Here is my bud's rucksack ready for deployment.  He has the DG16 frameset replacing the welded alum TT frame on the TT Rgt ruck.

 

The pocket fits the frame nicely with top stab straps in middle slots.  Other straps are tied down on sides and bottom. 

This thing is a monster.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Original Post

Well, long story short, he wasn't happy with his issue MR stuff so he went back to an ALICE-type system, but with the alum external frame, it was sorta the other extreme.  You know, too soft, too rigid.  So along came the DG16 frameset which hits the sweet spot.

The bag itself is for a 10K+ off-set, with say a 96 hr load before re-supply.  So yeah with external pouches you're pushing 100+L or say 6,000 cu".

His team already bought DG3's  for lighter load outs but I don't have the larger DG16's yet in MC, so they're running a combo of MR and ALICE-type large rucks for this pump.   I'm hoping to have the larger rucks for him for his next deployment.  But at least he has a good frameset.       

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

“Wasn’t happy with his MR stuff so he went back to ALICE”....wow you don’t hear that everyday. Any more details on that? Very curious. I’m a gear guy but I’m loathe to say one company has all the answers even with a company like MR....but versus ALICE? 

 

 

 

God doesn't believe in athiests

I know an annoying number who stick with or even return to their ALICE packs. Makes me nuts. 

No , I can't get enough details to make sense past maybe familiarity. Even kludgy stuff like sleep system rolled on the outside is what they are used to, so change is hard I guess. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

A bit off topic but....at work we wear external armour carriers. We’re now into our second GEN and they are MOLLE. Most of the guys have taken advantage and transitioned all their belt weight onto the carrier. Except one guy....”no sir, I prefer my thick as fuck Uncle Mikes/ancient/duty belt from hell/back injury causing load out”. What’s worse is he never even tried load carriage on the vest. Oh well. 

 

 

 

God doesn't believe in athiests

There are quite a few professionals in the USMC SOF community who prefer ALICE.

 Or ALICE-esque.

The training pipeline uses ALICE or an ALICE derivative paired to a Tactical Tailor bag.

It just makes sense for a lot of folks.  They don’t want to deal with the risk of a busted zipper, in many cases.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

                                                                                                                        —T. E. Lawrence

 

 

POSREP: UAE

No, it's  valid question for those of us that aren't issued MR goodness; you may be wondering WTF?  But as the man said, there is a certain affinity for the ALICE-type systems within the community because: 1) that's what they were brought up with; it's just "home" for a lot of folks, and 2) it still fucking works!

So yeah I get it, on the face of it, you're wondering why a guy would shit-can his high-speed Gucci pack and "regress" back to the lowly ALICE-type system.  Two reasons really.  The bag shape/ external pouch arrangement, and the frame.  

First the bag.  Within mil-spec circles there is an affinity for a square-shaped bag with extensive external pouch system.  The reason for this is it simply works for them.  

The second reason is the frame.  No matter how good an internal frame design you make, there are those who believe that an external framed-ruck is just the optimal design for mil-spec work.  Opinions vary but I count myself as among this group as well.

The reason my buddy has gone this route is because he has spent extensive time with heavily loaded internal framed rucks and was not happy with them.  He used the original NICE framed rucks, on operations, in the 07-08 timeframe, and was not happy with them.   So he fell back to the tried and true ALICE-type system.   Better but still issues. He then decided to give the new gen NICE frame a second chance, which was an improvement, but still not quite there.  I then introduced him to the Crossfire frameset.  Then he was happy.

Now the whole point to this exercise is this frameset gives you the best from both worlds.  And is back-wards compatible with any ALICE-type system.  So while on the face of it, it may sound a little crazy, it actually gives you the perfect blend of old and new.  He really loves this set up because, well, it just works for him.  And as added bonus, he said wearing BA with it is much more comfortable, compared to a MR pack with bolsters.  So there you are.

   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Wow! Thanks very much for that insight, very helpful. And it triggers another memory. An old SOF magazine article ( (mid 90’s ) on South African Recce Commandos; they carrry monster loads and were using external frame packs. 

 

 

 

God doesn't believe in athiests

Huh, for some reason blending old and new methods didn’t occur to me, but it makes perfect sense. I had the opportunity to fiddle with a Regiment Ruck, and if you’re a fan of external pockets it seemed like a winner. 

--------------------------------------------------------

Location: Utah

I'm issued  3 MR rucks and I've never used them. But what I also got issued was a Try Jungle Ruck...now that ruck I use all the time. It's a bit small at 40L but has a cool feature - it accepts the Tyr zip-on panels and assault pack so those can be removed and added to my plate carrier if needed. I can also order different lids for it.

Anyway, not to take away from the OP, but ya, some of us can't let go of the old ALICE style rucks...

----

 

Ditch Medic

Joined: October 2009

Location: Washington State

Yeah I'm tracking that.  I played around with a lot of frames and suspensions in conjunction with the ALICE style bags; the DG16 is what I've been looking for, for a long time.   

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Yeah and I'm gonna mod your old LBT bag into the latest artic ruck std.  Gets rid of all Molle and gives you some shit-hot pouch attachment options.  Been tits up with a cold but will get back on it soon.      

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Add Reply

Likes (2)
Post
Copyright Lightfighter Tactical Forum 2002-2019
×
×
×
×
×