Somebody talk me out of this. Or tell me that you've handled/shot/owned one and like it....

I'm pretty sure I want to buy a Scorpion Micro (with arm brace) as a fun 9mm little shooter. I've shot the larger SBR Scorpion and it is pretty awesome, but haven't handled the Micro yet. 

 

 

 

 

Joined:      14 January 2010                Location:  MAINE

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What difference do you anticipate between it and the normal sized one?

I have an Evo that was cut down to about the Micro size (5" barrel), with an HBI handguard. No other experience with any other PCCs, but it's nice that the aftermarket is responding to it.

Should you qualify, CZ has a pretty good pro deal, though they changed it awhile back where you had to go through a dealer instead of just directly from CZ, so a bit more of a pain.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Joined: 2008-07-16

Do it.

I had my Micro built before they were readily available. ILWT cut barrel, HBi short hand guard and grip, Ak short safety selector, Zhuok stock and adapter (stamp in hand), polished and enhanced trigger. Thing just feels good in the hand, solid. Mags are cheap and so is 9mm. With PSA and Magpul making mags the Scorpion is here to stay.

Default is right, contact their customer support for the LEO/Fire/EMS/Mil deal. Takes a good chunk off the price of the pistol and brings the mags to stupid cheap. Speaking of which, you'll probably end up with a PSA AK-V that takes Cz mags, I just picked mine up.

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Fun gun or working gun?   As a working gun, rattler is a scorpion killer all day long for those looking for a super small package.   110 GMX beats the pants off of the 135 critical duty every day of the week and twice on Sundays.    As a fun gun, HH6 loves the rattler and its an easy one to loan out given the cheap cost to feed it.   As others have said, if you can get the pro deal its easily worth it.  My early mags sucked, but the new ones have remedied the problems. 

@Default.mp3 : I like how small the micro is for storing, and when suppressed is still shorter than the regular size Scorpion. If going pistol caliber route I think the smaller the better.

 

@SoTex : fun gun only. How come the Rattler is so much better (and I think twice the price?). I still distrust Sig, despite their impending apparent takeover of lots of US Military firearms....  are you referring to the CZ pro deal or the Sig both for your price comment and mag comment? 

 

 

 

 

Joined:      14 January 2010                Location:  MAINE

LobsterClaw207 posted:

@Default.mp3 : I like how small the micro is for storing, and when suppressed is still shorter than the regular size Scorpion. If going pistol caliber route I think the smaller the better.

 

@SoTex : fun gun only. How come the Rattler is so much better (and I think twice the price?). I still distrust Sig, despite their impending apparent takeover of lots of US Military firearms....  are you referring to the CZ pro deal or the Sig both for your price comment and mag comment? 

Size is going to depend on what your goal is. I certainly went for the smaller gun simply because that's one of the few "practical" uses I could see for a PCC on the civilian side, as a backpack gun (despite that whole concept being fairly ridiculous for your typical civilian). However, for raw shooting performance, note that the vast majority of USPSA PCC shooters opt for full-sized options.

The Rattler is far better for duty use simply due to the fact that it is in .300 BLK, which will have significantly better terminal performance than 9mm.

My suppressed Evo is a fun little gun, and new shooters like it, but I honestly rarely run it myself, simply because I focus the vast majority of my shooting on my handguns. It was originally purchased to be used as a briefcase long gun, but career changes have led to that not being a feasible idea.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

老僧三十年前未參禪時、見山是山、見水是水、及至後夾親見知識、有箇入處、見山不是山、見水不是水、而今得箇體歇處、依然見山秪是山、見水秪是水。


Joined: 2008-07-16

@LobsterClaw207   I originally picked my Scorpion up at a fantastic price (pro deal) and like many others I bought it for that backpack/briefcase long gun role.    I ran some testing on the range and what I found was this: on B/C steel my advantage point was about 100 yards.  I.E.  unassing the scorpion from its carried position and status and getting one hit on steel versus drawing my pistol from concealment and getting one hit on steel.  I don't have the times off the top of my head, but they were close enough that I was convinced I didn't really have an advantage in terms of accuracy at distance until I got to that ~100 yard mark.    It also wasn't buying me much of anything ballistically given I am still slinging the same 135 Critical Duty round at only a few more FPS.  

I was turned on to the rattler by some other folks.  Im at the same place with it reference my above comment about single round hit on steel.  However, it fills some other niche mission sets perfectly do its excellent ballistic properties as compared to similarly short 5.56 setups, as well as bringing way more to the game than a pistol.  The 110 GMX out of it is not to be fucked with.  I took it to a vehicle ballistics lab and shot it head to head against the 135 critical duty, and the 55GMX barrier out of our 11.5s.    I'd take that 110 GMX every day over all of the above working at relatively close ranges around intermediate barriers, including the 55GMX out of ol faithful.     

In regards to price, the CZ pro deal is one of the better in the industry.   I got zero pro discount on the rattler and would still recommend it if you are looking for a working gun.    Regarding the mags, early issues with the Scorpion mags were numerous due to them hanging in the gun on the locking tabs.  Some dremel work sorted it out with no issues since then. I do not have any, but understand the aftermarket mags as well as current production Scorpion mags don't suffer the same issues if you were to purchase today. 

 

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