Cold Weather Gloves

Hello,

Can anyone suggest a superior make and model of winter gloves that will keep the entire hand warm in sub-20 degree Fahrenheit weather and still allow some level of dexterity for handling a pistol, flashlight, etc.?

I would be outdoors and exposed to the elements for several hours so warmth is extremely important.

Thank you,

Tony

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Do you need constant access to those items? When we do cold weather medical, I layer, with a pair of climbing gloves inside OR mittens. When I'm on the move, I keep the mittens on, and go down to the gloves to work. I've been good to 0*F and sometimes below.

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No, I do not need constant access, While I would prefer a single glove solution I realize that might not be possible given the temperature range.  I can always dry practice my draw of the pistol while removing the mitten.

What make and model of gloves and mittens are you layering?

How do you size the mittens to allow for the additional space required by the gloves?

Tony

Basically, such a thing does not exist. I do as Malpaso suggested and have a system of layers that I will use to keep my hands working. Decent gloves coupled with mittens, handwarmer tubes, etc will help push usability down in the lower temps. I am also a big advocate of those disposable chemical hand warmers. I buy them by the case from Costco or Sams when they have them so I can distribute to friends and family. 

Whatever liner gloves you choose should be something you can get several pairs of. If I'm in and out of a car I will keep a spare set near the heater and rotate them through that position. This keeps a set of gloves warm and toasty for me to pull on and the used gloves can get thrown on the defrost or heater vent to dry and be warm when I am ready for a switch. 

Antonius posted:

What make and model of gloves and mittens are you layering?

I can get that for you this evening, I'll need to dig them out.

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Have you considered battery heated gloves?

I used military aviators gloves and the the combat crewman glove inside mitton.  

 

 

 

 

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Helped my SIL at REI over the holidays, she wants to learn to snow board.   I spent a lot of time downhill skiing over the years and learned a bit about cold.

They had several brands of oversized mittens and gloves that came with liners.  Not cheap (it was REI after all) but they were properly designed to create air space around the liner, pockets for heaters and grip enhancements.   You might look at their web page and get some ideas. 

Some choices from OR, https://www.outdoorresearch.co...C2%B0F+and+below=on#

I have the Highcamp gloves and I think my wife has the Mt. Baker mits.  Was snowshoeing at Mt. Rainier last week, temps in the 20's and rainy.  I used just the liners for most of the trip and was fine, but we were moving pretty steadily for a few hours.

 

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I layer Outdoor Research Windstopper gloves under a pair of their ski gloves (unknown model). The Windstopper are good by themselves for shooting or other tasks requiring dexterity, for temperatures over 40ish, or for a short period of time in colder temps. Like Geronimo, I have two pairs to rotate if need be. 

OR has a great pro program, 50% off retail price, and sales of up to 65% off.  They have a great selection of gloves, too. 

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I use the OR Windstopper gloves (PL400) as the thickest "contact" glove I can manipulate a weapon, flashlight, etc. with.  I use either the OR Firebrand glove shell or the jarhead mitt shell over that, depending on what I'm doing, with wrist lanyards attached.  Then you can de-glove quickly and not lose them in the snow or whatever.

The Windstoppers will work standalone down into the teens, but only if I stuff a hand warmer down in there.  But that is for early morning runs/rucks and wouldn't work for you, so yeah, you're gonna have to run a layered system.

If you have an REI near you, you can get a pretty good idea of what a good layered system might look like.  OR, North Face, and the REI house brand are all good stuff.  Kinda like buying boots, really helps if you can try them on in the store and see what contact gloves work with what shells.

I'm pretty sure they carry the OR Windstoppers.  So using that as a base, find a glove shell that works with them.  The sizes are all over the place, so hand-fitting is pretty much required.     

         

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Malpaso posted:
Antonius posted:

What make and model of gloves and mittens are you layering?

I can get that for you this evening, I'll need to dig them out.

Camelbac Impact Elite under Outdoor Research Snowline (no longer made)

Both are size L, so I'm guessing OR sizes their mittens to go over similar sized undergloves.

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3-in-1 Ice climbing/Ski gloves are what I've always like and used for handling near-Zero and Sub-Zero temps without loss of dexterity.  Certain firearms will require you to separate the outer-shell from liner to work the trigger, but aside from that the dexterity is pretty good and you're able to stay fully gloved up most of the time.  Best way to use it is to fabricate a little lanyard to connect the liner to the outer-glove, so that when finer motor skills are needed the outer-glove can be quickly removed and will hang out of the way but easily accessible for when you need to go back to "full glove".

For 5-finger Ice Climbing/Ski gloves I'd recommend looking at;

  • Black Diamond - Helio 3in1     <--have a set and love'em
  • OR - Alti
  • OR - Super Couloir (if you can find the older 3in1 version)



If you prefer the mitten route, I'd recommend looking at;

  • Black Diamond Guide Finger Glove (aka 3-finger lobster glove, had a pair... awesome)
  • OR Mutant Modular



If you have a local EMS or REI then you should be able to examine and try on the gloves before purchasing, but please keep in mind that the leather on the leather/gotex hybrid shells needs a break-in period for full dexterity. 

Also try to keep in mind that the cold weather effectiveness will vary from person to person, so what works for keeping me warm might not work for you. 
Regardless of which brand or type of glove/mitten you select, I strongly suggest that you purchase and always have on hand some of the 18hour "Super warmers" from Hothands for those time when your core or hands need a boost.

ggammell posted:

Are the Hot Hands Super Warmers any better than the standard kind?  Aside from going longer, are they hotter?

The rated maximum temperature they'll hit is 168f, and the average temperature over an 18hr period is rated at 140f, so on paper that makes them the hottest/warmest chemically activated hand-warmer product on the market that I'm aware of.  I'm confident the product information is pretty accurate because I haven't come across any chemical hand warmer product that cranks out the heat like those suckers... plus sometimes those 18hr warmers will still be giving off heat after 24hrs.

FYI: Using them as a cheap "hot pack" for muscle aches and pains works good too

I've been using OR Mutant Mitts for the last few years.  They are a thick outer mitt with a thin GoreTex liner.  They have the trigger finger by itself and the other 3 fingers together.  The best part is they are USGI and can be found at surplus stores so they cost a fraction of what their equivalent at REI would cost.  They are by far the warmest gloves I have ever owned and my hands have never got wet while wearing them. 

I know it's August and still freakin' hot for most of CONUS, but OR has the Convoy gloves back in stock.

I wore them for several winters while working in the high Sierra's, and they were probably the most durable and versatile winter gloves I've ever had.  They kept my hands warm and dry while in wet and snowy conditions down to about 20 degrees.  This includes putting on tire chains, shoveling, (a lot of shoveling), skiing, and standing around doing chain control.  They lack the dexterity of thinner gloves, (I wan't confident about my ability to draw and have accurate rounds downrange) but thinner gloves won't be as warm or durable as these.

A little pricey?  Yes.  But I got 4 winters of hard use out of them.  And they still look good.

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