I’m active duty military currently assigned to a school with multinational students and large number of mid-career individuals.  Also my next duty station has been the site of multiple mass shootings.  I’m looking for concealable armor to wear under my uniform top during the duty day.  I’ll also wear the armor off duty when I go to shoot at public ranges or areas that might be target/higher probability of violence.   

My research has found that most on-base mass shootings were committed using handguns, oddly when enough .45s were the most often mentioned in news articles, the FN 5.7 was used at Hood and 9mms were also mentioned.  An AK Clone was used at Fairchild, an AR-15 was used at Bragg and an SKS was used at one of the recruiting centers, these represent the most dangerous enemy course of action.  I’m looking at pistols as the most probable.  This has me leaning towards IIIa soft armor due to weight/concealability. 

My current COA is to purchase a Velocity Systems IIIA BALCS in an Aramid, model VS-63A1.  I’ve already got a large set, which is a good size for over clothing or under a really bulky shirt.  I’ve tried on a size medium and it’s a better fit for concealed wear.  I’ve corresponded with the company and it sounds like the aramid will provide some protection from contact shots.  This will go into a SKD/Paraclete Low Vis BALCs carrier or maybe a Beez systems carrier.  The coyote SKD/Paraclete carrier dose not match the uniform undershirt, but the Beez khaki might.   

I’m also looking at the AT armor concealable level IIIA armor, the AT 29.  I sent them an email asking about contact shots, but haven’t heard back.  I’m also unsure about their sizing.  I’m betting they are busy or my email hit the spam filter.  I’ve purchased plates from them before and they have treated me well.

I’ve looked at other vests, but I don’t want to pay much more than $500-$600 unless someone here recommends it.  If there is affordable FBI/DEA rated soft armor I’d be very happy to look into it.  I prefer BALCs because I know BALCS sizing.  If there are other options like plates I should be looking at or If I need to reexamine  my threat assessment please let me know.

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BALCS cut armor has greater side overlap and overall profile that makes it more bulky.  I'd be looking at a concealment cut option regardless of the vendor. 

Several studies show most non-combat shootings are handgun with torso hits. Sounds like you are on the right track for mitigation

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I would not buy BALCS cut especially from VS when their Mayflower concealment cut is soooo much better.  Just get the appropriate size Mayflower Low Pro Assault Carrier in a slick format with either elastic or divided elastic cummerbunds and be done.  Properly sized it will work over or under a Uniform top and can accept plates and scalable cummerbunds.  As for the color the few times I had to work garrison MP type duties we either wore a t shirt over the soft armor or made a dickie out of an old t shirt that covered the vest naturally.

A friend did a similar thing for the same reason - working with lots of multinational students. He went with the Crye LVS and loves it, didn't have to size up on the top at all. Obviously that's a significant cost driver...

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Mayflower/Velocity Systems LPAC/LPAAC cut IIIA armor is your friend here. The cut is the same, the LPAC is the concealment carrier, the LPAAC is the MOLLE covered carrier.

Sizing is the same as BALCS/NATO. If you wear Large BALCS, you wear Large LPAC. The LPAC cut is trimmer than the BALCS and biases towards mobility.

Look towards the bottom of the page. There is picture series  that demonstrates the difference in cut between BALCS and LPAC.

https://www.lightfighter.net/t...-with-diagram?page=2

That used to be a sticky thread. I am not sure why it fell off.

Thank you for the replies.  I just heard back from Velocity and the rep stated that their aramid had been tested to DEA standard for contact shots.  I asked if this included the LPAC panels as well. I had seen Longeye's previous posts about the LPAC, I should have looked into the LPAC from the beginning. Several other members have commented on the LPAC, here and in PMs. MTF  

  

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DocGKR posted:

You want FBI compliant soft armor....

Doc, I'd been hoping you would stop in.  Is there a make/model I should be looking at?  Is my target price range 500-600 too low?

Thanks

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So Doc's comments open things up a bit.  I was loosely tracking the FBI and DEA protocols; I had read a 2008 copy of the FBI protocol V 2.0 (I think they are up to 4.1) from body armor news (Doc's name was in the document) and Armor express has tables of what they claim are the current test bullets in their 2019 catalog.  Armor express also claimed that their inserts were all FBI compliant, but when I looked at the spec sheets, it mentioned DEA and not FBI compliance or just NIJ compliance.   I found some indication that Safariland Summit was once FBI and DEA compliant,but the spec sheets don't say so.  There is the AXIIIA from point blank (who seems to have the FBI contract), but it's going for around a grand.  I've also found at least one model of HighCom that is listed as FBI/DEA compliant.

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Both the Velocity Systems VS13A and VS33A are compliant with FBI, DEA and SOCOM protocols last I checked. 

Velocity Systems sent me the test documents at one point. I no longer have them, but those two armor packages are reccomended. I have both, flip a coin. 

Longeye posted:

Both the Velocity Systems VS13A and VS33A are compliant with FBI, DEA and SOCOM protocols last I checked. 

Velocity Systems sent me the test documents at one point. I no longer have them, but those two armor packages are reccomended. I have both, flip a coin. 

Thanks Longeye.  The Velocity systems rep I was dealing with only mentioned the DEA protocl.  I'll ping them again, they have been very responsive.

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