Looking at getting the HH6 her first (own) rifle.

We have a few 16" midlength AR's in the house already, so should I get her own 16" middy or something like an 12,5" middy pistol with a SBM4 brace instead?

What would you suggest? She's a  novice regarding shooting. Purpose? SHTF or home defense mainly.

Thanks!

 

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Maybe you can get her some training and experience and let her decide.  I lost a Colt .45 like that.  My sister had it until she got married.

A gun show is one place to go so she can handle the hardware.  Make sure she knows about the mark up.

Commonality is important in a home defense gun.   Just something to consider.

 

 

 

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Shooters generally progress through what they like, from heavier and low recoil to lighter, smaller and more compact.     (I say generally because my wife never has never moved past heavy full size pistols.   No she won’t carry, “I have you for that”).   Let her try all of yours until one of them isn’t yours any more.    It will likely be your favorite or most expensive.   

When there is some aspect of the gun she doesn’t like, she will tell you.   

We have several of various types of rifles/carbines, but the wife keeps going back to her original first, a well loved/well used M1 carbine. That is her house gun, loaded with high quality soft nose hunting loads. . Works and fits trumps “gee, this is what I think she should use”

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dmaxd03 posted:

Shooters generally progress through what they like, from heavier and low recoil to lighter, smaller and more compact.     (I say generally because my wife never has never moved past heavy full size pistols.   No she won’t carry, “I have you for that”).   Let her try all of yours until one of them isn’t yours any more.    It will likely be your favorite or most expensive.   

When there is some aspect of the gun she doesn’t like, she will tell you.   

There's a lot of good advice here. After she chooses your favorite, and you buy the latest goodness to replace it, she wants the new one as well....

ETA,

"Lighter is better" applies particularly heavily to new female shooters. I live with four of them, so my opinion is based in experience. Keep it simple, but spring for the light, sling and red dot right away, Shortens the learning curve significantly.

First, has she expressed the desire for her own rifle that she intends to shoot?  If you want to get a rifle for her, that she hasn't said she wants, it will be treated exactly like that sexy negligee you got her that has never left the drawer since she said, "Thank you", and stowed it away. 

Before you buy or build, see if your friends have rifles different than yours and arrange to borrow or meet them at the range and let her get some trigger time.  Standing.  Shooting offhand without support.  As was previously said, new shooters tend to gravitate toward a heavier, low recoil rifle that they use from the bench.  When they have to hold it, their priorities change.

Technology is your, and her friend.  To be specific, muzzle brakes.  Try and get one that doesn't blow stuff off adjacent shooting positions with the blast, but for her, recoil reduction is better.  Blast only matters to you or others in the vicinity, not her behind the rifle.

Without knowing exactly what you already have, I'd gravitate to a skinny barrel 14.5" or 16" midlength or an 11.5" pistol with an SB3 adjustable LOP brace.  My rationale is this.  You already have longer carbines (14.5" or 16" barrel) in the house.  The only rationale for another would be something lighter.  If you're emphasizing defense in the house, maneuverability is a higher priority.  Going the SBR route when you can do a pistol and brace is a no brainer.  The pistol gives you more options.  And finally, if you get her something that ultimately she doesn't care about, at least you'll have something you can use.

Oh yeah, one more final.  RDS and light.  A good red dot pleases every newer shooter.  A friend of mine and I have been training his 12 year old daughter.  She loves going to the range and shooting.  She hasn't gone past .22, but that's fine.  When she got the chance to try an M&P 15/22 with a red dot, she claimed it as hers.  Literally.  She went through about 500 rds on the last range trip and she loaded her own magazines.  She loves the dot and wants one on the pistol too.  So a reward system has been instituted.  She has to shoot on irons, with acceptable results before she gets to use the RDS.  It's a reward.  Otherwise it's like learning to drive on an automatic and never learning a stick shift.  Anyway, your wife is an adult and you're trying to put a useful package together for her.  Work with her on the placement of the light.  What works for you may not work with her so show some flexibility on placement.  But plan the light and the RDS into your budget as must haves, not an afterthought you get to someday.

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A red dot is certainly the way to go. My 4yr old daughter put lead on steel consistently with a red dotted AR15, 22LR insert, tripod supported and seated. Put a big smile on her face.

Put the red dot on target and squeeze the trigger, very short learning curve. 

J: March 2004

L: Texas

Lots of good thoughts!

Being in WA, I feel getting the tool will be the first priority and training next on the agenda.

A lightweight AR might be the solution, and that's why part of the thought was to get a pistol AR as it is lighter and nimber than a fullsize BCM BFH 16 middy that my personal goto is.

RDS & light for sure. Probably a vortex or PA RDS for now. I have the Aero lower already, so just need the upper part.

 

Or do I go a completely different route and get a Scorpion with a brace?

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My wife is smaller, about 5”5 and 115 lbs.

I bring this up because the size of the person is a factor in selecting the gun, to some extent.

I let her try various different options. The end result was she ended up with a copy of my duty rifle, a factory built Daniel Defense v7 light weight. We put an Aimpoint T-1 and a Surefire Scout light on it. The end result is shooting and the balance of the gun works for her. She enjoys shooting the gun, so she actually will practice with it.

As for a 16” gun for home defense: she has no real training or experience with room clearing and building searches. I’ve been doing them for the last 26 years. Enough to realize how tricky it is to do solo, even with experience and training.  What she has been taught to do is to go into a static position in a safe room where her HD carbine lives. In this manner, I don’t feel the 16” gun is an issue.

 

 

 

 

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Others have hit the important points.  What works for her, is what she'll like, practice with and be confident with. Ammo and mag commonality if at all possible. Just don't let on about M-1 carbines. They are light, handy and simple. Females that aren't gun people love them.

Dave

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I have been trying to at least have Stalin and Peanut One become familiar with an AR.  Immediately,  they were both weight averse so I gave them a bone stock Colt SP-1.  So light it might float.  1/9 twist but who cares.  Since it would only leave the house for some fam fire at the range, no RDS.  Just a KAC RIS and a light for the house.

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And if you don't want her running a 70 yr old carbine, the new Ruger PC handles very similar.

Wife is 8 yr Army reserve, good with an A2. Does not care for optics or lights since she didn't use them in uniform. She has a 16" M&P15, LT 7 inch rail and LT103. At any reasonable distance i.e 300m and in... she hits anything she can see. Using a rifle for indoor festivities is more my thing, but she can defend or hold a position just fine. Room to room, she's trained,  just rusty.

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X-ray Dave posted:

Others have hit the important points.  What works for her, is what she'll like, practice with and be confident with. Ammo and mag commonality if at all possible. Just don't let on about M-1 carbines. They are light, handy and simple. Females that aren't gun people love them.

Dave

Not just Non-gun people. The wife has more firearms than I do, AAS in Firearm Technology, and still loves her M-1. She knows the limitations of the cartridge,  the ballistics, ect. roughly twice the energy as 357 from a handgun depending on what chart you read, able to take soda cans iron sighted at 100 yards. It has gotten to the point that in addition to matching-ish  ARs  and AUGs, I picked up a M1 Carbine, stuffed it into a paratrooper stock for me. I tried to find a different style folding one for the wife (southpaw) but she keeps reverting to the original she refinished herself years ago.

Location Texas.

 

"So what are you gonna do if we get hit on this trip?" "Me?, I'm going to shoot some good pics of you nuking their ass. You do your job, I'll do mine. If I have to do yours,(unless you're the medic) we're probably all screwed!" - Standard reply , from Desert Storm through Iraqi Freedom

BCM’s ELW barreled with K or MMR handguarded uppers are hard to beat...kinda for anyone, especially someone who wants something lightweight. I have them in both the 14.5” & 16” variants, they shoot. 

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Back when we first started dating "T" had never fired a gun.

Started her out on a Ruger 10/22 then she moved up to my 6920.  She was OK with it until the day I pulled grandpa's old depot rebuilt Inland out of the safe.

I haven't had a chance to shoot his M-1 carbine since.

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Ain't they cute?

If you have an "enabler" (friend/rental range) that has a rifle/carbine with a hearing safe can equipped freedom dispenser, let her shoot that as well.

My wife went from loving her 16" midlength carbine to wanting a 12.5" suppressor equipped gun for house duties and general plinking.

Location: in SE Idaho, the birthplace of television. 

MrMurphy posted:

And if you don't want her running a 70 yr old carbine, the new Ruger PC handles very similar.

Wife is 8 yr Army reserve, good with an A2. Does not care for optics or lights since she didn't use them in uniform. She has a 16" M&P15, LT 7 inch rail and LT103. At any reasonable distance i.e 300m and in... she hits anything she can see. Using a rifle for indoor festivities is more my thing, but she can defend or hold a position just fine. Room to room, she's trained,  just rusty.

I went the Ruger PC route for the wife/family rifle. 

We both rock glock 19s so the Ruger PC was a no brainer for us...

 

Like many others here, I bought my wife her own AR with what I thought she needed such as an MRDS, X300 etc...she shoots it well but, well she prefers to the exclusion of everything, wait for it, a KelTec Sub2000.

I originally bought it to throw in my old 4Runner, there was a compartment that it fit in exactly, after some really positive comments on this board way back when, think 10 plus years ago maybe.

We took the little rifle out and did a little fam fire at the range with it and, well, it never made it to the truck. In fact it got as far as her closet where it resides up to this very minute.

Takes the same mags as her Glock (prior duty weapon) and she can reliably make head shots on demand at 40-50 yards.  Its light, handy, mag compatible and well, most importantly she likes it and can shoot it well (plus it folds into a laptop case so it can go pretty much anywhere).  A lot to be said for the 'likes it' category, meaning, she trains with it and trusts it.  

I know it is a KelTec but it has worked fine for 10-12 years and frankly, since I depended on an MP5 for years for clearing houses-and still like it to be honest- I can't fault the 9mm inside its operational envelope.

The KelTec, now equipped with an X400, sling and some 33 round mags, makes her a force to be reckoned with inside 50 yards which, as a retired LEO, is a much longer range than she is normally faced with day to day where the rifle, or any long gun, would be available to her. 

I should have learned a long time ago that I would have been better off not trying to force feed her what I like or what I think is best but I didn't and, while there is a really nice AR inside the safe that is little used, all that did was put a spare AR in the safe not put a rifle / carbine in my wife's hands if she was to ever need it . My advice,work with her and find what she likes, handles well and makes the best sense overall-from her perspective.

Much like handguns, where the .380 on her person beats the 9mm/.40/.45 in the safe, an M1 Carbine, PC9 or even a KelTec that she will shoot is a much better option than the AR she won't.

Just my thoughts......

+1 on a lot of stuff here.  My wife and I when we were dating went to a gun show so she could handle some stuff the first long gun she bought was an AR pistol she has progressed now to her 2nd favorite gun a SCAR 16 ( her 1st is my M1 Garand and I refuse to let her have it...it’s in our vows).  Same thing with Pistols she started with a Glock 19 and now is into a HK USP compact or Glock 43.  Biggest thing is just letting her work through her likes.  Where are you in WA could always take her to a range and let her shoot a few to see what she like. 

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