Apparently, this seems to have escaped most peoples' attention, and I am sure not too many here are going to lose any sleep over it, but DPMS, Bushmaster, Storm Lake and Tapco brands are being shut down by their parent company in order to concentrate on their core products.

Regards.

Mark

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I saw this too. Tapco makes a few misc AK products that are decent. Although there are many other third party companies that will probably fill that void. Not too sad about DPMS and Bushmaster being no more. I'm willing to bet Anderson and other like companies took a big bite of the budget AR market from them.

Buddie from TAPCO used to be a poster on the FAL Files until some posters there mocked the replacement furniture he created. I got some great surplus deals from him back in the day.

Beautiful. Now I can use this as leverage to get our 20 year old Bushmaster carbines with carbine gas and commercial reciever extensions  replaced.

"The Bushmaster AR company went out of business, so warranty support and parts are going to be hard to get soon. Let's sell them while we still can and buy BCM 11.5" carbines." -Me, probably soon.

Longeye posted:

Beautiful. Now I can use this as leverage to get our 20 year old Bushmaster carbines with carbine gas and commercial reciever extensions  replaced.

"The Bushmaster AR company went out of business, so warranty support and parts are going to be hard to get soon. Let's sell them while we still can and buy BCM 11.5" carbines." -Me, probably soon.

"Never let a crisis go to waste!"

-you, probably right now 

MWL posted:

... brands are being shut down by their parent company in order to concentrate on their core products.

 

At the risk of possibly asking a question that may be so well known it is stupid but what are their core products?

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Remington Outdoor Company informed RSR at the SHOT Show that they will be focusing on their core hunting and shooting brands – AAC, Barnes, Marlin and Remington. Bushmaster, DPMS, StormLake Barrels and Tapco will no longer be produced, with the exception of the Bushmaster BA50.

Answer: Fudd stuff, and presumably still government contracts. Might just be the plummeting costs with everyone making an MSR, but doesn't mean we don't all wish everyone would stop acquiring companies... to shut them down later. Also see: FLIR. 

I cannot explain the .50 unless they got a contract for that one from someone also. 

Does Remington still have the R 15 and R 25 line? If so maybe they are going to push the R line over the DPMS and Bushmaster lines.

 I know in 2015 when I was at the factory they were just finishing up an order for the Phillipine military.  We were told it was the first time the PI had gotten weapons that were new and not surplus. ( I can believe that after being stationed there for 3 years and seeing what they had then).

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MAC08 posted:

Does Remington still have the R 15 and R 25 line? If so maybe they are going to push the R line over the DPMS and Bushmaster lines.

Iknow in 2015 when I was at the factory they were just finishing up an order for the Phillipine military.  We were told it was the first time the PI had gotten weapons that were new and not surplus. ( I can believe that after being sttioned there for 3 years and seeing what they had then).

You may be on to something. While all the discontinued lines were first "announced" by removing their websites, and largely blanking their product line from the Rem corporate site: 

https://www.remington.com/rifl...-sporting/model-r-15

The he R15 is still there. And there's a whole, VERY hunting oriented, MSR page with several models: 

https://www.remington.com/rifles/modern-sporting

Pricey ones. 

Also an interesting view into their mindset maybe, play with the weapon finder on the left side of most pages. 

Bottom item, pick Passion (they mean application, but marketing guys, amirite?). Pick:

  • Personal Protection: "No Results Found."
  • Home Security: "No Results Found."
  • Tactical:  bunch of plastic stocked or al chassis bolt guns

Ah, didn't know Rem. was the mothership.

Does the concentrating on their "core" mean they will stop marketing clothes and the assorted China stuff?   When a gun company markets everything from  toasters, cereal,  and dog squeaky toys under their label it might be a  clue that their core may have dropped out their sphincter. 

If any firearms co. really wanted to focus on their core they should first increase their QC instead of pushing it off on the consumer.

 

So that old Bushmaster that's sat in the safe unused for years (don't judge, I was young and didn't know any better) can now be cleaned up and sold to someone at a premium since, "they don't make these anymore"!

I didn't know there were issues in particular with Storm Lake, but the other brands are not known for their quality reputation.  About the only thing good from Tapco are their AK trigger sets and the AK hammer and trigger pin retainer plate that replaces the wire shepherd's crook.  I'll probably buy a couple of the plates before they are gone from the store.  Though I have no doubts someone else will pick up the slack.

Bushmaster is pretty much poison.  They've got a big bullseye on their backs because Bushmaster rifles were used in a number of "mass" shootings.  So I expect part of the decision is damage control.  If you want Bushmaster clone, Wyndham Weaponry started up making the same guns, with the same quality, in the same location, after Remington purchased the name and started making them in NY.  Bushmaster and DPMS have also been facing competition from companies making better guns at lower prices.  Tough to stay in business.

My bottom line conclusion?  Remington leadership decided that the political winds are blowing the wrong way and they are better served by  distancing themselves.  You could defend their decision as not taking a political stance, just an economical one.  However, I'm not going to defend them.  They need to get their house in order on their core guns that have had quality control problems for awhile.

Apparently, Storm Lake was good but before had been declining in quality and CS. At least that's some forum impressions, no personal experience, no stats to back it.

Seems plausible if Big Green had already started to pre-hate them, cut budgets, and maybe some off the smart folks saw this coming and left early with no replacements. I have been through some mergers, etc. 

stray round posted:

Ah, didn't know Rem. was the mothership.

Does the concentrating on their "core" mean they will stop marketing clothes and the assorted China stuff?   When a gun company markets everything from  toasters, cereal,  and dog squeaky toys under their label it might be a  clue that their core may have dropped out their sphincter. 

If any firearms co. really wanted to focus on their core they should first increase their QC instead of pushing it off on the consumer.

 

100% agreed! I still have NIB Armalite Toaster that I somehow acquired. Yes a sliced bread one...lol

I am now in two minds what to do about my DPMS GII. I have just about got it where I want it, except for getting constant brass to the face (left hander), and I was looking at a second precision upper to go along with the shorter "battle rifle" I currently have it configured as.

Regards.

Mark

I have a Storm Lake barrel for my M&P1.0 that was purchased and fitted through Grant at G&R Tactical a number of years ago. It's a sample size of one, but it fixed the inconsistency in accuracy and I've been very happy with it.

Now that their doors are closed I suppose when/if it fails I'll replace it with an Apex barrel. NBD.

Well, my experience with them, when Remi bought out Para, was that they sucked up any and all technical knowledge from the acquired brand, and then shut it down.  That's just been their MO.

I was not impressed by upper management; they seemed like corporate types more concerned with their careers and making money, and didn't have time to listen to any blue collar types.  In other words, business as usual.  They were repeatedly told a certain pistol was not ready for public launch, yet they had 10K pre-orders and went ahead with it anyway.   And when it shit the bed, they refused to accept blame for their shitty engineering and blamed the workers for faulty assembly.

The fact that these brands were shit-canned comes as no surprised, based on the above.  Add in political dimensions, sales, and what-not and you have the perfect storm.  These brands were acquired cheaply to assimilate their knowledge of weapons types.  When the brand became a liability, they were tossed out.

Now the funny things.  First, Para was a funny little company that in reality had no "secret sauce" worth the buy out price.  You would have been better off to attend a good gunsmithing course on the 1911 and come up with your own designs.  The second is Remi was caught leaning the wrong way; after spending a lot of time and money acquiring this "tactical" mfg's, they now can't get rid of them fast enough.  

And what do you want to bet, the same geniuses that set about this COA, and now reversing course as rapidly as possible, are getting big bonuses and promotions for their new foresight.        

stray round posted:

Ah, didn't know Rem. was the mothership.

Does the concentrating on their "core" mean they will stop marketing clothes and the assorted China stuff?   When a gun company markets everything from  toasters, cereal,  and dog squeaky toys under their label it might be a  clue that their core may have dropped out their sphincter. 

If any firearms co. really wanted to focus on their core they should first increase their QC instead of pushing it off on the consumer.

 

“Dropped out their sphincter “

I’m stealing  that one.  

Diz posted:

 

And what do you want to bet, the same geniuses that set about this COA, and now reversing course as rapidly as possible, are getting big bonuses and promotions for their new foresight.        

I can't figure out how this works in the corporate world.  Short memory, rewarding failure,  or ?, it's beyond me.

Same with mgmt. that run a company into the ground, they then are hired by someone else for more bucks because of their "experience."

But then it works in the public sector too now that I think about it.   The old "you've got to screw up to move up" is alive and well. 

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