It helps a lot if your family is used to eating the type of foods you are putting up. We have lived in SoCal for 40 years, so we're in touch with our inner-Mexicans. If you don't presently, try to  work some rice and bean meals into your routine. Whole wheat berries keep well, but it would be good to have a small mill to process them as you use them.  Oatmeal doesn't store as well as rice and beans, but will last for years properly stored. Sorry, if you're on a strict paleo diet. 

The enemies of food storage are oxygen, light, heat and pests.

 

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HomoSepian posted:

Home-based quarantine is likely to be the social-isolation method that will be used. 

So yeah... might be a good idea to buy some extra food, and other sundries... like toilet paper.  This virus has GI symptoms... so you're going to go through the latter more quickly. 

I do not expect basic services to break down.  This isn't the apocalypse. 

I 100% agree with all of this.  While this is a perfect time to evaluate/re-evaluate your emergency preparedness for all types of events, I suspect that this COVID-19 pandemic will not have a significant effect on the majority of Americans, much in the same way H1N1 in 2009 didn't either.  There almost certainly will not be a total breakdown of society anyways.  To put things into some perspective, the local news interviewed a local guy living in China who was quarantined in his apartment--he was ordering food from and app on his phone.  Welcome to 2020!

The initial (and ongoing I guess) debacle of China trying to save face and mishandling the crisis along with the drama of people being quarantined/stranded on cruise ships has hyped it and spread panic, but when you dig beneath the headlines and hype, this doesn't seem like too much more than a bad flu outbreak.  Personally, I would not travel overseas right now if I didn't have to, especially to Asia, and would prefer not to travel on an airplane or cruise ship either.  People talk about schools closing because of this (in the U.S.) but some schools closed because of H1N1 and the seasonal flu too.  It's not unprecedented.  

Unless you're someone who's particularly high risk (elderly, compromised immune system, frequent traveler) or around those who are you probably don't need to run out and buy a mask right now.  In fact, it would probably be better for everyone if you didn't so there will be more available for the healthcare workers and others who really need them.  I'm honestly more concerned for the potential economic fallout from this and the longer term effect it will have on the global economy than I am of myself or a family member contracting the disease.  I'm all for being prepared, but let's not work ourselves up into a lather in doing so.

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I see it as a good opportunity to rotate/replenish/refresh my general prep. 

Filled up the pantry, rotated my gas and water, bought some new PPE stuff, got some new meds etc.

- Improvise, Adapt, Overcome -

Went into my cubicle yesterday. Someone had put a box of N95s there.

Mine.

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from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

Diz posted:

Well, this just goes to show that the vast majority of folks are way behind the curve, because they laugh at anyone doing this kind of prep in fair weather.

I think it just makes sense to have a prepper, self-sustaining life-style as a matter of course.  No matter what the threat, the basics are essentially the same.  Get in touch with your inner-Mormon.  

The time to prep is way before this shit hits the horizon.  Doing so now is an exercise in frustration and premium prices.

What will happen here, who knows.  But the world is long over-due for a nuclear enema.

Anybody re-reading "The Stand"?     

I'm actually half way thru the book now, but not for any particular reason. It was on sale when I went to the bookstore a few weeks ago. I also just finished the Alex Fletcher series on audio books. There are some things in there that will give some things to think about. All of that said, I live in the sticks and have a decent amount of property. We are in the middle of mending some fence around here (this place used to belong to my grandfather and he ran a cattle farm) and once that is done we are putting live stock out. We already have chickens and bees. Getting goats, cattle, few hogs and a couple horses to put out. We are on well water, and I have 2 ponds, a creek and a seasonal creek as well. I do have a generator to keep the well and lights running. I'm about to sink another well and put a hand pump in. We are looking at getting solar power with the eventual goal of going of grid. Vegetable wise, I already have a large garden and this year I'm planting an additional garden about 2 acres in size.  We can most of it. Add on the dried goods and lot's of wild game, I'm pretty confident I'm ok out here. I even have old farming equipment that's pulled behind mules/horses.   As far as unwanted guests go, Well, lets just say even the mailman knows to honk as he drives up the rather long driveway to leave a package that doesn't fit in the mailbox. lol

I do need to find a way to source additional medications. I have about 3 months worth of everything I take (BP and some stuff for my bullshit back), but I'd like to find a way to source things that would come in handy like anti-virals, antibiotics, etc. 

Growing up on a farm a lot of the "prepper" stuff is already second nature. 

I edited this to add something I remembered that I thought was funny. My family on both sides is from the south, except my actual father I've never met...full blood Hawaiian dude. Go figure. The fella I call dad has a family that traces back much like on my mothers side.  Anyway, I can trace my mothers side of the family back to the late 1700's. Starting in the early 1800's they have all been down south. Poor dirt farmers. My sister and I are the first of our family that finished High School and went to college. Before us the highest level of education is about the 9th grade.  My Grandfather on my mothers side once told me about what he thought about boot camp for the Marines. The thing he remembered the most wasn't the yelling and all that jazz. He remembered being completely in awe in the amount of food they fed them at each meal. He said it didn't taste that great, but the amount of food he got at each meal was far more than he ever had outside of Christmas dinner each year, and he wondered why people needed to eat so much. I remember him saying that he enjoyed breakfast the most, because he could have eggs every day. 

Crazy how just a generation or 2 can change things. 

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I have sat here and thought about how to frame my thoughts on this for the last week or so. To reiterate, I got on this forum as a young team leader many moons ago at Ft. Campbell and now I am a retiree that teaches JROTC for the DOD in South Korea. I wouldn't consider myself a prepper persee, but I have a strong belief in self reliance and being prepared. The difference is it is a bit harder for me to stockpile a lot of anything considering where I am at, so I have to be scalable. A few weeks ago, a lot of us thought this was the zika/SARS/MERS/Ebola or whatever that would fade in and out as quickly as it made the news and a lot of that was because it was only in this region at the time. Reason for that is the sad reality that more Americans are concerned with the economy and election instead of being aware of what goes on outside their three foot world as that is what the news feeds them. I began to research a lot of different Doctors on youtube that spoke from strictly a medical perspective to gain neutral insight,. That is when it landed on our doorstep here in the ROK. Within days, it is spreading fast. Manufacturing along with many other things are at a standstill at this point or greatly reduced. The US military has even changed what it is doing. Schools are closed and while these things may be common occurrences with some of our host nations, the US military doesn't generally follow suit. While this may not be the black plague, and I hope it isn't, the reality is nobody knows much. While people seem to lack the intelligence to be concerned as they are being told that washing your hands is the only real defense and wear a mask, that should demonstrate again the lack of knowledge on it. This is a global issue and if/ when it hits it will be bad. I do hope I am wrong though.

Training is everything, everything is training.

gruntpain1775 posted:
Diz posted:

Well, this just goes to show that the vast majority of folks are way behind the curve, because they laugh at anyone doing this kind of prep in fair weather.

I think it just makes sense to have a prepper, self-sustaining life-style as a matter of course.  No matter what the threat, the basics are essentially the same.  Get in touch with your inner-Mormon.  

The time to prep is way before this shit hits the horizon.  Doing so now is an exercise in frustration and premium prices.

What will happen here, who knows.  But the world is long over-due for a nuclear enema.

Anybody re-reading "The Stand"?     

I'm actually half way thru the book now, but not for any particular reason. It was on sale when I went to the bookstore a few weeks ago. I also just finished the Alex Fletcher series on audio books. There are some things in there that will give some things to think about. All of that said, I live in the sticks and have a decent amount of property. We are in the middle of mending some fence around here (this place used to belong to my grandfather and he ran a cattle farm) and once that is done we are putting live stock out. We already have chickens and bees. Getting goats, cattle, few hogs and a couple horses to put out. We are on well water, and I have 2 ponds, a creek and a seasonal creek as well. I do have a generator to keep the well and lights running. I'm about to sink another well and put a hand pump in. We are looking at getting solar power with the eventual goal of going of grid. Vegetable wise, I already have a large garden and this year I'm planting an additional garden about 2 acres in size.  We can most of it. Add on the dried goods and lot's of wild game, I'm pretty confident I'm ok out here. I even have old farming equipment that's pulled behind mules/horses.   As far as unwanted guests go, Well, lets just say even the mailman knows to honk as he drives up the rather long driveway to leave a package that doesn't fit in the mailbox. lol

I do need to find a way to source additional medications. I have about 3 months worth of everything I take (BP and some stuff for my bullshit back), but I'd like to find a way to source things that would come in handy like anti-virals, antibiotics, etc. 

Growing up on a farm a lot of the "prepper" stuff is already second nature. 

I edited this to add something I remembered that I thought was funny. My family on both sides is from the south, except my actual father I've never met...full blood Hawaiian dude. Go figure. The fella I call dad has a family that traces back much like on my mothers side.  Anyway, I can trace my mothers side of the family back to the late 1700's. Starting in the early 1800's they have all been down south. Poor dirt farmers. My sister and I are the first of our family that finished High School and went to college. Before us the highest level of education is about the 9th grade.  My Grandfather on my mothers side once told me about what he thought about boot camp for the Marines. The thing he remembered the most wasn't the yelling and all that jazz. He remembered being completely in awe in the amount of food they fed them at each meal. He said it didn't taste that great, but the amount of food he got at each meal was far more than he ever had outside of Christmas dinner each year, and he wondered why people needed to eat so much. I remember him saying that he enjoyed breakfast the most, because he could have eggs every day. 

Crazy how just a generation or 2 can change things. 

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

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rakkasan posted:

I have sat here and thought about how to frame my thoughts on this for the last week or so. To reiterate, I got on this forum as a young team leader many moons ago at Ft. Campbell and now I am a retiree that teaches JROTC for the DOD in South Korea. I wouldn't consider myself a prepper persee, but I have a strong belief in self reliance and being prepared. The difference is it is a bit harder for me to stockpile a lot of anything considering where I am at, so I have to be scalable. A few weeks ago, a lot of us thought this was the zika/SARS/MERS/Ebola or whatever that would fade in and out as quickly as it made the news and a lot of that was because it was only in this region at the time. Reason for that is the sad reality that more Americans are concerned with the economy and election instead of being aware of what goes on outside their three foot world as that is what the news feeds them. I began to research a lot of different Doctors on youtube that spoke from strictly a medical perspective to gain neutral insight,. That is when it landed on our doorstep here in the ROK. Within days, it is spreading fast. Manufacturing along with many other things are at a standstill at this point or greatly reduced. The US military has even changed what it is doing. Schools are closed and while these things may be common occurrences with some of our host nations, the US military doesn't generally follow suit. While this may not be the black plague, and I hope it isn't, the reality is nobody knows much. While people seem to lack the intelligence to be concerned as they are being told that washing your hands is the only real defense and wear a mask, that should demonstrate again the lack of knowledge on it. This is a global issue and if/ when it hits it will be bad. I do hope I am wrong though.

"BAD" ?

A 3% mortality rate is not GOOD, but it isn't a world cleansing event.

What is BAD are the idiot reactions.  How many people blew off their flu vaccination earlier in 2019?  I bet they line their ass up for a COVID-19 vaccination!  What we are also going to see is an UPTICK in seasonal flu on the heels of COVID-19.  Its going to be a multiple whammy.  As well as other illness creep up.

 

@no one in particular

Masks!?  How about a shout out to all the Islam-ophiles who were poo-poo-ing the burka and instead are now purchasing the 3M variety things by the caseload for their home?  If its stupid but works its not stupid - amiright?

Yeah a F-ing SHEMAGH works better than a silly N95 mask for inhalation protection.  [when correctly worn]  For those buying the STYLISH "RZ face mask" or whatever they are called, Yeah: NOW WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS YOU FILTHY ANIMAL!

Respiratory protection depends on a couple things: COVERAGE and SURFACE AREA of the filter media.  Even a shemagh does't have a true filtering power against smaller particles, but, its depth of coverage is deeper for the 'maze effect' of trapping larger stickier particles in the fabric.  Everyone deployed knows about this, as when they went on leave or absence for a couple weeks and come back and smell that stinky-foot-mouth odor of tobacco, bad chow & not enough toothbrushing get even FUNKIER in their shemagh.  Wash it regularly!  Have a spare.

I am a fan of respiratory and eye protection at damn near all times.  ADDED BENEFIT: Facial recognition software is defeated! 

The LIBERTARIAN in me says a positive side effect of this is being able to conceal ones identity in public is a under-exercised right.   BOLO? Ha-ha-NO! 

 

I also chuckle at folks who are really freaking out and going full prepper.  There is a fella on the local FB community page selling a BOX of tem N95 masks for $450.  Thats HILARIOUS.  Even MORE so cause someone will pay that!  Morons!

@ the idiots in my community:  But the same people din't have the forethought to actually keep themselves healthy before hand and stay current with vaccinations & regular checkups!

I think before I do my next PCS [possibly this late spring-Summer Quarantine dependent] I am going to sell off all my ammo & MRE's...    

Then get fresh stock at my next duty station! 

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bodhisattvya posted

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

Great tip, obviously antibiotics won't help with a virus but good to have a stock for other things.

Garg 'nuair dhùisgear

Maskirovka posted:

I went shopping during lunch today. Never shop on an empty stomach.

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I think about 100 # of rice (three kinds), another 75# of peas/lentils. Lard. Powdered bullion. Oh and masa flour. Because I'm making tacos.

I found our local Winco store had 5 gallon plastic pails, lids, large mylar bags, and oxygen absorbents. So I had  little packing party today. A couple quarts of masa wouldn't fit into the bucket, so I put it in a gallon ziplock and made up batch of fresh tortillas.  Mmmmm suckit zombies.   

 

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CAE5 posted:
bodhisattvya posted

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

Great tip, obviously antibiotics won't help with a virus but good to have a stock for other things.

Take caution when taking antibiotics for animals. They ARE better than nothing in a tight spot. But they are not made to the same standards. The chance for it being contaminated with something is huge. Whether or not that contamination is harmful would be impossible to tell before taking it. And then there's dosage issues. Too little for too long and you end up making the infection resistant. Too much and you can cause gastrointestinal issues that may make your life worse considering the environment you'd be in if you're resorting to animal medication. 

 

It's still not the worst idea. The downsides likely won't outweigh dying from infection. But with all this in mind, NOW is the time to figure out dosages and reputation of manufacturer. The last part being more important than you might imagine. Back when I dealt with this stuff, we killed a horse by giving it antibiotics. Or what we thought was antibiotics. Turns out, the company was based in Argentina, had recently changed names, and it would have cost more to try and recover any money from them than what the horse was worth. So the ranch owner cut his losses and we switched back to more expensive stuff that was made in Australia. Anyway, it's just food for thought. 

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Maskirovka posted:
Maskirovka posted:

I went shopping during lunch today. Never shop on an empty stomach.

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I think about 100 # of rice (three kinds), another 75# of peas/lentils. Lard. Powdered bullion. Oh and masa flour. Because I'm making tacos.

I found our local Winco store had 5 gallon plastic pails, lids, large mylar bags, and oxygen absorbents. So I had  little packing party today. A couple quarts of masa wouldn't fit into the bucket, so I put it in a gallon ziplock and made up batch of fresh tortillas.  Mmmmm suckit zombies.   

I went to my local WinCo last Tuesday after my night class, dropped $194 on various stuff. I have bought bagged rice and bagged lima beans in bulk there, placed them in those 5 gallon buckets, and they are stacked deep in my basement at home.

My problem is that I have about 2 weeks left until I graduate from college, so I'm sitting here hoping shit stays together for the next 12 days so I can finish my classes and get the hell back to my house.

A lot of my "friends" are calling me to find out if I have any spare _____________ I'd be willing to share. Nope. You don't call me in 10 yrs and now we're best buds because you think I have a 6 mo supply of life's essentials that I am just going to give you?

Bahaha.

So far I've had request for free masks, food, meds, boolets, AR-15's, magazines, body armor, gas masks, fuel, fuel containers, meds and med supplies, tents oh and one arse had the balls to ask if I would lend him my Jeep.

 

What in the hell is wrong with people 😠.

They all got politely told to FOAD, as I haven't heard from them in years and now that they think I have something they need, now they are trying to guilt trip me into giving them shit for free?

If you have prepared ahead of whatever event and you have the ability to preposition stores in remote or off site locations, I would highly recommend it. It'd really suck to have a pissed off mob/friend/family member torch your house and lose everything when you need it most.

Location: in SE Idaho, the birthplace of television.  And Epstein didn't kill himself...

CAE5 posted:
bodhisattvya posted

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

Great tip, obviously antibiotics won't help with a virus but good to have a stock for other things.

...the logistical gymnastics I had to go through to get anti-bios....sourced from another country, then hand carried...sheesh

 

 

M. Wilson posted:

A lot of my "friends" are calling me to find out if I have any spare _____________ I'd be willing to share. Nope. You don't call me in 10 yrs and now we're best buds because you think I have a 6 mo supply of life's essentials that I am just going to give you?

Bahaha.

So far I've had request for free masks, food, meds, boolets, AR-15's, magazines, body armor, gas masks, fuel, fuel containers, meds and med supplies, tents oh and one arse had the balls to ask if I would lend him my Jeep.

 

What in the hell is wrong with people 😠.

They all got politely told to FOAD, as I haven't heard from them in years and now that they think I have something they need, now they are trying to guilt trip me into giving them shit for free?

If you have prepared ahead of whatever event and you have the ability to preposition stores in remote or off site locations, I would highly recommend it. It'd really suck to have a pissed off mob/friend/family member torch your house and lose everything when you need it most.

...most people who know me, know enough about me to:

1.Not come unless you call first, prevents nasty accidents.

2.If I don't want to see you or talk, I don't pickup.

3. Front door box is in a distinct, rectangular convex shape, just below the spyhole...painted to match the door..you can barely make out the words if you squint..front towards the enemy...

4.Front door interior decoration is a distinct shape from Vickers Tactical..the one with those three nice detailed boxes..adjusted for 5'9" height.

 

 

Kiko posted:
CAE5 posted:
bodhisattvya posted

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

Great tip, obviously antibiotics won't help with a virus but good to have a stock for other things.

...the logistical gymnastics I had to go through to get anti-bios....sourced from another country, then hand carried...sheesh

I used to make an annual trip to Los Algodones in Baja. Got to be too much of a PITA. And that was the easiest border town I've been to.

Garg 'nuair dhùisgear

CAE5 posted:
Kiko posted:
CAE5 posted:
bodhisattvya posted

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

Great tip, obviously antibiotics won't help with a virus but good to have a stock for other things.

...the logistical gymnastics I had to go through to get anti-bios....sourced from another country, then hand carried...sheesh

I used to make an annual trip to Los Algodones in Baja. Got to be too much of a PITA. And that was the easiest border town I've been to.

..mine is actually simple..prescription from our retainer family/school doctor in Philippines..it's just so far away..but I always have family coming and going every couple of months so more like quarterly rather than annually..

 

 

Well, it's slowly spreading in this general direction ( likely already in the country, just unreported ) so I did a food run to up the reserve and homebase has most of the things that might come in handy - ammo, guns, food, masks and meds. Not planning to move anywhere but I'll have to add a couple canisters of fuel ( still seems possible here ) and it should be ready.  Plans made to move immediate family inside. 

They all got politely told to FOAD, as I haven't heard from them in years and now that they think I have something they need, now they are trying to guilt trip me into giving them shit for free?

Everyone thinks those who prepare are responsible for them.  My standard reply is, "If you share DNA with me, no problem. If not leave in a serpentine fashion, so you are a harder target".

Half the time people who are quick to make "funny" contact attempts like that are likely the ones that laugh behind your back for having a reserve stockpiled "just in case" in the first place.  The funniest part is that most of the time they think that one can't see through their BS 

Still food for thought to see that the mere threat of a pandemic with a low mortality rate ( as of now ) brings so much "good" out of people. 

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Wild_Willie posted:
 

Yeah a F-ing SHEMAGH works better than a silly N95 mask for inhalation protection.  [when correctly worn]  For those buying the STYLISH "RZ face mask" or whatever they are called, Yeah: NOW WASH YOUR DAMN HANDS YOU FILTHY ANIMAL!

Respiratory protection depends on a couple things: COVERAGE and SURFACE AREA of the filter media.  Even a shemagh does't have a true filtering power against smaller particles, but, its depth of coverage is deeper for the 'maze effect' of trapping larger stickier particles in the fabric.  Everyone deployed knows about this, as when they went on leave or absence for a couple weeks and come back and smell that stinky-foot-mouth odor of tobacco, bad chow & not enough toothbrushing get even FUNKIER in their shemagh.  Wash it regularly!  Have a spare.

Interesting.

Had heard that folded sari is pretty good at filtering out bacteria.

This isn't a preparation thing per se, but I figure keep it out of the news thread. More "how we are living with this stupid crap."

We were planning a trip the first half of April. Seattle to UK, then on to Greece, Italy, then back to Seattle via the UK.  Unfortunately this seems very unlikely to happen as planned. Too many things to go wrong with those destinations at this point. So we are looking to see if we can cancel/get credit on the regional flights and just go to the UK. Maybe do Scotland, Ireland, Wales. Maybe cross the channel to Normandy.  Sucks. It's too hard to war game this and figure out whether to risk it. Main thing is we do NOT want to get stuck, unable to return home because somebody's knee jerks and closes a border. Although I would not exactly mind being stranded on Naxos.

 

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Kiko posted:
M. Wilson posted:

A lot of my "friends" are calling me to find out if I have any spare _____________ I'd be willing to share. Nope. You don't call me in 10 yrs and now we're best buds because you think I have a 6 mo supply of life's essentials that I am just going to give you?

Bahaha.

So far I've had request for free masks, food, meds, boolets, AR-15's, magazines, body armor, gas masks, fuel, fuel containers, meds and med supplies, tents oh and one arse had the balls to ask if I would lend him my Jeep.

 

What in the hell is wrong with people 😠.

They all got politely told to FOAD, as I haven't heard from them in years and now that they think I have something they need, now they are trying to guilt trip me into giving them shit for free?

If you have prepared ahead of whatever event and you have the ability to preposition stores in remote or off site locations, I would highly recommend it. It'd really suck to have a pissed off mob/friend/family member torch your house and lose everything when you need it most.

...most people who know me, know enough about me to:

1.Not come unless you call first, prevents nasty accidents.

2.If I don't want to see you or talk, I don't pickup.

3. Front door box is in a distinct, rectangular convex shape, just below the spyhole...painted to match the door..you can barely make out the words if you squint..front towards the enemy...

4.Front door interior decoration is a distinct shape from Vickers Tactical..the one with those three nice detailed boxes..adjusted for 5'9" height.

Same here. My brother is the only one that can show up with a no knock. Everyone else better call. Outside of those that even know where I live, everyone else just thinks I'm an asshole and they don't talk to me. Jokes on them, I'm assholectually the super nice guy, just don't talk to many people. Most people I find aren't worth the trouble to talk too. 

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I get the same thing all the time.

"When the zombie apocalypse happens, we're going to Fort MWL."

My usual response is "By the time you get here, you will probably be a zombie, and I will be obliged to shoot you in the head, don't take it personally."

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gruntpain1775 posted:

Same here. My brother is the only one that can show up with a no knock. Everyone else better call. Outside of those that even know where I live, everyone else just thinks I'm an asshole and they don't talk to me. Jokes on them, I'm assholectually the super nice guy, just don't talk to many people. Most people I find aren't worth the trouble to talk too. 

That's the thing... you want to encourage others to prep for themselves, not view YOU as the neighborhood supply cache. 

Most of my supplies are at my farm... which is out in the middle of nowhere, and impossible to locate if you don't already know where to go. 

And I don't take people there. 

“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England,”  -George Orwell-

If you aren't on the list of people that I would help move a body (at night -or in broad daylight) then you aren't on the list of people who can pull up to my house without texting or calling and being told its ok first. Anyone else will be treated as a threat until they prove otherwise.

The last time the PD stopped by they waited in the car until I stepped out on the porch. Even they "get it" and understand even though they know I am not a threat to them.

------------------------------------- "A True Warrior knows neither Left or Right"  Looking for a doc who can fix my allergies.. Stupid People and IED's...

As Crap Game told Odd Ball, "No friends or friends of friends".  Those that are welcome are all ready established and have something to contribute. Co workers and friends have started asking about supplies.  Only found 1 place that had N-95 masks, at $7.95 a 2 pack, no other masks period. Hand sanitizer still on the shelf.

Once you have good preps in place, they will cover most events. 

Dave

"Keep that cheap, wail'n slut quiet!" A.J. Maggott

HomoSepian posted:
gruntpain1775 posted:

Same here. My brother is the only one that can show up with a no knock. Everyone else better call. Outside of those that even know where I live, everyone else just thinks I'm an asshole and they don't talk to me. Jokes on them, I'm assholectually the super nice guy, just don't talk to many people. Most people I find aren't worth the trouble to talk too. 

That's the thing... you want to encourage others to prep for themselves, not view YOU as the neighborhood supply cache. 

Most of my supplies are at my farm... which is out in the middle of nowhere, and impossible to locate if you don't already know where to go. 

And I don't take people there. 

Remember that inservice where you feel asleep? I tagged you with a trapperkeeper. Your farm is Mine!

Know thy enemies, but be aware of thy friends...

 

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:
from bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

HomoSepian posted:
gruntpain1775 posted:

Same here. My brother is the only one that can show up with a no knock. Everyone else better call. Outside of those that even know where I live, everyone else just thinks I'm an asshole and they don't talk to me. Jokes on them, I'm assholectually the super nice guy, just don't talk to many people. Most people I find aren't worth the trouble to talk too. 

That's the thing... you want to encourage others to prep for themselves, not view YOU as the neighborhood supply cache. 

Most of my supplies are at my farm... which is out in the middle of nowhere, and impossible to locate if you don't already know where to go. 

And I don't take people there. 

Recall those images of your DIY solar cell set up?

Did you clean the image info before posting?

pira114 posted:
CAE5 posted:
bodhisattvya posted

You can source antibiotics from calvetsupply.com. They are labeled as "fish antibiotics" but come off of the same assembly line as human antibiotics. You won't have as easy a time sourcing anti-virals.

Great tip, obviously antibiotics won't help with a virus but good to have a stock for other things.

Take caution when taking antibiotics for animals. They ARE better than nothing in a tight spot. But they are not made to the same standards. The chance for it being contaminated with something is huge. Whether or not that contamination is harmful would be impossible to tell before taking it. And then there's dosage issues. Too little for too long and you end up making the infection resistant. Too much and you can cause gastrointestinal issues that may make your life worse considering the environment you'd be in if you're resorting to animal medication. 

It's still not the worst idea. The downsides likely won't outweigh dying from infection. But with all this in mind, NOW is the time to figure out dosages and reputation of manufacturer. The last part being more important than you might imagine. Back when I dealt with this stuff, we killed a horse by giving it antibiotics. Or what we thought was antibiotics. Turns out, the company was based in Argentina, had recently changed names, and it would have cost more to try and recover any money from them than what the horse was worth. So the ranch owner cut his losses and we switched back to more expensive stuff that was made in Australia. Anyway, it's just food for thought. 

Thank you for the caveat. If folks are so inclined to use said antibiotics to treat their or their families' health issues, please go on to Amazon or your Web book seller of choice & pick up the Sanford Guide to Antibiotics; s(or a similar guide such as one put out by the Emergency Medicine Residents Association), so that any antibiotics being taken are specifically tailored to the condition you're treating.

"Enlisted men are stupid but they are sly & crafty and bear considerable watching."

Excerpt from the U.S. Army Officer's Manual 1884. 

 

Home: Anytown, USA

Ordered. Don't have any intention of putting any medical folks out of work. But, if they are overwhelmed, I want to be able to care for my family.

Garg 'nuair dhùisgear

"People are connected to the grand sum total of human knowledge by the handheld telecommunications device in their pocket....that they fail to use to get information from or only use to fuck around on social media. 

THIS is the great evil of the 21st century  . . . . the truth is out there, you just have to be able to research through multiple valid sources to find it.

 

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arm yourself, because no one else here will save you . . .

 

he found faith in danger, a lifestyle he lived by

 

Assemble the Kingsmen

And that is the difficult part. Gleaning the wheat from the chaff.

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Doug

If I mention Corona, I ain't talking about beer.

 

"It's your turn to do until it's not."  TA

 

"Afterall.... if you get yourself into a fair fight.. you really haven't learned anything in all the time you have spent on Lightfighter, your tactics suck, and you don't deserve to breed."  David Reeves

 

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For all my LE and FF colleagues. Regarding this "coronavirus" thing. You need to be careful about protecting yourself beyond medical reasons. You need to be able to show that IF you contract it, and find yourself quarantined for weeks, that you contracted it in the line of duty. L&I and your employer will try to fuck you over. My plan is to document in the call notes of every call I handle if I happen to notice anyone with illness or flu-like symptoms. I also plan to keep a personal log, with the incident number. The liklihood of 1st or 2nd Responders contracting this are more than the average person. And we all know that it will be a fight to get L&I to pay, rather than us burning all of our sick time being in quarantine.

- Gene

____ "Fight like you're the third monkey trying to get on Noah's Ark...".

____ "If you can't do something smart, do something right." - Jayne Cobb

____ " Pull your huggies up, shut the fuck up." - gruntpain

 

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DirtySanchez posted:

For all my LE and FF colleagues. Regarding this "coronavirus" thing. You need to be careful about protecting yourself beyond medical reasons. You need to be able to show that IF you contract it, and find yourself quarantined for weeks, that you contracted it in the line of duty. L&I and your employer will try to fuck you over. My plan is to document in the call notes of every call I handle if I happen to notice anyone with illness or flu-like symptoms. I also plan to keep a personal log, with the incident number. The liklihood of 1st or 2nd Responders contracting this are more than the average person. And we all know that it will be a fight to get L&I to pay, rather than us burning all of our sick time being in quarantine.

Remember- no one cares about taking care of you- BUT YOU.

To make any other assumption is preplanned failure.

------------------------------------- "A True Warrior knows neither Left or Right"  Looking for a doc who can fix my allergies.. Stupid People and IED's...

At the risk of sounding overly paranoid, I'm curious, if anyone can answer this, what the proper procedure would be for decontaminating packages that could be delivered to your house. For example, the postman or UPS driver contracts the virus, or even the Amazon employee who packed up your case of #10 cans of flour. There doesn't seem to be any firm evidence yet that COVID-19 can be transmitted by (or live on) objects or surface that you might come in contact with, although I heard some speculation that the virus may live on the surface of an object for several days (to explain some of the delayed transmissions).

Obviously washing your hands after unpacking and disposing of a delivery box is important (something I do already), but is there anything that could or should be done with the item inside? If it's also box, that's easy to dispose of. If it's something else, like a food storage container, would it be wise to let it sit for a few days before using / handling? Thanks,

Dave

3ACR_Scout posted:

At the risk of sounding overly paranoid, I'm curious, if anyone can answer this, what the proper procedure would be for decontaminating packages that could be delivered to your house. For example, the postman or UPS driver contracts the virus, or even the Amazon employee who packed up your case of #10 cans of flour. There doesn't seem to be any firm evidence yet that COVID-19 can be transmitted by (or live on) objects or surface that you might come in contact with, although I heard some speculation that the virus may live on the surface of an object for several days (to explain some of the delayed transmissions).

Obviously washing your hands after unpacking and disposing of a delivery box is important (something I do already), but is there anything that could or should be done with the item inside? If it's also box, that's easy to dispose of. If it's something else, like a food storage container, would it be wise to let it sit for a few days before using / handling? Thanks,

Dave

I can't answer your question regarding disinfecting, but I believe alcohol sprays do.  Regarding survival of the virus, the coating makes a difference, as does the surface.  There are different coatings and the virus dies when the coating dries out and exposes the essential bits.  Smooth surfaces last longer, porous surfaces not as much.  They suck away moisture faster.  What I read for example, said that in an office environment, flu and cold virus on desks, doorknobs, keyboards, will generally be dead overnight.  So contagious the day before, fine the next morning.  I read up on the topic of small pox infested blankets used to kill Indians.  This isn't directly on point, but might still be informative.  First, the US never did that, but the British did before our independence.  Here's the important part.  The virus dies as fast as others.  The scabs protect the virus so things infected with the scabs from small pox sufferers could last for weeks and spread infection.

Anyway, the corona virus is transmitted by aerosol from an infected person's breath, sneezes, coughs, or even as shown on several Chinese videos, licking elevator buttons.  If an infected package delivery person left virus on the package, you could spray the package with disinfectant.  Or, I think leaving it exposed to the air, sunlight, and UV will probably kill any virus on the surface.

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Mark

Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Dorsai posted:
3ACR_Scout posted:
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I can't answer your question regarding disinfecting, but I believe alcohol sprays do.  Regarding survival of the virus, the coating makes a difference, as does the surface.  There are different coatings and the virus dies when the coating dries out and exposes the essential bits.  Smooth surfaces last longer, porous surfaces not as much.  They suck away moisture faster.  What I read for example, said that in an office environment, flu and cold virus on desks, doorknobs, keyboards, will generally be dead overnight.  So contagious the day before, fine the next morning.  I read up on the topic of small pox infested blankets used to kill Indians.  This isn't directly on point, but might still be informative.  First, the US never did that, but the British did before our independence.  Here's the important part.  The virus dies as fast as others.  The scabs protect the virus so things infected with the scabs from small pox sufferers could last for weeks and spread infection.

Anyway, the corona virus is transmitted by aerosol from an infected person's breath, sneezes, coughs, or even as shown on several Chinese videos, licking elevator buttons.  If an infected package delivery person left virus on the package, you could spray the package with disinfectant.  Or, I think leaving it exposed to the air, sunlight, and UV will probably kill any virus on the surface.

UV light?

Linz posted:
HomoSepian posted:
gruntpain1775 posted:

Same here. My brother is the only one that can show up with a no knock. Everyone else better call. Outside of those that even know where I live, everyone else just thinks I'm an asshole and they don't talk to me. Jokes on them, I'm assholectually the super nice guy, just don't talk to many people. Most people I find aren't worth the trouble to talk too. 

That's the thing... you want to encourage others to prep for themselves, not view YOU as the neighborhood supply cache. 

Most of my supplies are at my farm... which is out in the middle of nowhere, and impossible to locate if you don't already know where to go. 

And I don't take people there. 

Recall those images of your DIY solar cell set up?

Did you clean the image info before posting?

Of course I did.

but if you find one with any Exif data, shoot me a PM.  

“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England,”  -George Orwell-

Today at work, some asshole(s) stole the 1/2 L bottles of disinfectant out of the dispensers in the restrooms and tea-kitchens 

Some of the looted rooms are outside of the entry-card restricted areas, but some are not, so it was/were (a) person(s) of the workforce  

This seems to have also happened in clinics and other public places over the last few days, according the internet. 

In the shops one can clearly see the empty shelves for canned soups and stews, rice, noodles & sauces, microwave meals and bottled water.  Also from most other merchandise was less in the shelves as on a "normal day" at the given time, and the people had had their charts more filled than usual.  Only in the "BIO" isle the shelves were normally  stacked, so the hippies are either not worried, or stocked also upon the cheeper stuff.  

Because since my medical rehabilitation I try to eat fresh& and healthy only (but have a good 90 days worth of canned stuff at home) my selection was not much limited. I bought a dozen frozen veggie mixes, a few packs of whole grain bread in thick foil package (they are good for a year if stored cool and dark) and some comfort food as liver pate with truffles  and a few cases of bottled water just in case.  Also I phoned my "Doc" for a receipt of my standard meds, I will take it out tomorrow with minimal exposure because I will not have to wait among the sick in the waiting room!

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I did my normal weekly shopping this morning. The supermarket shelves were noticeably lighter than usual, but still plenty of everything. Costco was packed. I heard an employee say they were completely sold out of paper towels and toilet paper. Water was being grabbed up as soon as a pallet was put on the ground. I was able to get the single case I wanted, but I wouldn't have cared if I couldn't; I wasn't trying to stock up on it. I'm not sure why everyone was grabbing up bottled water. Every other beverage in Costco was available in large quantities. Oddly, Walmart had a ton of water, toilet paper, paper towels and disinfectants. 

My strategy was to get just a bit more of the our commonly consumed things. 

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"One of the nice things about being around other soldiers is they will suffer your bullshit gladly, knowing sooner or later you will shut up and listen to theirs." - Jim Morris, War Story

 

"The military was strange like that. In the middle of the night you run into a major problem that requires you to put your faith in someone you never met before and probably would never see again. But that person knocks himself out to do his job and helps you get on with yours." - Harold W. Coyle, Team Yankee

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