Mike Pannone is currently testing a new Staccato P.

9000 rounds. 1000 brass cases ammunition including duty ammunition and 8000 rounds of Wolf. I assume 115 grain. 

Ya Wolf wouldn’t be my first choice. I recently got a few thousand rounds of Fenix Ammunition 124 and 147 grain training ammunition and this past weekend I was able to fire it through my Staccato P 2019 model and it went perfectly.

 

Buck8154 posted:
SCULLY posted:

Looking into getting a new  4.4 "P",  website only shows a model with adjustable sights, can you get a "P" with fixed sights? If so, where and how?

Thanks

Mike

There is not for 2 reasons. 

1. In testing we found a poa/poi variation between multiple types of duty ammo as great as 1.5" at 7yds out of the same gun.

2. In extreme high rd ct guns (75k and higher) the buried adjustable lasted longer.

Thank you Buck, much appreciated.

Mike

 

Buck8154 posted:

There was an interview we did at SHOT with the Deputy Commander of the US Marshals SOG, where he discusses how they fired over 100k of Hornady 135 Crit duty during their 2011 transition course for the unit, and none of the guns experienced any feeding issues, I was there that week, and the only gun that had a mechanical issue was not an STI, but a polymer striker gun.

 

Is that interview online somewhere? 

LobsterClaw207 posted:
Buck8154 posted:

There was an interview we did at SHOT with the Deputy Commander of the US Marshals SOG, where he discusses how they fired over 100k of Hornady 135 Crit duty during their 2011 transition course for the unit, and none of the guns experienced any feeding issues, I was there that week, and the only gun that had a mechanical issue was not an STI, but a polymer striker gun.

 

Is that interview online somewhere? 

Their FB page has it under the video tab.

Just started my DROS for my Staccato P DUO. Pistol felt amazing!!! I am going to be carrying it on duty. Anyone know who makes a magazine pouch for the 20 round mags that have covers. My department requires to have our magazines covered. Any help would be appreciated.

Just received a Comp-Tac Blue Duty-series holster for my 2019 4.15” Staccato-P DUO. It fits the Surefire X300U-A only, not the thumbscrew model. Took 1-week to arrive at my doorstep and is available directly from the Comp-Tac’s website. Photos:



STI is doing a pre order for the new Blackhawk T Series holster for STI pistols. This comes in a level 2 or 3 with Surefire x300 lights and most popular optics. I believe you have to sign up for an account first and right now the pre order is meant for LE only. Supposed to ship mid June. STI Guns website. I did a little write up on my Blackhawk T Series holster for the Glock on LF. If I can answer any questions let me know. I’m not getting anything for this just passing on information 

@Community Member posted:

STI is doing a pre order for the new Blackhawk T Series holster for STI pistols. This comes in a level 2 or 3 with Surefire x300 lights and most popular optics. I believe you have to sign up for an account first and right now the pre order is meant for LE only. Supposed to ship mid June. STI Guns website. I did a little write up on my Blackhawk T Series holster for the Glock on LF. If I can answer any questions let me know. I’m not getting anything for this just passing on information 

Is STI running it? Or is Blackhawk?

@Community Member posted:

It’s through the STI website however STI and Blackhawk have been in touch with each other since SHOT. From my understanding they will ship from Texas 

PM sent

@Community Member posted:

STI is doing a pre order for the new Blackhawk T Series holster for STI pistols. This comes in a level 2 or 3 with Surefire x300 lights and most popular optics. I believe you have to sign up for an account first and right now the pre order is meant for LE only. Supposed to ship mid June. STI Guns website. I did a little write up on my Blackhawk T Series holster for the Glock on LF. If I can answer any questions let me know. I’m not getting anything for this just passing on information 

Where is the write up located?  I searched but didn’t find it. 

Hey I had to register to get this question asked.  I guess Buck would be the best person to ask.

So I have a level 2 safariland for RDS.  I don't like it.  It requires impacting it with the RDS to knock the protective hood out of the way, which in turn sometimes causes a catching feeling and clunky draw.

Will the T Series holster for the Staccato P Duo be popped forward automatically when unlocking with the thumb?  Or will I need to get a level 3 to force the protective cover forward like the Safariland SLS hood forces the protective cover forward>?

I'm waiting to pre-order on the STI site because I prefer level 2 over level 3, but if the level 3 clears the protective hood out of the way for the RDS not to hit it, then I suppose that will be my option for purchase.

 

 

@BomberJosh when you say Level 2, do you mean the SLS hood only, or are you referring to the "Cheeto guard" for the RDS itself? The Cheeto guard/cover for the RDS itself is easily removed if necessary with no impact on the function or retention of the holster.

My bad,

I guess I should have called it a level 1.  I consider just the als a level 2 like blackhawk does.  It is just a nubmodded als with the rds protective hood that is hinged but not spring loaded.  Its the 6395 rds model.

 

I prefer to keep the cheeto guard for rain haha...

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The Cheeto Guard as people call it is easily removed. On my Glock 34 I have a tall front sight that sometimes hangs up on it. I just removed it. 

As far as the BH version I honestly don’t know but I will find out by tomorrow. I’ve sent a few texts to people that have seen the prototype models. Unless Buck answers first. 

Bomber Josh. A friend just sent me a video. I don’t know how to send it here so I will try to explain. I am going to use Safariland verbiage to explain since we should have an understanding. 

On the level 3 Blackhawk T Series the Cheeto guard and hood are two separate entities. When the release button is pushed it de activated the BH version of ALS and the Hood or SLS. The hood goes down and over the Cheeto guard and the Cheeto guard is moved by drawing the pistol. So if the hood goes forward the Cheeto guard is still in place. Clear as mud?

@Community Member posted:

Has anyone heard from Buck?  Sent him an email at the address he posted and it was kicked back.  Sent a PM and it hasnt been answered.

I haven’t tried recently Bill but he did comm w/ me a few weeks ago in some emails. A few days passed w/ no reply, so I reached out to him thru other means & got an email back pronto, PM me for additional contact info.

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@Community Member posted:

Bomber Josh. A friend just sent me a video. I don’t know how to send it here so I will try to explain. I am going to use Safariland verbiage to explain since we should have an understanding. 

On the level 3 Blackhawk T Series the Cheeto guard and hood are two separate entities. When the release button is pushed it de activated the BH version of ALS and the Hood or SLS. The hood goes down and over the Cheeto guard and the Cheeto guard is moved by drawing the pistol. So if the hood goes forward the Cheeto guard is still in place. Clear as mud?

Cool man thanks for the information.  Hearing that the cheeto guard stays put solves that riddle.  I'll stick with Level 2 then since it makes no different on getting that out of the way.  It does look at least more of a ramped straight light to be pushed out of the way by the optic at least.  The safariland cheeto guard is like a bubble that likes to grab ahold of the optic.  Just placed my pre-order or it.

I also got a shipment notification from Safariland already for the Staccato P Duo specific holster that I ordered the same day it debuted.  That was definitely not the 60 days I was expecting more like less than 3 weeks.  I will test the Blackhawk and Safariland against each other and sell the one that I don't prefer to someone that needs one.  I can rededicate my MP Pro Core 9L holster back to its gun too.

Just ordered a 2020 Staccato P Duo last week via the hero's program with 6 additional mags. Also ordered a Safariland 6390 from Joe Strohman.  Even with the lead time on the STI's, I was expecting to have the gun prior to the holster due to typical Safariland b.s.  But, true to Strohman form, they kept in contact and advised the lead time on the codura wrapped holster  would be approx 45 days.  This is my surprised face .  I haven't been this excited for a gun in a long time.  Buck also facilitated the purchase and answered my questions with the quickness, even though I'm just some random dude bothering him on social media.  Looking into blackpoint tactical for a OWB holster and mag pouches.  Still undecided on a AIWB holster.  Top off the list is a phlster floodlight, but looking into other options as per this thread.  Keep the good info and experiences coming gents!

@Community Member posted:

Check our Midwest Tactical Solutions for aiwb.  I just got the Ventri light bearing and so far so good. Comfortable and keeps the gun tight.

jto

 

I wouldn't recommend MWTS. Lead time was about a month before the virus and they sent me a defective Enforcer OS Level II for my Staccato. I shot the owner an email and it took about a week to hear back. Then radio silence for 3 weeks and I sent several follow-ups. When he finally responded, he claimed there was a fitment issue with the mold and that a replacement holster and return label would ship that day. That was March 25th and I've sent four emails and two DM's on IG, without any response. Still no holster or label so I guess I've been had for the tune of $112.55. Glad you got what you paid for and it was in serviceable condition. Personally, I will never do business with Trevor or MWTS again.

Thats disappointing regarding  MWTS. I ordered an Enforcer OS with no SLS about 3 weeks ago and was told a 3 wk lead time by Trevor. 

I also ordered a CompTac Blue Line. It's not great. Works fine with a light. Without its very loose and sloppy. Also the hole spacing for Safariland is slightly too small.

Nick

@Community Member posted:

Cool man thanks for the information.  Hearing that the cheeto guard stays put solves that riddle.  I'll stick with Level 2 then since it makes no different on getting that out of the way.  It does look at least more of a ramped straight light to be pushed out of the way by the optic at least.  The safariland cheeto guard is like a bubble that likes to grab ahold of the optic.  Just placed my pre-order or it.

I also got a shipment notification from Safariland already for the Staccato P Duo specific holster that I ordered the same day it debuted.  That was definitely not the 60 days I was expecting more like less than 3 weeks.  I will test the Blackhawk and Safariland against each other and sell the one that I don't prefer to someone that needs one.  I can rededicate my MP Pro Core 9L holster back to its gun too.

Did you order a 6390RDS for your Staccato P Duo or the Level 3 version? I ordered through Strohman mid February and haven't heard anything.

Nck

I ordered direct from safariland that Friday they debuted it.  I got the package in yesterday or day before and it was just the extra qls forks I ordered haha.  I got excited for nothing.  Guess it will be the 60 days they quoted 

@Community Member posted:

Thats disappointing regarding  MWTS. I ordered an Enforcer OS with no SLS about 3 weeks ago and was told a 3 wk lead time by Trevor. 

I also ordered a CompTac Blue Line. It's not great. Works fine with a light. Without its very loose and sloppy. Also the hole spacing for Safariland is slightly too small.

Nick

You can imagine my surprise when a package (postmarked 4/27) from MWTS showed up at my door this morning. It was totally out of the blue. No return shipping label though... I'm pleasantly surprised but what I said before still stands. I hope you get your holster soon. Like I said, my first one only had about a 4 week lead time.

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Brief range report -

I was able to take my Staccato P out to the range Friday.  Ran 300+ rounds through it. I read some reports on other sites of mag catch/magazine problems and JHP rounds nosediving on the feed ramp.  Short version, I had some issues and I’m a little leery of trusting the gun yet.  I’ve been shooting Glocks for 10+ years and this was my first foray into higher end 1911-type guns.


A few observations:

The (kind of) bad:

Caveat - I did not clean the gun prior.  I never do with a duty/carry gun.  Maybe I should’ve have for something with tighter tolerances like this gun.

- The first couple mags were 147 HSTs as that’s probably what I’ll carry in it. Sure enough, as I’ve read with others, the first round nosedived on the first 2 mags when released with the slide stop. The slide barely moved before the round hung up and they were stuck good. The second round was loose behind it.   Re-released by racking and no issues. I never noticed the problem again.  I was shooting a mix of Gen 2 stainless and Teflon 17,20, and 1 26 rounder.  I wasn’t paying close enough attention at the time to see which mags this occurred with.  I never had the issue again after the first two mags, though.  This is probably a newer gun as the 20 round Teflon mags that came with it had the newer, taller floorplate.

- I usually shoot 147 Lawman, but I had a few boxes of 124 Lawman that I wanted to use up so that was probably the next 175+. At around 200 rounds, the gun really slowed down. The slide was sluggish and wouldn’t fully go into batter every couple of rounds. The ejection was like the brass were just dribbling out the top and I had a few stove pipes because of it. Made it through the last of the 124s and switched to 147 Lawman and a box of 147 Ranger bonded. Problem gone. Slide worked fine, no FTE. I don’t know if the heavier bullet helped or what.  

- I wish the rear sight was wider or the front narrower. The front sight is thicker than what I’m currently running on other guns and the fiber optic is so big that in sunlight it almost fills the entire rear. Shooting at more than 10 yards is a hair more difficult with how full the sight picture is.

The good:

- It shoots like a dream. It’s the softest recoiling pistol I’ve owned. I could probably have put another 300 through it and not been any worse for wear. Shot my Glock 17 in between and there was no comparison.
- Very accurate. My pistol skills have atrophied, but when I took my time, groups were awesome from 10-25. The sights seemed set more for 20-25.
- Mags were flawless after the first 2 FTF. 

Given the issues I had for about 10-20 rounds, I don’t trust it completely. I’ll have to put another 300-500 through it, problem free, before I do. If that goes well, this will easily be my favorite gun and money well spent. Now I’m just waiting on holsters. Got a Garrett to start, but I’m out of QLS forks to mount on it.

Sorry for all the delayed responses, been busier than hell, will try to answer all the blackhawk questions in one post...

Yes it was a optic hood that moves forward as you draw the gun, it is not cupped like a safariland, but a straight piece at an angle.  I have never had the gun hang up on it like the safariland, and it is also easily removed if you do not want to use it.  

The level 2 is an internal lock up like an ALS, the level 3 is a like a als/sls combo.  My draw times do not change between the level 2/3, and I consistently draw this holster in the .93-.98 range.  For comparison, after running various iterations of 6000 series holsters for the better part of two decades, I very rarely broke into the 1.2 range.  This is with a full duty gun, x300, and optic at 10m on an 8" circle...if I miss I do not look at the shot timer to see my draw time.

I have been a safariland user forever, but after running this holster for about 8 weeks now I will never go back, at least not with anything they currently offer.  This basket is more durable, and the thumb break creates a very natural draw.

@Community Member  We ship the guns in a very heavy oil, mainly for when international orders are going out and might sit on a shelf for months before sitting on a ship for weeks before sitting in a port for weeks, etc...claen the packing oil off and relube with gun lube and it should not feel sluggish anymore...I clean my P about every 4k-7k, and it has not gotten sluggish on me yet (5" 9mm guns do after about 800 rds though).  I also run the heavier 15 Lb spring that comes in the pistol case for everything..to include lightweight frange, runs great, feeds great, even when filthy.  As ana example, Mike Pannone just ran 11,000 rds through an new staccato-p with zero maintenance other than lube, 10,000 of that was steel cased wolf ammo.

 

Thank you, Buck, that’s good to know.  It’s been cleaned and well oiled for the next range trip.  So you’re using the “+p” spring for all loads?  I thought about running that one and if you are, I probably will after I run a few hundred more through with the medium spring. 

One other minor (personal) quibble I forgot to mention is that more of an undercut on the trigger guard would be great.  I can understand if there’s a structural reason for not doing so.   I do hope STI or Dawson offer a narrower front sight.  I really like the rear adjustable, but either the rear notch could be wider or the front narrower.

The undercut and sight quibbles aside, which are subjective to me, I really love this gun.  It’s the closest to a “perfect” duty/defense handgun as I’ve ever owned. 

So I saw that some folks had a few difficulties mounting a x300U-A to the P Duo rail. Has anybody had an issues with the U-B model? Have the issues with the U-A been rectified by loosening the screws, mounting, then tightening? Does having to do that defeat the purpose of the quick on/off of the A so you might as well go B? Just looking at options. Especially since Big Tex has U-B models at super cheap prices right now

@Community Member posted:

So I saw that some folks had a few difficulties mounting a x300U-A to the P Duo rail. Has anybody had an issues with the U-B model? Have the issues with the U-A been rectified by loosening the screws, mounting, then tightening? Does having to do that defeat the purpose of the quick on/off of the A so you might as well go B? Just looking at options. Especially since Big Tex has U-B models at super cheap prices right now

I took an angle file to the inside of the rails on the 'A' so as to retain the quick disconnect feature.  I'd suggest NOT using a Dremel to you avoid taking more than required.

RD

According to Surefire, the "A" model is designed for polymer frames and the "B" for metal frames; the "U" adapter is for Glock rails and the "P" for Picatinny rails.  Not all manufacturers make their rails as carefully as they should and that can lead to additional problems.

@Community Member posted:

So I saw that some folks had a few difficulties mounting a x300U-A to the P Duo rail. Has anybody had an issues with the U-B model? Have the issues with the U-A been rectified by loosening the screws, mounting, then tightening? Does having to do that defeat the purpose of the quick on/off of the A so you might as well go B? Just looking at options. Especially since Big Tex has U-B models at super cheap prices right now

Trop what am I missing, I see the X300U-B @ $269. on BigTex vs. $299. @ SF. Do you have a code or something to bring BigTex’s price down or ......

ETA - can you buy the B adapter plate separately?  

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