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What difference do you anticipate between it and the normal sized one?

I have an Evo that was cut down to about the Micro size (5" barrel), with an HBI handguard. No other experience with any other PCCs, but it's nice that the aftermarket is responding to it.

Should you qualify, CZ has a pretty good pro deal, though they changed it awhile back where you had to go through a dealer instead of just directly from CZ, so a bit more of a pain.

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Do it.

I had my Micro built before they were readily available. ILWT cut barrel, HBi short hand guard and grip, Ak short safety selector, Zhuok stock and adapter (stamp in hand), polished and enhanced trigger. Thing just feels good in the hand, solid. Mags are cheap and so is 9mm. With PSA and Magpul making mags the Scorpion is here to stay.

Default is right, contact their customer support for the LEO/Fire/EMS/Mil deal. Takes a good chunk off the price of the pistol and brings the mags to stupid cheap. Speaking of which, you'll probably end up with a PSA AK-V that takes Cz mags, I just picked mine up.

Fun gun or working gun?   As a working gun, rattler is a scorpion killer all day long for those looking for a super small package.   110 GMX beats the pants off of the 135 critical duty every day of the week and twice on Sundays.    As a fun gun, HH6 loves the rattler and its an easy one to loan out given the cheap cost to feed it.   As others have said, if you can get the pro deal its easily worth it.  My early mags sucked, but the new ones have remedied the problems. 

@Community Member : I like how small the micro is for storing, and when suppressed is still shorter than the regular size Scorpion. If going pistol caliber route I think the smaller the better.

 

@Community Member : fun gun only. How come the Rattler is so much better (and I think twice the price?). I still distrust Sig, despite their impending apparent takeover of lots of US Military firearms....  are you referring to the CZ pro deal or the Sig both for your price comment and mag comment? 

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@Community Member : I like how small the micro is for storing, and when suppressed is still shorter than the regular size Scorpion. If going pistol caliber route I think the smaller the better.

 

@Community Member : fun gun only. How come the Rattler is so much better (and I think twice the price?). I still distrust Sig, despite their impending apparent takeover of lots of US Military firearms....  are you referring to the CZ pro deal or the Sig both for your price comment and mag comment? 

Size is going to depend on what your goal is. I certainly went for the smaller gun simply because that's one of the few "practical" uses I could see for a PCC on the civilian side, as a backpack gun (despite that whole concept being fairly ridiculous for your typical civilian). However, for raw shooting performance, note that the vast majority of USPSA PCC shooters opt for full-sized options.

The Rattler is far better for duty use simply due to the fact that it is in .300 BLK, which will have significantly better terminal performance than 9mm.

My suppressed Evo is a fun little gun, and new shooters like it, but I honestly rarely run it myself, simply because I focus the vast majority of my shooting on my handguns. It was originally purchased to be used as a briefcase long gun, but career changes have led to that not being a feasible idea.

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@Community Member   I originally picked my Scorpion up at a fantastic price (pro deal) and like many others I bought it for that backpack/briefcase long gun role.    I ran some testing on the range and what I found was this: on B/C steel my advantage point was about 100 yards.  I.E.  unassing the scorpion from its carried position and status and getting one hit on steel versus drawing my pistol from concealment and getting one hit on steel.  I don't have the times off the top of my head, but they were close enough that I was convinced I didn't really have an advantage in terms of accuracy at distance until I got to that ~100 yard mark.    It also wasn't buying me much of anything ballistically given I am still slinging the same 135 Critical Duty round at only a few more FPS.  

I was turned on to the rattler by some other folks.  Im at the same place with it reference my above comment about single round hit on steel.  However, it fills some other niche mission sets perfectly do its excellent ballistic properties as compared to similarly short 5.56 setups, as well as bringing way more to the game than a pistol.  The 110 GMX out of it is not to be fucked with.  I took it to a vehicle ballistics lab and shot it head to head against the 135 critical duty, and the 55GMX barrier out of our 11.5s.    I'd take that 110 GMX every day over all of the above working at relatively close ranges around intermediate barriers, including the 55GMX out of ol faithful.     

In regards to price, the CZ pro deal is one of the better in the industry.   I got zero pro discount on the rattler and would still recommend it if you are looking for a working gun.    Regarding the mags, early issues with the Scorpion mags were numerous due to them hanging in the gun on the locking tabs.  Some dremel work sorted it out with no issues since then. I do not have any, but understand the aftermarket mags as well as current production Scorpion mags don't suffer the same issues if you were to purchase today. 

 

OK 4 month bump to the day... pure coincidence. I am decided, I shall have a Micro, and then my first pistol caliber suppressor for it. 

Can anyone find one? I only see them on Gunbroker for like $1200 or more, plus credit card fee, tax, shipping.... 

I have my FFL but even my distributors don't have any and haven't seemed to have any forever. 

I tried looking at the LE/Mil purchase program but it might be suspended for a month or something? 

 

@Community Member thanks for the info! I still contemplate the Rattler but especially for a fun gun and on the ranges I am a member at (which have "pistol caliber only" restrictions on several of the ones I shoot on) I think the Micro would still be neato. 

I bought a micro a couple months ago. It was a local sale, the guy bought it new then decided he didn't want it. It wasn't exactly what I wanted but worked out cheaper to buy the micro for $1200 (total) and sell off the parts I didn't want

Swapped the fake can for an HBI three lug barrel. I have a Griffin Rev9 with three lug mount. It locks up solid and is super quite with 147gn loads, haven't tried the K configuration yet. Angstadt arms makes a handy little flash can that fits on the three lug when I'm not using the suppressor. It's cheap, but works 

Swapped the extendable brace for a factory side folder with a tailhook mod1c. Much better cheek weld and is shorter when folded

It came with Magpul sights. They're way too high in my opinion. I look those off and just have a Sig romeo in a low mount. I have an eye out for factory scorpion or stribog sights

Other little things: Strike Industries mag catch and safeties, Suarez trigger spring, Magpul grip. Polished the feed ramp and all the surfaces on the trigger and disconnector. CZs machine work is meh and just about every part could use some improvement 

In the end it gets pretty expensive for what it is, just under 1700 including credit for selling the micro front end and collapsible brace. The up side is there's a bunch of aftermarket support. Mags are reasonable. Cheap to shoot

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OK 4 month bump to the day... pure coincidence. I am decided, I shall have a Micro, and then my first pistol caliber suppressor for it. 

Can anyone find one? I only see them on Gunbroker for like $1200 or more, plus credit card fee, tax, shipping.... 

I have my FFL but even my distributors don't have any and haven't seemed to have any forever. 

I tried looking at the LE/Mil purchase program but it might be suspended for a month or something? 

 

@Community Member thanks for the info! I still contemplate the Rattler but especially for a fun gun and on the ranges I am a member at (which have "pistol caliber only" restrictions on several of the ones I shoot on) I think the Micro would still be neato. 

I'd stay away from the Rattler.  I personally went with the 6.75"  MCX Virtus (TACOPS model, which is based off of the LVAW). The Rattler has a lot of proprietary parts compared to the MCX Virtus, and handicaps you a bit if you want to add a 11.5" 5.56 barrel, etc. According to a Sig rep, the Rattler was also designed to NOT be suppressed all the time, as parts wear will be substantially increased if suppressed. 

The 6.75" barrel is only slightly longer, keeps the forward assist, and if you add a Midwest Industries 6" hand-guard, it is basically a poor man's Rattler.  The problem is Sig is having a hard time keeping up with demand (COVID, election year, UK military contracts). 

As far as the Scorpion... I have an original model Scorpion that I SBR'd, and then added the "In Lead We Trust" Micro-K barrel, and Manticore Arms sliding stock.  It is a fun suppressed blaster, but is being replaced with a MCX 6.75" barrel in 300blk as my backpack gun.  The MCX won't be suppressed, but will have more ass than the Scorpion in the same OAL.  

 

The Stribog is something else to consider. I was initially interested in that over the Scorpion but the first iteration had a lot of drawbacks. The A3 solves some of the shortcomings and goes a step further with delayed blow back. It's been approved for import but who knows when we'll start seeing them in quantity. Word on the street is by the end of the year

I haven't kept up with it since deciding to go with the scorpion so I don't know if mags are still an issue. They don't have as much aftermarket support. That will come when more are out there but from what I've seen of the first Stribogs it  doesn't need as much as the Scorpion. Three lug barrels would be nice 

 

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