Has anyone heard of Contingency Procurement Group, Inc and their ballistic helmets? I saw a picture of one on Instragram the other day and have had my eye on them since. I originally thought that it was pretty odd that they were selling ballistic helmets on sale for $350 so I did some more digging. From what I could find, they're a new company without any name/product recognition so they dropped their prices for the month from the $995 MSRP to generate some business. They posted the ballistic test report where they claim that it is Level IIIA but I don't know how legit that is. Here's the link to their site http://cpgroup-inc.com/

 

What do you guys think? Hell of a deal or junk product?

 

BTW, it's marketed as a veteran owned business.

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I have no idea of anything to do with the actual product, but as a general rule, one thing I do not want to be the beta tester of is a ballistic helmet.

 

That being said, look for the laboratory that did the test. See if you can collaborate it through them.  If you can't collaborate the test, that's a sign.

"Hold my beer and watch this"

Originally Posted by quackhead:

Where are you seeing them on sale for $350.00? I've never heard of them. I'm curious as to who's helmet they are selling?


According to his posts on Instagram as @cpgroupinc

 

He posted "Use coupon code cpg4800 to get these helmets at the incredible price of $350 each (for a limited time only) www.cpgroup-inc.com"

 

From what I've read in the comments it looks like he makes them himself but the pictures look exactly like the Ops-Core ones.

 

I should add that I have no affiliation with the company and I haven't even had a conversation with anyone from the company. I'm just curious because it would put a ballistic helmet within my price range that I could use for training on my personal time.

NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. These are those Chinese kevlar shells discussed previously.

https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/arma-core-helmets

https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/chinese-helmets

 

Aside from ripping off of Ops-Core's Intellectual Property, they're questionable in terms of ballistics.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

Originally Posted by PlasticMag:

NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. These are those Chinese kevlar shells discussed previously.

https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/arma-core-helmets

https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/chinese-helmets

 

Aside from ripping off of Ops-Core's Intellectual Property, they're questionable in terms of ballistics.

How were you able to tell?

This is posted on their site and makes it sound like they manufacture these helmet shells themselves. Misleading to say the least.

 

"NOTE: These are not stock items. Each one is fabricated on a per order basis. In order to meet the NIJ protection standards the Kevlar and resins need time to cure. Therefore, fabrication and delivery times run between 10 to 15 days."

 

The hardware and the material looks identical to the knock-offs, so that's what I based that off of. If they're really hand-made I'll be very surprised.

 

I'm no expert, but I know of very few outfits that can hand-make Kevlar shells.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

I called and they are made offshore.  The rails and shroud are "Ops Core like" COTs- I'm inking Airsoft knockoff parts.  He claims the shell is NIJ 06 tested - the test sheet on the website looks sketchy to me- shouldn't they test other calibers like 9mm? 

 

Originally Posted by PlasticMag:
Originally Posted by quackhead:

I called and they are made offshore.

Called it.

I called as well and was told the same. I asked about who the hardware was manufactured by and I was told that it was "proprietary" and that he didn't share that info. When I responded "Thank you", he started to say something and then hung up.

Guess all of this answers my original question. Thanks guys.

Reality.
MICH/ACH are available in droves for not very much.
You can add rails and NV mounts as desired.
Not as light as the high tec helmets, but viable.

Want top shelf?

Crye Airframe, OpsCore Fast ballistic, or Team Wendy Exfil.

I have all three, and all three are absolutely excellent.
TW may be more available than the others.

But the are all going to me more or less in the 1K price.

You get what you pay for

Originally Posted by jmazz:
Originally Posted by PlasticMag:

NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. NOPE. These are those Chinese kevlar shells discussed previously.

https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/arma-core-helmets

https://www.lightfighter.net/topic/chinese-helmets

 

Aside from ripping off of Ops-Core's Intellectual Property, they're questionable in terms of ballistics.

How were you able to tell?

This is posted on their site and makes it sound like they manufacture these helmet shells themselves. Misleading to say the least.

 

"NOTE: These are not stock items. Each one is fabricated on a per order basis. In order to meet the NIJ protection standards the Kevlar and resins need time to cure. Therefore, fabrication and delivery times run between 10 to 15 days."

 

 

This just means he does not stock them, and it takes about that long to call/email his PRC supplier and have one sent from Peoples State Industrial Factory #47. Sometimes they get slowed down in customs and so it may take 10-15 days to get here from there.

BPM has military contract overrun helmets in the mid $200's and also have some of the "cool guy" ones with rails and velcro for a few hundy more.  Not affiliated with them, but i have bought plates from them and they are really easy do do business with
Originally Posted by Williamlcornett:
The test report is real. This is a start up company. I have a masters degree in business administration and I am an entrepreneur and product developer. CPG is an American company incorporated in Ohio. I, like just about every company in America, leverage offshore resources in order to keep costs low so I can compete in the open market. How else do you think you can buy a real aramid fiber NIJ IIIA class helmet for $350. Come on guys think about it. I have hundreds of completely satisfied customers and offer a money back guarantee. Your negative risk is mitigated. Pretty much anything you buy in America is now sourced offshore. This phone I am typing on, the TV in watching, the underwear I'm wearing, hell even my wife's dildo is made offshore.

I'm all for buying American made products too. When I can afford them. I'm a veteran of the USAF, and currently a MSgt. E7 in the Air National Guard. I bleed red white and blue. I'm an FFL linsebced gun dealer (but don't chase gun sales). There are no plans anywhere I can find that tell you how to make a bullet proof helmet. I had to build prototypes and field test them myself until I came up with a light weight NIJ IIIA solution. 19 layers of cross hatched 55 thread count aramid fiber resin bonded material pressed at over 350 tons. I will post animation of my solid works 3D design files in a day or so.

OK.  Whats the link to the HP White sheet?

 

Is it the one floating all over the internet for ONE helmet that was tested?

 

How do you insure the helmets are indeed using ARAMID fibers?  Is there a lot control program for those sheets of fibers?  When were they made?  Where they inspected?

 

Is there a QA/QC program for the laying down of those fibers?  How do you or I know that they are layed down cross hatched?  

 

Is the epoxy resin inspected for same performance between pots?  Is the mix time & cure time being tracked?  What about precursor chemicals used for the epoxy resin?  Are those controlled & annotated?

 

Are the helmets inspected for proper cure rates?

 

How do you insure QUALITY ASSURANCE or QUALITY CONTROL for these helmets made to "YOUR" specifications?

 

How do you INSURE these are made and can indeed PROTECT to LEVEL IIIa between lots?

 

Then there are the CHEAP nylon webbing straps and pads made to LOOK legit.

 

  Have these helmets been TESTED for IMPACT resistance and SHOCK protection?  How do we know these straps will even work?

 

THE NEGATIVE RISK PEOPLE ARE EXPRESSING IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT YOU ARE SELLING CHINESE MADE, CUT RATE "LIFE SAVING" EQUIPMENT THAT HAS NO-ZERO OVERSIGHT & QA/QC.

 

A money Back Guarantee?   Does my widow get that as well as a MULTI-MILLION dollar WARRANTY if this helmet fails to stop the threat it SAYS it can protect against?

 

If I am going to buy Chinese helmets, WHY from you?  Why not staight from China and then get them for $300 shipped cutting out you the "Middle Man"?

 

ALIBABA.

 

Yes, I own many things that are made off shore at a cut rate.  NONE of them are LIFE SUPPORT or LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT.  I can mitigate & balance the the risk for my cell phone dying, its not CRITICAL for my life.  Not true for my head!

 

These past overseas wars have SHOWN the IMPORTANCE of BRAIN and HEAD PROTECTION!  Not buying proper or GOOD protection for ones head is just plain DUMB.

~Will

 




 

 

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Originally Posted by Wild_Willie:
These past overseas wars have SHOWN the IMPORTANCE of BRAIN and HEAD PROTECTION!  Not buying proper or GOOD protection for ones head is just plain DUMB.

I'm 100% with Wild_Willie. My life was saved in Afghanistan by my ACH when a rocket exploded in front of me. A fragment embedded into the kevlar so deep that it pushed in the kevlar creating a bump on the inside of the helmet (doing exactly what it was supposed to do). I got off easy that time (TBI and multiple serious injuries to other parts of my body) but I would be dead if my ACH failed me. Not a risk I'd be willing to take to save money. I'll abide by Pat's advice and pick up a used ACH or save for something better with proven reliability.

Originally Posted by Williamlcornett:
The test report is real. This is a start up company. I have a masters degree in business administration and I am an entrepreneur and product developer. CPG is an American company incorporated in Ohio. I, like just about every company in America, leverage offshore resources in order to keep costs low so I can compete in the open market. How else do you think you can buy a real aramid fiber NIJ IIIA class helmet for $350. Come on guys think about it. I have hundreds of completely satisfied customers and offer a money back guarantee. Your negative risk is mitigated. Pretty much anything you buy in America is now sourced offshore. This phone I am typing on, the TV in watching, the underwear I'm wearing, hell even my wife's dildo is made offshore.

 

 

All I can say is you have a tough row to hoe. Brand new, USA made, USGI milspec helmets, made by a current military contractors are selling for $400 in today's market. These are the exact same helmets that have collected and stopped scrap metal from embedding itself in our friends heads. We have seen them work. They have lot numbers and trace back numbers.

 

The holes are drilled in blueprinted locations, so that any standard aftermarket parts fit. The shapes are similar from one brand to another, so sizing is uniform.  If I buy a XL Gentex, I know that is going to fit exactly like a XL BAE or MSA helmet I may have had previously.

 

That extra $50 bucks buys me a lot more than $50 worth of value.  

 

Call me xenophobic, but any gear I use to take lives, save lives, or patch holes in lives is not being bought from China. The very vast majority of it is USA made. Sure it costs more, but I have assurances in the USA market that I cannot get out of the Peoples Republic of China, State labor factory number 47.

 

Plus, keeping that dollar here provides veteran and others with good jobs. If I have a choice between providing a job for one American or three Chinese, the American is getting the job.

 

As Wild Willie has noted, there is more to ongoing QA/QC than having one report from one lab on one article.

 

You may have a great product at a fair price, but at least in this crowd you will not get a lot of interest at any price, just because of it's origins. If it was sourced in North America or Europe, and offered substantial advantage over the competing product it would sell well at twice that price.

 

 

No offense sarge, but you haven't done yourself any favors here.Most of the people on this board are very serious users of these products. In fact, I'm guessing more than a few have helmets with a dingt or two from the intended use.

 

You've received some very serious questions from a extraordinarily credible SME who has probably forgotten more about this subject than I will certainly ever know. Answering with some silliness about an MBA and you're wife's dildo doesn't exactly scream credibility. It screams diversion.

 

What they should have taught you in MBA-land is this is opportunity knocking. But apparently they did not. So you not only refused to answer the door, you sent an angry dog after the caller.

 

Now I doubt he's coming back. But if you want to inform us how your a 3E8X1, engineer or have some other relevant experience, have certified people designing and working on this or want to answer any number of Willie's very cogent questions- you may be able to save some face. Otherwise, IMHO this was a complete fail and a waste of time for the professionals on this board.

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"I never said it was made in China."

 

True, you never actually used the phrase "made in China".

 

What you did say (and I have highlighted the relevant bits for you), implies that they are not made in the US:

 

"I, like just about every company in America, leverage offshore resources in order to keep costs low so I can compete in the open market. How else do you think you can buy a real aramid fiber NIJ IIIA class helmet for $350. Come on guys think about it. I have hundreds of completely satisfied customers and offer a money back guarantee. Your negative risk is mitigated. Pretty much anything you buy in America is now sourced offshore. This phone I am typing on, the TV in watching, the underwear I'm wearing, hell even my wife's dildo is made offshore."

 

The whole "I am a Veteran", "this is a startup" doesn't fly. I am a veteran, I run a startup, and I only sell products made in the US, Canada and Western Europe. Most of my customers go in harms way, and I will never compromise by selling them substandard equipment just to make a quick buck.

 

Why don't you just answer the questions that were asked, provide supporting documents as requested, and settle the matter like a man?

 

Many on this site go in harms way, and rely on their equipment to save lives. This is not some wannabe, airsofter site, and you might just find that our reach is further than you could possibly imagine.

 

Regards.

 

Mark

Formerly known as ML

I had to go look on BookFace to find the data sheet and helmet pics. [Also found them on the website, under tab STANDARDS]

 

Just to be clear: This is NOT an H.P. White endorsement of NIJ protection, just ONE helmet, shot 4 times.  Unless there are more supporting documents...?

 

 





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NIJ-STD-0106.01



https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/077182.pdf

4. REQUIREMENTS

4.1 Sampling for Test Three helmets, size 7 l/4 and selected at random, shall constitute a test sample.





 





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from CPGroup website:



 http://cpgroup-inc.com/  [Found under tab STANDARDS]

 

On March 9th, 2015 we sent our first unit to H.P. White Ballistic Laboratories for analysis.  The unit was tested to the NIJ Ballistic Resistance Standard-0101.06. It took almost a week to get he results and when we did we were well pleased. THe helmet met the standards with zero penetrations. We are pleased to be able to offer this fine ballistic product to the brave men and women of Law Enforcement and the Armed Forces.





 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~Will

 




 

 

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Originally Posted by Williamlcornett:
Come on guys think about it. I have hundreds of completely satisfied customers and offer a money back guarantee.

 

Satisfied and protected... hmmm, those have never been entirely seperate entities when applied to armor products.


Eh, you know what - fuck my entire response. Your Mister Bad Ass, your PiMP status, and your FFL are all the creds I need to make an informed decision. I mean fuck me, you're even President of your own company. I'll take my turn on your meat whistle when ever you're done with it.

 

One question though - and I'd rather if someone other than Mr Cornett answers: Does mixing up your own DIY 350 ton pressed brain buckets for internal testing and then sending the design overseas for production violate ITAR?

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Originally Posted by Williamlcornett:
I never said it was made in China. That Willie cat did. Just because I make available for inspection one lab report doesn't mean that's the only QA record we have. At $350 per helmet (high cut not ACH) I am losing money per helmet. These Chinese venders I am accused of being the middle man to can't even sell them that cheap.

I'm not going to fight or try and change any minds, I just wanted to address some negative perceptions about our product.

Sincerely,
William Cornett, MBA, PMP, FFL
Proud US Veteran

OIF| OEF

Easy tiger.  

 

You are running a start-up, that's stressful enough.  

 

A start-up in the Armor Industry, you gotta toughen up, because EVERYONE is going to question the VALIDITY and VIABILITY of your protection product line!

 

I too worked in the armor industry.  Bomb Suits.  Thats a tough sell!  How did the original owner of Med-Eng test his products?  He put on the bomb suit and set-off 1 pound charges in front of him!

 

Richard L'Abbe: http://www.people.com/people/a.../0,,20126023,00.html

 

The lawyers made him stop after about 17 detonations!  By then other standards were developed by Med-Eng and adopted by NIJ into their bomb suit standard!

 

  Now THATS validity!

 

 

 

You saying "Its NIJ IIIa" doesn't make it "NIJ IIIa independently verified".

 

 

 

 

Actually, I never wrote that your product WAS made in China, I wrote this:

 

Originally Posted by Wild_Willie:
If I am going to buy Chinese helmets, WHY from you?  Why not staight from China and then get them for $300 shipped cutting out you the "Middle Man"?

 

 Which, you allude to your helmets being made overseas, and defended overseas production.   So, I just figured that since the Chinese are making a knock-off FAST helmet around the same price range, and jumped to a conclusion.   I apologize for being wrong.

 

 

 

Where are your helmets made?

 

 

 

I contacted HELEN XIE (Sales Manager) at NanChang JJW Industry Co.,Ltd

 

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...FOB$210-$222 is the OPS-CORE FAST ballistic helmet...



 

 

 

 

~Will

 




 

 

   Anybody can blow something up, but to disarm anothers bomb, this is when talent, skill, bravery & LUCK will all determine "Success or Failure".  

 

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And....Williamlcornett....you wait 8 fucking months after the last post on the thread to "report" it mentioning libel? That right there tells me all I need to know about your product. At this point I wouldn't use your helmets for damn planter (let alone depend on one as actual protection) if you sent me a case for free.  Stick to selling to airsoft kids....

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kindatelling that he's deleting his posts in this thread and trying to flag every post that doesn't agree with him.....

------------------------------------- "A True Warrior knows neither Left or Right"  Looking for a doc who can fix my allergies.. Stupid People and IED's...

David Reeves posted:

kindatelling that he's deleting his posts in this thread and trying to flag every post that doesn't agree with him.....

Oh snap. I thought his posts were gone because he got clubbed with the ban hammer.

It's even worse if he's nuking himself. Solid work quoting him earlier as his posts remain.

Telling indeed. 

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So a buddy and I pitched in together be the guinea pig and pick up one of these helmets while they were doing a sale for $299. They are listed on their website for a little over $1,000. Once you add the coupon code, it lowers the price to 299. As the site said, it took 15-20 days for them to notify whoever the manufacturer is ( probably some place in China )  to press the helmet and let it cure. They kept me up on things via email throughout the process and notified me as soon as it shipped. It was shipped via USPS priority mail and arrived 3 days after it shipped. It arrived in a box, pretty well packed with Bubble wrap and in a cheap nylon drawstring bag with the CPG logo stenciled on it. I could smell the  resins or whatever is used to cure the helmet pretty strongly right away. First impressions are that its no where near the quality of an Op's-Core FAST, although it is pretty much an exact replica as far as design, shape and features. It uses a very similar retention system to the OCC dial. The retention system and padding are probably the weakest part of the helmet, and I don't think I woukd use the helmet without upgrading the padding and chinstrap to some aero pads and an H-nape at the VERY LEAST. Preferably I would replace the whole system with something from either Op's-Core or Team Wendy. The ARC rails or replicas of the ARC rails are okay and seem to function fine. The 3 hole shroud that it ships with is a little crappy. I don't own any nods, but I had an old Rhino mount/j-arm sitting around which I clicked into the shroud and noticed it has a pretty loose fit. I would definitely want to replace that shroud of I were planning on using the helmet with NVG's. The pads are pretty terrible as well, pretty hard and uncomfortable. The shell and rails are pretty much the only decent parts.. But that is only considering the price that I paid for it. I would NEVER spend 1,000 on this helmet. I don't know how they ever expect to charge that with the quality of product they are putting out. I don't have a FAST to compare it to on hand, but it also feels a bit heavier than other high cut helmets I've worn. I will take some more in depth photos of the helmet, inside and out, along with how it was shipped and the paperwork they sent it with. In the box they included a manual, and a copy of the ballistics testing from HP White Labs. I recently picked up the ARC rail adapters and SARA adapters from Iron Forged Concepts to allow me to use the Arc adapters with one of my sets of MSA Sordins. Sidenote; Iron Forged a Concepts now has SARA kits for both the regular headband, and neck and versions of the Sordin or Liberator headsets. Here s the only pictures I have of the helmet right now , but I will take some more.  

DISCLAIMER:

I know its not the best idea to purchase protective equipment from a company with no reputation and  not much experience, however I understand the risk completely and purchased this helmet to use as something to mount my headset or camera to for filming, and  to be the guinea pig for others who were maybe curious about these helmets.  To be honest, I was very curious about it myself. I do not intend on using this particular helmet in dangerous scenarios. If I were a contractor or purchasing a helmet for a deployment, I would most certainly purchase it from a reputable manufacturer, not a small unknown company such as Contingency Procurement Group. I may end up doing some ballistic testing myself with some pistol rounds if there's interest or I don't end up finding a use for the helmet. 

 

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Yup. I first noticed the company because of all the facebook ads advertising the $299 and $399 sales. I immediatley did a Google search and tried to find out some information on them. All I really came up with was this thread, everything else was put out by the company itself. I really just wanted to see what the deal was. I have since seen a few other helmet manufacterers that seem to be using the same replica OCC dial type retention system and rails and shrouds so I'm assuming they are sourcing them from the same place overseas. I don't know where the shells are made at. With a 15-20 day turn around Im guessing they could still pull that off if they were manufactured in a China. What was the situation with Hoplite? I haven't heard of them or anything about it.

Wow. Just looked up Hoplite Armor. Some interesting concepts. Never seen a hard armor deltoid plate before..: Can't see that being all that useful. I guess maybe if you were a a turret gunner or something. I definitely wouldn't want to be wearing those in any sort of dismounted operation if I were military and deployed. Just judging from the site alone it doesn't seem anywheres near as shady as Contingency Procurement Group, but as I said before I don't know anything about them.

Reason I mentioned the Hoplite Armor was the owner answers the comments in the same douche manner as the CPC guy, could be legit product for all I know, but the owner definitely came out hypersensitive and belligerent..like how dare you question my product...I'm thinking hmmm must be a really small shop and I think dude's attitude has a lot to do with it..

 

The CPC guy runs around ansewring comments on FB and I mentioned hey weren't you that guy that got grilled at LF...of course he pulls the DB routine and denies it. He edits the posts on FB too...total DB...

 

 

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