Bought a used Beretta 92FS, looking for ideas

For years, I've had a negative opinion of the Beretta 92/M9.  Larger and heavier than other 9mm handguns with the same magazine capacity (Glock 19 for example), double action, slide mounted safety/decocker, etc.  However, I do try to learn and many whom I respect have said it was very accurate, soft recoil, reliable, etc.  Then I handled a Wilson Combat Beretta and almost got one.  A really good trigger and the DA reminded me of a good S&W.  Smooth, consistent, usable. 

So the other day I picked up a used one on GunBroker.  Advertised as a safe queen and the pictures were consistent with that description.  5 mags and a couple of holsters complete the package, one Bladetech, one Safariland, and all at a good price.

After a lot of research, these are the upgrades I'm planning:
1.  "D" model 13lb mainspring.
2.  Wolff trigger spring.
3.  Beretta factory "G" model decocker conversion.
4.  Wilson Combat extended, checkered magazine catch.
5.  Wilson Combat steel recoil spring guide.
6.  Wilson Combat steel short throw trigger.
7.  Beretta skeletonized hammer (maybe).
8.  VZ grips (essentially the Wilson ultrathin grips).
9.  Polish contact points on the trigger bar.

I am considering replacing the rear sight, but I want to try the stock sights first.  One of those issues so far as I know is that while there are multiple rear sight options, but almost none for the front sight since it is part of the slide.  There isn't enough meat in the slide top to mill a dovetail for a new front sight and the only other options I'm aware of are Wilson Combat again.  They offer to drill the front sight for a red or green fiber optic.

I can do everything I've listed with the exception of the front sight.  I would appreciate some input on other useful modifications, accessories, etc.

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What mission do you foresee for it?  I have some older P Series Sigs that I keep for sentimental/auxiliary roles, but not for primary defensive use. I wouldn't put too much in to those pistols unless I had a specific mission in mind.

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I owned a 92 for training prior to USAF, then the bastards sent me to Italy where i couldn't bring it...

 

Most of the bad opinion of the 92 comes from .mil untrained guys, the same who talked shit about the 1911.

A guy i went to tech school with shot my maintained 92FS after the beat to death school M9s andd said i had restored his faith in the M9 as a weapon.

The M9A3 fixed any issues i had aside from size, i got little hands. I could always shoot the 92 well, even though i dislike DA guns.

Most 92s out of the box are fucking laser beams.  Had to sell mine for $$ a few years back, but as a secondary house gun I'd buy another. 

A stock 92FS, since sight changes are tough... a trigger spring and laser grips fix my main issues.

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I did almost everything you did, with some more work - and I love it. Hate the "G" conversion (it's too damn bulky) and I used a 1911 hammer spring instead of a "D" spring. I also went with the Beretta extended mag catch. Also, you can absolutely mill the dovetail on the front. I did and went with a 1911 front and Novak M9 rear.

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KLR_Redux posted:

What mission do you foresee for it?  I have some older P Series Sigs that I keep for sentimental/auxiliary roles, but not for primary defensive use. I wouldn't put too much in to those pistols unless I had a specific mission in mind.

And there you have it.  In one sense, it is an example of a US service pistol.  It won't be my primary carry, home defense, etc.  However, I think it could easily be an adequate daylight gun with improvements.  I paid $335 for everything, and I can do everything I listed for less than $300.  If I do anything with the sights, that will be more.  But action will be very close to the Wilson Combat, and that is very good.  I like the Bladetech holster and I have a couple of UM84's hanging around, so I don't need any more. 

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PlasticMag posted:

I did almost everything you did, with some more work - and I love it. Hate the "G" conversion (it's too damn bulky) and I used a 1911 hammer spring instead of a "D" spring. I also went with the Beretta extended mag catch. Also, you can absolutely mill the dovetail on the front. I did and went with a 1911 front and Novak M9 rear.

Nice!  I dropped by the store today and fingerfucked an M9A3.  I'd really like the single side G conversion that Wilson does, but that's $100 more than the drop in parts.  And as was pointed out, how much money do I want to sink into a gun that isn't a do-everything gun when I've already got a couple do-everything guns in the safe?  Honestly though, I'm a gun addict who likes to work on project guns.  In my opinion, the  decocker only of the "G" model is far superior to the decocker/safety.  If they didn't have the "G" conversion kit available, I'd send it to Wilson for theirs. 

You've got me really interested in the sights now.  Who did yours?  The only option I'd seen other than the FO was a replacement sight that fit over a modified stock sight, which was then pinned in place.

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Sounds like reasonable upgrades. Less necessary (but future purchases) might be an aftermarket rail to allow a light for use in a pinch. 

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Arty_Mech posted:

Have you considered the Langdon tactical trigger job in a bag? It's everything you mentioned and more, already polished where need be and runs about 160. 

The Langdon kit is $165 and contains, "Wilson Combat Ultimate Trigger bar, Elite II hammer, Sear, Sear Spring, Trigger Spring, Hammer Strut, and Wilson Combat Reduced Power Hammer Spring."  I could do that, but it has stuff I need and stuff that is a luxury.

1.  "D" model 13lb mainspring.
2.  Wolff trigger spring.
3.  Beretta factory "G" model decocker conversion.
4.  Wilson Combat extended, checkered magazine catch.
5.  Wilson Combat steel recoil spring guide.
6.  Wilson Combat steel short throw trigger.
7.  Beretta skeletonized hammer (maybe).
8.  VZ grips (essentially the Wilson ultrathin grips).
9.  Polish contact points on the trigger bar.

So that leaves me with most everything else still on the list.

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Dorsai posted:
PlasticMag posted:

I did almost everything you did, with some more work - and I love it. Hate the "G" conversion (it's too damn bulky) and I used a 1911 hammer spring instead of a "D" spring. I also went with the Beretta extended mag catch. Also, you can absolutely mill the dovetail on the front. I did and went with a 1911 front and Novak M9 rear.

Nice!  I dropped by the store today and fingerfucked an M9A3.  I'd really like the single side G conversion that Wilson does, but that's $100 more than the drop in parts.  And as was pointed out, how much money do I want to sink into a gun that isn't a do-everything gun when I've already got a couple do-everything guns in the safe?  Honestly though, I'm a gun addict who likes to work on project guns.  In my opinion, the  decocker only of the "G" model is far superior to the decocker/safety.  If they didn't have the "G" conversion kit available, I'd send it to Wilson for theirs. 

You've got me really interested in the sights now.  Who did yours?  The only option I'd seen other than the FO was a replacement sight that fit over a modified stock sight, which was then pinned in place.

If you're going to spend the money for a "G" conversion, send it in to Wilson for the machine work. You'll thank me later. I opted to keep the safety (personal preference) but with the Wilson low-profile bar, and there's no (zero, zilch, nada) risk of accidentally engaging the lever.

Internally, as I mentioned, I did everything you're planning to. The trigger work was remarkably easy and fitting everything together with light stoning was a breeze. That being said, if you do buy the short throw trigger, spend the money and get the Wilson trigger bar/spring package. Yes, you'll throw out the trigger spring, but the choice of three hammer springs is good. More importantly, you get their trigger bar and you can work to eliminate overtravel. I've found that even with the short trigger there's a fair bit of travel before you firmly engage the firing mechanism (with the hammer cocked), and the Wilson bar helps eliminate that.

The slide was done by a local machine shop in Olympia, WA - One Man Machining. He works word of mouth only and I don't know if he takes work from out of town. He also did the forward cocking serrations, and nitrided the slide after. His work was impeccable, and I was the first Beretta slide he's ever cut or seen cut. The slide is cut for a Novak dovetail (bias slightly towards the rear, and it's a shallow dovetail), I went with a .160 1911 front sight as I used a .305 rear sight from Novak for the Beretta (standard rear height is .270 - this gives me a slightly taller sight picture), and the combo is dead nuts on target. I drilled a hole to pin the sight on my own, the slide has held up nicely with over 2,000 rounds through it with no issues.

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PlasticMag posted:

I did almost everything you did, with some more work - and I love it. Hate the "G" conversion (it's too damn bulky) and I used a 1911 hammer spring instead of a "D" spring. I also went with the Beretta extended mag catch. Also, you can absolutely mill the dovetail on the front. I did and went with a 1911 front and Novak M9 rear.

You don't know how many times I have been looking at that pic, enlarging it, looking more...and more...and more.  I really like what you've done.  I'll trust your judgment on the height of the sights because if I was just going off of feeling, the rear sight looks too tall.  The forward cocking serrations look really nice and functional.  Since you don't like the G conversion, am I right that you just got the single sided low profile safety lever?  Finally, for now, those appear to be factory plastic grips that have been stippled.  Since I can see the original borders for the checkering, I'm guessing that you didn't sand it first and just stippled over everything.  Did it reduce the grip circumference at all?  I'm guessing not.  Either way, really nice gun.  Really nice.

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Thank you! Yep, the sights do look weird but the results don't lie - the front and rear line up pretty damn well at 25m. I've been very happy with them. That being said - the sight combo for the stock Beretta is as follows if you want to do math around that:
M9 - .160" front (integrated), .278" rear
Brigadier - .173" front, .290" rear

As you can see, for my specific pistol I went up .027" on the rear and that got me to dead center. Of note is that the slide I have on there now is assembled from a USGI M9 slide from eBay and a factory threaded barrel from Arms Unlimited with replacement parts from Brownells - that probably has some impact on how it all went together and the POA/POI. That being said, I plan on swapping in Tritium sights for it sooner rather than later (another Novak Beretta rear and a 1911 front, unsure if I want to go higher yet).

Second, you're absolutely right - it's the low profile lever. Probably the best control improvement you can buy for the Beretta 92 family, more so than a mag release or new trigger. It's just THAT good.

Finally, they are the original grips but I thinned the everliving hell out of them and removed material around the magazine release on both sides. I removed almost all of the protruding hump with a sanding wheel and then stippled them (had grip tape on before that but it didn't like to stick). The grips are now 1/3 thinner (subjectively) and the grip size is more in line with a Glock than a boat anchor now. As to the line around the checkering - I was pretty careful.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

Another thought, past my edit window - the front cocking serrations are a must. When I carried an M9 I used grip tape there but that chews up holsters. This is a much more elegant solution. The only major work that I'd like to do that may still happen is to send the frame off for 25 lpi front and rear checkering and beveling the magwell. That's a "nice to have," not a "must have." Allegheny Arms does that service and it's not cheap ($100 for the mag well, $150 for front and back checkering), plus refinishing is not included. I think you can see my hesitation there... As it is I think I'm over $1k on the pistol.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

I had a thread not long ago about M9/92 upgrades.

I've seen Allegheny arms recommended elsewhere, I came close to sending mine to them...but as usual..

When discussing 92's with Dave Sams...former AMU guy who builds BullsEye guns..told me a good inexpensive way to go, and what he did for a lot of PDs when the 92 was popular with them, was a full fit KKM barrel, DA/SA trigger job, and the LPA rear sight that uses the factory front sight.

Me, trying to beat the system, had contacted BarSto, who told me they just finished a run of Beretta barrels. I ordered a semi-fit, flush cut length. With the idea of shooting it that way, with the 13# Wilson hammer spring...maybe add the trigger job in a bag...

Of course the barrel didn't drop in....so I went back and forth between Allegheny and Sams...and went with Sams..and his plan, barrel, trigger job and lpa sight.  

An M9 is my duty gun, which is the only reason I bought the 92. I'm allowed to swap grips on the duty gun, I tried Ergo, and now have Uncle Mikes on both guns. From what I'm reading the Langdon grips are thinner, then Wilsons or VZ's...but that's $70 x 2.

I had thought about the extended mag release and G conversion, but decided to leave it closer to the work gun. So..essentially I made a  more accurate, easier to shoot version of the issue gun, but left the "handling" characteristics pretty much the same.



Rumor is we will get M17s sooner then later....if that happens...the 92, may get the G conversion, extended mag release, LTT grips, and maybe the full target sights..



Hind sight being 20/20....maybe I should've just bought an Elite barrel of gunbroker for $180 and left it alone...

Dovetail front sight,...wondering how that goes. I would think if dovetailing the slide was doable, with no drawbacks,  a lot  more gunsmiths would be doing it.

I do think the idea that most of the Beretta hate comes from worn out M9s is over stated. In the end, it is still a gun that is bigger then it needs to be, bulkier then it needs to be, less adaptable then it needs to be, and harder to shoot then it needs to be.

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I have the LTT. The grips are very, very thin. My stupidly short trigger finger never worked well with a 92 so I was expecting to have to get the Wilson short reach trigger, but it wasn't necessary due to how thin the grips are. They are so thin that they make the slide stop stick out far enough that with my high grip it was painful to shoot. I bought another slide stop and filed it down by about 1/3. I'm going to shoot it again Friday and see but I think I'll end up filing it down some more. Then I'll have to send it somewhere to be refinished. Some shooters have had issues with failing to get slide lock on the LTT because of how far the slide stop protrudes. It's rare for me to get slide lock with any gun so I can't comment on that.

I'll eventually get the trigger job in a bag just for the hell of it but after installing the 13# Wilson spring the trigger is pretty damn nice as it is.

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K.O.A.M. posted:

Beretta offers a drop in "G" conversion that works great.  I had a gunsmith install it and he said it was the easiest thing he's ever done. 

https://www.berettausa.com/beretta-g-lever-kit/

That was on my list as a high probable.  Pro - it is $100 cheaper than the Wilson conversion.  Con - the Wilson conversion has a single sided low pro lever vs. the factory two sided, bulkier levers.  I'm now running into my own rule about getting what you really want rather than settling for something else based on cost.

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Arty_Mech posted:

Have you considered the Langdon tactical trigger job in a bag? It's everything you mentioned and more, already polished where need be and runs about 160. 

Mark, trust me on this....this and the G conversion with the Wilson Flat wire kit and you are good.  Call me if you need to.  I am deep in 92’s these days.  Just shot a 300 Super Test with my Langdon tuned 92.DE7782C7-3FDB-4EE1-AD7A-F55F82012989

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I shoulda bought that Border Marshall at the gun show......sigh

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R.Moran posted:

I shoulda bought that Border Marshall at the gun show......sigh

We should have another thread to list all the things we regret NOT getting when we had the chance.  The opposite of all those guns we sold or traded and wish we hadn't.  Like all of the select fire AR receivers, HK sears, etc. that I could have bought and registered prior to May 1986.

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Dorsai posted:
R.Moran posted:

I shoulda bought that Border Marshall at the gun show......sigh

We should have another thread to list all the things we regret NOT getting when we had the chance.  The opposite of all those guns we sold or traded and wish we hadn't.  Like all of the select fire AR receivers, HK sears, etc. that I could have bought and registered prior to May 1986.

Just the M1 carbines alone...

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

So....just how big a deal is the Brig slide in 9mm...beside the dovetail front sight?

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If you're just keeping it as a range toy/service pistol clone, were it me I would do the trigger and spring work, but leave it alone externally. Try to keep the original look about it. When people shot it, I'd tell them that's just what M9 triggers are like (a lie). 

Changing the hammer and grips might make it shoot better, but shooting it all the time doesn't seem to be it's purpose. That's just me.  

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R.Moran posted:

So....just how big a deal is the Brig slide in 9mm...beside the dovetail front sight?

I don't have one, but everything I've read has been consistent in their remarks.  Stronger, heavier slide so the rare stress cracks reported on the M9/92FS are prevented, slightly reduced recoil.  The downside is that they don't fit in kydex holsters designed for the M9/92FS due to the thicker slide and slightly different contour. 

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Dorsai posted:
R.Moran posted:

So....just how big a deal is the Brig slide in 9mm...beside the dovetail front sight?

I don't have one, but everything I've read has been consistent in their remarks.  Stronger, heavier slide so the rare stress cracks reported on the M9/92FS are prevented, slightly reduced recoil.  The downside is that they don't fit in kydex holsters designed for the M9/92FS due to the thicker slide and slightly different contour. 

Didnt realize that..good point..so it might be an issue in the 7TS I use for a duty holster.

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R.Moran posted:

So....just how big a deal is the Brig slide in 9mm...beside the dovetail front sight?

I ve had a lot of in depth conversations with serious Beretta shooters.  The current thought is the Brig slides are not worth the juice and actually have some negatives.  My two current 92’s that I am running hard both have standard slides.  My LTT Elite is a dedicated light gun and the 92G is set up for AIWB and Fanny Pack carry.  

Bob, you will appreciate my qual score on the Armed GARD qual in Texas I just did.  Believe it is the highest score they have seen with 8000 students. Shot with my LTT Elite that shoots a little low with WWB 115 training Ammo.

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Wow!

My shooting has really slipped as of late. We are going to the new MP qual this year..shades of Pat..

I smoked the SC armed gard qual at Brinks..the " instructor didnt know what to say.

Slides.  Drawbacks to the Brig slide?

I've seen some BE guys recommend them...but really just for the dovetail front sight.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

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The complaints on the Brig slides is a tendency to dip the muzzle when returning to battery.  Add that to holster fit and just different and rare ends up at more negatives than positives.  The dovetail front is nice but not critical to me.  My 92G is drilled for a Tritum vial with a ring and an all black Wilson rear and works well.  The fiber optic option is also solid and you ensure there are no issues with the front sight moving.  With the Wilson guide rods and flat recoil springs mine shoot very flat and consistent with standard slides.  This also includes a CenTac and a LTT 92 Compact.

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We are in the Golden Age of these guns.  They have been very much figured out, and we have also figured out how to really shoot them and maximize their performance.  We now have a reliable pistol that can be built with a very manageable thinking trigger when you need a thinking trigger and a shooting trigger when you need a shooting trigger.

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I'd say just shoot the gun for a bit first.  It might not need any changes.  If you really feel the need to tinker, Wolf sells a service pack for the Beretta 92.  For $19 bucks you can reset the springs in pistol.  they also have Magazine springs.    link  

If you are feeling saucy wolf can sell you their INS trigger (not compatable with plastic triggers) and a reduced hammer spring and it's improve your trigger feel.  I went with the Wolf spring and a Beretta factory D spring myself, I'll install and test them next time I'm CONUS.  The only other thing I would look at is the locking block.  There are at least 3 generations out there.  Berretta USA will sell you the latest version for $35, a hammer and a punch and you are good.  If you have a plastic trigger, Beretta USA can sell you steel trigger and recoil guide too.  But, has anyone actually had the plastic parts fails?

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I had a 10% off and free shipping from Brownells, so I already ordered the Wilson short reach steel trigger, the extended mag release,  and the Wolff trigger spring to go with the trigger.  I have a spare 1911 mainspring if I don't like the trigger pull (it doubles for the D spring).  This gives me the minimum changes that I know will be good.  Then I can shoot it and see what else is necessary.   I may like the sights.  The trigger may feel good after minimal changes.  A "G" conversion of some kind will be a must though.  

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    Answering CD228's question I shot the factory plastic trigger to death in my 92FS after about 14 years of use (would work in single action but no-go in double). I was simply going to order a new Beretta standard trigger and then I figured if I'm not worried about keeping it as close as possible to the M9 I might as well make it a bit more shootable. For my Beretta 92 I installed the Wilson Combat short reach trigger along with the Wolf spring kit.  I had a steel recoil spring guide and a Wolf "Beretta Conversion Unit Trigger Spring" on hand already from a purchase from CHUCKTHUNDER in the swap meet going all the way back to May of 2012 so I finally threw those in the gun as well.

   These parts definitely make a difference. I would normally not shoot this pistol at work due to the insane double action trigger length and weight and reserved it for plinking and nostalgia.  I was wearing at it work after the upgrades on a Flashback Friday (nostalgia) and one of my co-workers dared me to run a cold qualification with the students. I was certainly pleased with a perfect score on both stages.

   Another vote for the Wilson Combat/Wolf package before dropping serious coin on an all-out workover.

   And CD228's suggestion of a spare locking block is a sound one. If you do thorough inspections of your pistol every time you clean it you should be able to spot cracks in the locking block before they totally break off one of the "wings" and lock your pistol up. I've personally seen this in military M9s, and on one occasion the pistol was so locked up I had to resort to cutting the slide in half in order to be able repair the pistol.

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I picked it up today and will be going to the range tomorrow.  My parts from Brownell's arrive on Wednesday.  In the meantime, I replaced the mainspring with a 1911 mainspring.  Unbelievable!  DA trigger pull is about the same as the Wilson Combat models in the counter, maybe even slightly lighter!  SA is lighter than stock, not as good as the Wilson.

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It is still a good price, but the 5x 15rd magazines weren't exactly that.  1 Beretta 15rd, 1 MecGar 18 rd, 1 Checkmate 10rd, 1 Pro-mag 15rd and 1 Ramline 15rd mag.  Could be worse.  I'm still pleased, but I think I will want to get a few more known reliable mags.  Factory Beretta or MecGar.   The trigger mag release are steel, but I'm replacing them anyway.  Sights are usable.  There are better, but they can wait.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

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