Congressman Proposes allowing CMP to sell 1911's

Originally Posted by fmfbest:
My dad always tells me stories of how in the late 60's you could buy a GI 1911 for $25 which always seems so cheap.  He also pointed out that $ 25 was a working mans weekly salary back then to put it in perspective.  He has a mint all original GI 1911a1 made by Colt in Feb of 1944, the same month he was born.  What I'd give to have a time machine.

M1 and M-1 carbines were very cheap in the 1960s too. Federal reaction to Kennedy's killing caused long term changes to prices and supply of all surplus weapons.

 

Originally Posted by SMS:
Hopefully they set aggressive purchase limits, if it comes to fruition, in order to keep the dealers/resellers in check.

The goal should be to get guns into the hands of as many American shooters as possible, at reasonable cost, while funding marksmanship programs...since that's part of CMP's original mission.

I certainly agree with this especially considering that I love what the CMP is trying to do for the American people (particularly young shooters). However, are there any current restrictions as to the quantity of rifles one can purchase from the CMP as of now? There will always be the hoarder type collectors or folks looking to "flip" guns for profit, but such is life. The folks who would buy up as many of these things as they can are still helping out with the other functions that the CMP carries out with great haste.

The limit is currently 12 rifles per year.

 

Per (the now retired) COO Orest Michaels, the purpose of the CMP sales was to fund the CMP first and foremost, with other considerations being secondary.  Assuming that's still the mindset (it probably is) then I'd expect the nicer guns to be auctioned by the CMP, and the not so nice guns to be sold at prices equal to higher than what the equivalent (non DCM/CMP) 1911 would sell for.  People would pay a premium for the CMP box and papers, and better that profit goes to the CMP than a reseller.

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Originally Posted by fmfbest:
My dad always tells me stories of how in the late 60's you could buy a GI 1911 for $25 which always seems so cheap.  He also pointed out that $ 25 was a working mans weekly salary back then to put it in perspective.  He has a mint all original GI 1911a1 made by Colt in Feb of 1944, the same month he was born.  What I'd give to have a time machine.

 

$17.00 delivered in 1961. This one was purchased by my father-in-law, but is now in my custody.

 

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The President signed the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2016 -- it's now the law.

 

It has some drastic shit in there (a total re-vamp of the military retirement system) -- but the CMP is authorized to sell off any surplus US Army small arms not otherwise prohibited by the National Firearms Act.

 

There are around 400,000 M1911s and A1s (including National Match pistols) excess to Army requirements at Anniston ranging in condition from perfect / Smithsonian and Army Museum grade to about 40% worthy only for their cannibalization value.

 

Any and all weapons that went into war storage were refurbished to Condition-A, Ready-to-Issue with Basic Issue Items (a cleaning kit, a two-magazine OD green cotton web pouch for the old-style pistol belt, and three GI magazines).

 

Changing the CMP's charter wording allowing sale of "Rifles" to "Firearms" allows them to sell all excess and obsolete MWR and ROTC weapons as well (including .22 target pistols and shotguns).

I don't want one as a practical fighting arm, but I would love to have one as part of our heritage, along with an M-1, M-2 Carbine, M1903 and my M1917.  

 

CMP, I'll be watching and waiting...

 

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I do believe I'll be spending some money!

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This is what I have been waiting for. Now to figure out what I need to do to get one.

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You need to be a member of a CMP-affiliated organization or club.

 

If you have an active, Guard, Reserve, or retired ID card, or if you have a DD-214 you're covered.  I believe LEOs are also covered but I don't remember for sure.

 

Register with the CMP and get a customer ID number.

Originally Posted By Sinister:

From my earlier post this now includes ALL non-NFA restricted firearms (to include excess and worn-out National Match 45s; MWR .22 pistols and shotguns; USAF security and aircrew revolvers; and any other odd-caliber or small-lot weapons like Alaska Scout 300 Win Mag Model 70s, USAMU Olympic weapons like .22 short pistols and shotguns, etc.).

 

This appears to be one of the 300 pistols USAMU modified for 3rd SF Group's 2005-6 rotations to Afghanistan:

 

Come to think of it, any worn-out/excess or not-economical-to-repair MEU-SOC pistols would be included if MTOEs or the Marines' equivalent of TDAs say old stocks will not be retained and they're to be transfered to the Army for disposition.

The frenzy that will ensue if/when these sales start will make Black Friday look like child's play. 

I remember the Internet breaking a few years ago when they announced a Garand bayonet sale.  A 1911 sale will make this pale in comparison...

"Hope is not a course of action" - A. "Bucket" Pryor

Well I guess my time in the USMC was good for something after all besides hair loss and heart burn.

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I honestly thought this would never happen considering Obumbo's stance on gun ownership.  There must have been something else in this bill he wanted bad enough to let this slide.. Well, anyway now it's law. I don't think I need to tell anybody that this is probably a once in a lifetime opportunity, not seen since the early 60's and after this time around, won't be seen ever again. If anyone even thinks they want one, this is your chance. Start saving your coins, now.

Of course this just opens the door for the transfer from DoD to CMP...it doesn't mandate it.  I'd be shocked if we see it occur any time soon.

"Hope is not a course of action" - A. "Bucket" Pryor

Originally Posted by Sinister:

You need to be a member of a CMP-affiliated organization or club.

 

If you have an active, Guard, Reserve, or retired ID card, or if you have a DD-214 you're covered.  I believe LEOs are also covered but I don't remember for sure.

 

Register with the CMP and get a customer ID number.

 

 

     I checked about what would work last year and got this in reply via email:

 

 
 

 

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Originally Posted by SMS:
The frenzy that will ensue if/when these sales start will make Black Friday look like child's play. 

 

Pretty much! The line starts behind me, and I am down for 5. 1 NM gun, 1 duty, 2 for my boys, and one to MSLMOD to a RDS gun.

Don't hold your breath.
CMP forum mods are deleting posts about this as fast as they go up. Politics right now aren't right.

Also the issue of how the guns are shipped is up in the air.

And the guns MIGHT be given to the army. Its not written that they shall be.
Originally Posted by redneckemt:
Don't hold your breath.
CMP forum mods are deleting posts about this as fast as they go up. Politics right now aren't right.

Also the issue of how the guns are shipped is up in the air.

And the guns MIGHT be given to the army. Its not written that they shall be.

That's supposed to say be given from the Army. 

Originally Posted by jb4874:

For those looking for an inexpensive CMP affiliated club, I found this organization with open membership and a $25 membership fee.

 

http://thegca.org

I'm already there.  Nice club with a great magazine every quarter.

kwg

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Originally Posted by Longeye:
Originally Posted by SMS:
The frenzy that will ensue if/when these sales start will make Black Friday look like child's play. 

 

Pretty much! The line starts behind me, and I am down for 5. 1 NM gun, 1 duty, 2 for my boys, and one to MSLMOD to a RDS gun.

Why mod one when there are plenty of new manufacture guns suitable for that without destroying history?

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According to the forums at CMP, this is all still contingent upon the SecArmy as it states that he "may" transfer.

 

Now, I'd normally say that this stands a far better chance of getting approved by SecArmy than the trainwreck that is Mabus, but I'm not going to hold my breath that any any of this happens quickly, or during this administration.

A Necro Post, yes.

But is this really going to happen?

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/24/trump-permit-citizens-buy-military-surplus-1911-pistols/

 

President Trump is set to sign the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, which contains an amendment that allows U.S. citizens to acquire military surplus 1911 pistols.

The sales will occur under the auspices of the Civilian Marksmanship Program, which has been selling approved military surplus weapons to citizens for more than 100 years.

According to the International Business Times, it currently costs the U.S. military approximately $2 a day to store one pistol, and there are an estimated 100,000 1911s that are being stored. So that is a $200,000 expenditure the military can erase and replace with a profit, or at least of a recoup of costs, by selling the firearms.

The 1911 is one of the most popular handguns ever developed. It is valued for military use, home defense, self-defense, and concealed carry. Although the military’s 1911s were made by Colt, citizens have long been purchasing civilian models from Colt as well. These range from the basic government model to 1911s with finely tuned triggers and target barrels that allow for incredible accuracy in competitive shooting.

Kimber, Sig Sauer, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Rock Island, Springfield Armory, and others produce numerous 1911 variants for the civilian market each year as well. But through the Civilian Marksmanship Program, Americans will not only acquire a 1911, but a piece of U.S. military history, an exciting opportunity.

AWR Hawkins is the Second Amendment columnist for Breitbart News and host of Bullets with AWR Hawkins, a Breitbart News podcast. He is also the political analyst for Armed American Radio. Follow him on Twitter: @AWRHawkins. Reach him directly at awrhawkins@breitbart.com.

To all CMP constituents:
 
The CMP Board of Directors has discussed at length how the sales of 1911s would be handled, if the CMP were to ever receive them from the United States Army.
 
Some preliminary decisions:
 
  1. Decisions concerning the grade and pricing of the 1911s will not be made until inspection has occurred of a substantial quantity which will take an estimated 150 days post receipt.
  2. All laws pertaining to the sale of 1911s by CMP will be strictly obeyed.
  3. Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:  1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) successful completion of a NICS background check, 6) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. 
  4. The CMP customer will be required to complete a form 4473 in person and successfully complete another NICS check by the recipient FFL holder before the pistol can be transferred.
  5. Qualified CMP customer will only be allowed to purchase one 1911 per calendar year.
  6. No 1911s available in the CMP stores, or on line, only mail order sales.
  7. CMP will set the date in which it will accept orders for the 1911s. The date will be posted to the world.
  8. Orders will only be accepted via mail order delivery.
  9. Orders will only be accepted post marked on the date or after, no early orders.
  10. Once CMP receives 10,000 orders, customer names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator.
  11. The Random Number Generator will provide a list of names in sequence order through a random picking process to CMP. 
  12. Customers will be contacted in the sequence provided by the Random Number Generator.
  13. When the customer is contacted a list of 1911 grades and pricing options that are available will be offered for selection of one.
  14. As CMP proceeds down the sequenced list less grade and pricing options will be available. Again, this done completely random.
 
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program

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I see they issued a correction on number 4.  You do NOT have to come in person.  CMP simply needs to do a NICS check. 

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Rifleman716 posted:

Wow!

I guess they are going weed out the faint of heart.  Lots of hoops to jump through. 

Really it’s the normal CMP hoops with the added step of shipping to a dealer vs shipping right to your door with rifle sales.

"Hope is not a course of action" - A. "Bucket" Pryor

Yes,

Now that you mention it, It is like the purchase process for an M1 Garand.  It's the random number generator and the one per year limit, that will be a surprise to those who thought they would be able to buy as many as they wanted, at the CMP stores. 

Status of the CMP 1911s, 1/29/2018:
 
The CMP has been authorized to receive 8,000 1911 type pistols from the United States Army.
 
The 1911s have been received by the CMP.  A complete inventory will be conducted over the course of this week. The pistols will then be securely stored until the Army-approved 1911 building and armory infrastructure is completed.  That completion is anticipated to be approximately 60 days from now. Once the 1911 armory is completed, inspection, grading, repair, and ultimately test firing of the pistols will begin. (Please be aware that the CMP was led to believe that we were ready to move forward, but three weeks ago facility requirements were changed, and we are now fulfilling those requirements.)
 
The CMP 1911 order packet will be posted 90 days prior to the order acceptance date and opening sales date. No orders will be accepted prior to that date. Please visit www.thecmp.org, click on the Sales icon then 1911 Information, for the latest. CMP customer service has been inundated with calls and emails concerning the 1911s and no further information is available at this time.
 
The CMP will keep everyone posted as we move through this process.
 
Mark Johnson
Chief Operating Officer
Civilian Marksmanship Program

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Absolute bedlam and chaos.

I wonder if I should try and get involved? Camp Perry is only an hour away for me?

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I might throw my name in the pile..but I really only want a match pistol...so maybe not

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I called the CMP this morning with a question concerning the eligibility requirements that will also apply to some of you here at LF'er. 

From the CMP 1911 page:

"Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting:  1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01, or 02, or 07 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to."

I work in Afghanistan most of the year and simply don't have time to join an affiliated club and compete in Marksmanship activities so I asked if my retired military ID and/or retired LEOSA ID card/annual range qualification with the Sheriff's Office would fulfill any of those requirements.  The very nice lady on the phone informed me that either of those would fulfill both of the requirements listed in 2, and 3.

I have never purchased anything from the CMP but I would love to have any WWII era 1911; I don't care about rarity, manufacturer, condition, etc., I just want something that I can shoot that may have been used in WWII by America's Greatest Generation to save the world; to hold history.

The CMP 1911 page:

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

 

 

 

 

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