Yeah, definitely  not a need but at the price I paid for BNIB it was too good to pass up.

This will undoubtedly be SBR'd and become a suppressor host.  Not as retro Uber Tacticool as my MP5SD I used for SWAT back in the day but still fun.

 

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I was tracking the 9mm buffer just wasnt sure if the tube was 9mm specific.  Thanks for the info.  I have my serious rifles, this is more just for fun + add to the collection.  Now to hunt down a 2 pos tube for the full retro feel.

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          -Frank R. Stockton

Ive gotten a few parts from them in the past, ive been pleased with their work.  I forgot they made those.

"A pirate is not the sort of a man who generally cares to pay his bills...and after a time the work of endeavoring to collect debts from pirates was given up."

          -Frank R. Stockton

MWL posted:

Do any departments other than DOE still use them? Do DOE still use them, rather than just retaining them in the inventory? What benefits have they found? Are they usually/always run suppressed?

Regards.

Mark

We still use them, the BOP (Federal Bureau of Prisons). They are older models with the fixed carry handles and 2 position stocks.

"When you go home, Tell them of us and say, For your tomorrow, We gave our today."

Know that I’m only speaking for my joint as we have joints all across the country.

Mostly because they are in inventory. We, the firearms instructors, would like to get rid of them since they use up more of our 9mm budget than we’d like even though they are fun as hell to shoot and we never have any problems with them during quals.

We keep them for our perimeter trucks because the higher ups think they are “safer” for over penetration than our 5.56 Colts due to the proximity of civilian structures near our particular prison. We use hollowpoints in 9 but FMJ in 5.56, don’t ask, we can’t get that changed. 

I’ve been told they use them a lot in the FDCs in major cities since they are usually high rises. 

We qual on 9mm pistol, Colt SMG, rifle or carbine 5.56 Colts, & 12ga 870s. The 5.56s are mostly for towers, which we don’t use anymore at my joint, and the perimeter trucks. But we use the SMGs like I stated above instead. We also keep an 870 and pistol in the trucks. 

"When you go home, Tell them of us and say, For your tomorrow, We gave our today."

Gunner posted:

I was tracking the 9mm buffer just wasnt sure if the tube was 9mm specific.  Thanks for the info.  I have my serious rifles, this is more just for fun + add to the collection.  Now to hunt down a 2 pos tube for the full retro feel.

Kind of like building a .308 gun, the answer on some of the parts interchangeability is "it depends".

A "real" 9mm buffer is longer and heavier than a standard carbine buffer. The 9mm bolts are heavier to accommodate the blow-back action, and are because there is no barrel extension - the 9mm bolt is approximately the same length as just the bolt carrier of a 5.56 gun. A standard length buffer will let the bolt travel too far to the rear. This is a problem with bolt catches because it allows the bolt to gain momentum on its return before hitting it, breaking them in short order. This can be solved with a spacer, but as mentioned above, a stack of quarters works just fine. Because PCC is getting so popular, "gamers" are playing with spring weights, buffer weights, and matching it to their ammo of choice to get the softest recoil/flattest shooting. There's some decent info out there about what some guys are using with good results. I built my PPC with parts I already had laying around or got super cheap used. The only parts I bought specifically for it were the lower (to use Glock mags), the barrel, and the bolt. I generally shoot factory 115gr ammo, but sometimes 124gr & 147gr, using an standard receiver extension, H3 carbine buffer, a .308 spring, and 8 quarters as a spacer (make sure they're behind the spring in the very end of the receiver extension). I've been very happy with the setup.

As to the "why" - many good reasons have already been stated. Cheaper practice, ability to use indoor ranges, etc. My primary reason was to shoot local PPC matches to become more familiar with operating the AR under a little stress. Someone somewhere said it way better than I could have: "I don't shoot to compete better. I compete to shoot better."

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