check the package / packing material for those minor "critical" items....lol

If someone wants it done I can get it done. You would just need to tell me how thick/thin you want it.  5 minutes on a Bridgeport manual mill. 

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Okay, David and Mark, don't tease me with expertise out of my reach!! That's just mean!! 

And for the record, David, the 762 Warcomp package was completely devoid of any wrench. Hell, I even watched a Surefire video on installation and they didn't even mention one came in the pkg.  It wasn't until Hile said it was SUPPOSE to have an adapter that I looked in the, as of then unopened, 556 Warcomp package that I discovered it. THANK GOD I ordered two flash hiders or I would be on d'phone to Ike getting the lost one sent to me.

But … LIFE IS GOOD … now. 

 

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