OK out taking more pics for website so today it's let's hump the FILBE bag on the DG-16 frameset.

First off, the frameset was awesome, as usual.

I was loaded up to about 40 lbs of the usual shit, including water.  Same 10K hump as Monday with the DG-3.  My time was just a bit slower, due to increased weight, and the different balance.

Couple of pics just to show you how it fits on the frame.   Up top, sleeve fits right on, stab straps in center position.

 

Working our way down, you can see the side "yib-yab" tab mated to frame, and also lower cinch strap passed through frame slot for added stability.  Also note lower frame attachments (for 1606), which are cinched around lower harness straps, and then both tails taped together.  

Here's the lower "yib-yab" tab inserted into frame.  And again the lower frame straps with tails taped together.

Not shown are lower sleep compartment straps, which were also run through slots in bottom of frame before going on to buckles on back of bag.

So it's got a sleeve on top, one yib-yab per side,  one optional cinch strap per side, and one yib-yab per side bottom, and 2 optional sleep straps on bottom.  So not quite as tied in as the Crossfire, but pretty close.  No mods are necessary to fit bag onto frame.  Although I have a few in mind, but point being, the stock bag fits right onto the DG-16 frame.   

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On "union" break.

Some thoughts.  The FILBE bag is huge.  Like most Marine wives.  But it's a nice (big) bag for when you need a full sized ruck.  If you are issued the FILBE, or pick one up surplus, this is the frameset you want.  I've tried all sorts of suspensions with the stock frame and nothing comes close.

Compared to a DG-16/Mk 7.  The FILBE bag is cut closer to the ALICE dims, so it's got more ass hanging out away from you.  This does affect your balance somewhat.  The Crossfire bags are cut more alpine style, meaning they go up rather than expand out.  So there is a noticeable difference in how they carry.  I would try and be careful to get heavy shit up next to my back, as much as possible.  But with that being said, putting one on a DG frameset gives you a vast improvement over the stock system.                

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Did another little yomp with the DG/FILBE system.  Did a little speed march with 38 lbs and pushing 90 deg.  Only did 4 miles but that was enough.  Just doing a regular run loaded up for fun.  There's good and bad with this.  The good is that this morning's run was a breeze.  The bad is it really sucks at the time.  

Some take-aways.  The bag size, therefor the distance away from your back, does make a significant difference  in the scheme of things.  I mean to get right down to it, for a work out, put steel plates in a "Go Ruck"  pack and do your thing.  But for some training value, you need an actual load out, which is more difficult to carry.  So balance as usual.  The DG-3 is king in this regard.  The larger rucks come with a price.  Which you sometimes have to pay.

There is a reason guys modified issued boots into "road march" boots.  You need the extra cushioning on asphalt and concrete.  Pat attention to road surface.  Use max cushion for hard surfaces.  You can now buy boots like this ready-made, so this is a no-brainer.  I prefer a 6" boot, as a good compromise between support and freedom of movement.  Lots out there, Lowa, Reebook, Nike, Solomon, etc.

Use a waist belt wherever possible.  Makes a huge difference.  It's twice as hard, with all the weight on your shoulders, IMO.  

The FILBE is a decent bag, when you need to go that big.  They are so damn cheap, it's hard not to like them.  I may take one apart and "down-size" it one of these days.  There are things I don't like that need changing, which I will cover at another time.  

The DG frameset gives new life to older bag designs.  If you've suffered through road marches with issue pack systems, you're in for a real treat.  Taking that aching pain out of your back and shoulders, or at least mitigating it to bearable levels makes all the difference.   

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Any chance that FILBE ruck opens up enough to accommodate a 30L bear barrel?  Say like a 15" mouth? I'm looking for an excuse to pick up one of these rucks. Bear barrel harnesses are boring and besides if I'm going to carry that weight/bulk on a portage I'd like it to do more than just carry the barrel. 

 

 

 

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Huh, yeah brother, you're cleared hot; that bag will swallow up your bear bbl and then some.  

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Update; got a great deal on a complete FILBE ruck, used. Received it today; bear barrel fit but barely. I actually had to remove the lid, and push it through the bottom sleeping bag compartment, then put the lid on.  But it fits! Thanks a lot! Bad ass. Doing more research on this pack; I had no idea it was designed by MR; it feels better already. 

 

 

 

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DG Frame question....

Do you think this would mate with a Mystery Ranch or Kuiu or similar hunting bag, with ability to carry a load of meat between the bag and the frame? I've attached a photo of a stone glacier pack to show what I mean.

Normally Id just buy an MR or Kuiu or Stone glacier or similar, but if I could use one frame as a long back  for hunting, and the same frame as a short back with my webbing for mil stuff, that would be awesome.

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First off, good analysis and pics Diz.

After a reasonably long marriage to ILBE (where I found the alpine style comfortable), the transition to FLBE highlights the disconnect with requirements and selection criteria, against actual usage parameters.

Maybe they got lazy and figured that the packs would spend the majority of their time strapped onto an AAV, LAV, M-ATV or other motorized asset and rarely humped.  The project manager was a former plt cmdr of mine (Motor-T MOS) from day as a H&S company commander, but a prior 0311 IIRC.  I spent a lot of time with him on the phone when I was OpsO of the School of Infantry-West, trying to work out the frame breakage and harness/bag stitching failure problems when these first came out.

I found that even with compression strap use, it is a sloppy bag.  More so with the three-day pack attached.  And as you noted, it presents a moment arm factor which is worse than ILBE.

75-90% of Marines would be better off with a sea bag and a good three-day pack in combat.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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Yeah, the FILBE has some potential, with some tweaks, especially with a new frame.  With a DG-16 frame, I have now sewn in 4 tabs per side, with top sleeve, and two bag compression straps passed through bottom frame slots.   This significantly improves how bag is anchored to frame.  Also, I always zip sleep compartment together to give a rectangle form to bag, versus just letting it bulge out round, like an ALICE.  I'll do another hump is this config and post up.     

On the "Overload" concept, yeah that's totally doable with the DG system.  In fact, I think it would perform better than an internal frame MR or Kuiu pack.  I think the DG-3 pack bag, with a DG-3 frameset as a shortback with belt kit, and the DG-16 frameset as a longback with full waist belt, for meat-hauling, would be the shit.  You'd just need some extra straps to rig for meat hauling.  Yeah I know it works with the MR and would probably work with Kuiu; have to take a closer look.    

Another concept is a CB DG-3 in longback form, as a low pro "get home" pack, and a MC DG-3 in shortback for full load outs and combat/recce patrols.  I think this is the way I'm gonna go.     

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