New position requires wearing a dark suit while still carrying Gun, Ammo, (light weight ) Baton, MACE etc...
My searches for "Covert Tactical Suits" are failing me.
What do you wear?

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

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Might have to be tailored from the ground up, or at least altered, if you don’t want it to look like a tater sack.

To get a baseline of the sizing required to serve as the base, go to a Men’s Wearhouse with your getup and have them fit you.  They will be able to tell you what you need.  Shop wherever you prefer from that point.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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Do you need a suit or a sport jacket ensemble? Arcteryx has their Veilance line which includes a covert sport jacket, Only down side is that it is only available in a S M L Xl sizing with no tall option.

There are a couple threads here that cover suits and dress clothes pretty well- Let me see if I can find them. They are from a couple years back.

 

You are right in my wheel-house after 16+ years of dress-suit-based EP work...   Best option, as jcustisredux states, is custom tailor from the start. 

You can do Mens Whorehouse or Jose`Banks, but I've found those suits tend to:  a) wear out as fast as anything due to your gear and likely activity level,  b) end up costing you just as much as custom when you factor in the alterations you need, and c) due to the likely alterations you very possibly end up looking like a soup sandwich in your big brother's suit.  If you just need 1 or 2 suits for the urgent and/or occasional gig and you're an easy/off-the-rack fit, they are certainly an adequate solution, but if you're going to be dressed like this 40+ hrs/week (and particularly if your clientele is high profile and you're going to find yourself inadvertently photographed....), you'll be thankful you did it right by going custom.

There are some custom tailors that do alot of work for EP, cops, DSS, and USSS types.  One that I've used with good results is Hong Kong based, but does a traveling roadshow around the US 2-3x per year, doing sizing and fitting by appointment, then ships you your items a few weeks later.  He's got a full palate of colors, fabrics, price points, etc. and does shirts also (Note I HATE the fit of off-the rack shirts, way too baggy...)  Its not uncommon to walk into an appointment with him and see guys doing a fitting in full belt/kit and low-viz armor, and they'll be simulating a shooting stance/sitting/squatting (crotch tightness is problem with the trend toward tighter European-cut suits...), and then getting into the finer points of size, quantity, and placement of pockets and belt loops.  You'll want to do same if you want anything to fit right while actually working.  I know he's coming for another round in July-Aug.  PM me for details.

Lastly - There's also the http://www.coolactionsuitDOTcom  supposedly designed with input from USSS/DSS types, but I dont know anyone personally who has one who can offer review.  I'm wary of buying a suit off the internet without a proper tailor, but I'm hard to fit anyway..... YMMV.

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Having a suit tailor to hide a gun ammo and cuffs is one thing, trying to get a full duty belt in their with baton and mace is gonna start making things difficult. No way to minimize that down some more? Suits using batons isn't a common sight.

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g258 posted:


There are some custom tailors that do alot of work for EP, cops, DSS, and USSS types.  One that I've used with good results is Hong Kong based, but does a traveling roadshow around the US 2-3x per year, doing sizing and fitting by appointment, then ships you your items a few weeks later.  He's got a full palate of colors, fabrics, price points, etc. and does shirts also (Note I HATE the fit of off-the rack shirts, way too baggy...)  Its not uncommon to walk into an appointment with him and see guys doing a fitting in full belt/kit and low-viz armor, and they'll be simulating a shooting stance/sitting/squatting (crotch tightness is problem with the trend toward tighter European-cut suits...), and then getting into the finer points of size, quantity, and placement of pockets and belt loops.  You'll want to do same if you want anything to fit right while actually working.  I know he's coming for another round in July-Aug.  PM me for details.

I don't have a lane in this topic but I have to comment.  When someone OWNS a niche because they do it right, you have to applaud.  What a businessman.  It sounds like he comes prepared and provides the service.  I have no doubt that the price will make you blink the first time, but after the service and product, you'll be lining up again and again.   I love it.

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Dorsai posted:
g258 posted:


There are some custom tailors that do alot of work for EP, cops, DSS, and USSS types.  One that I've used with good results is Hong Kong based, but does a traveling roadshow around the US 2-3x per year, doing sizing and fitting by appointment, then ships you your items a few weeks later.  He's got a full palate of colors, fabrics, price points, etc. and does shirts also (Note I HATE the fit of off-the rack shirts, way too baggy...)  Its not uncommon to walk into an appointment with him and see guys doing a fitting in full belt/kit and low-viz armor, and they'll be simulating a shooting stance/sitting/squatting (crotch tightness is problem with the trend toward tighter European-cut suits...), and then getting into the finer points of size, quantity, and placement of pockets and belt loops.  You'll want to do same if you want anything to fit right while actually working.  I know he's coming for another round in July-Aug.  PM me for details.

I don't have a lane in this topic but I have to comment.  When someone OWNS a niche because they do it right, you have to applaud.  What a businessman.  It sounds like he comes prepared and provides the service.  I have no doubt that the price will make you blink the first time, but after the service and product, you'll be lining up again and again.   I love it.

Exactly. 

I am hesitant to openly endorse him as the end-all/be-all for this type of work, as I am sure there are others that do same, and varying or competitive price points, and are US-based.  I also know some folks have different policies for dealings with  FORNATs, even when doing business CONUS...

I have been happy with results the 6-8 times I've used him (he keeps your sizing on file, so subsequent visits can be streamlined if you haven't gotten too fat in the meantime... so I've heard), so I have found no reason to seek out of drink from another well.  As Brother Pat old us again and again:  Buy once, cry one.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

Joined:  6/10/09          Location:  WDC area  (most of the time...)

 

Longeye posted:

Do you need a suit or a sport jacket ensemble? Arcteryx has their Veilance line which includes a covert sport jacket, Only down side is that it is only available in a S M L Xl sizing with no tall option.

There are a couple threads here that cover suits and dress clothes pretty well- Let me see if I can find them. They are from a couple years back.

 

Sport coat, pants tir...etc

Just been eating trough good dress suits and seems not doing well after some events.

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

I'll throw this out there if you travel a bunch and have an off the rack type body. I've been wearing a lot of Bluffworks stuff lately. Today I was wearing their pants, shirt, and a blazer. You have to work really hard to wrinkle their stuff (I routinely toss the blazer in a backpack or messenger bag without worries). The pants have great pockets for carrying some handy stuff but can look awkward depending on your body type. Not really in line with the complete question but they are much better than the Veilance stuff for a "performance" item that blends in. 

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

Thank you, Doctor, I would appreciate a copy.

I used to like Joseph Abood suits that looked good and did not let the pistol  print. But they disappeared from where I shopped, (I stopped buying when I retired).  a lot will depend on your body type and the ability of the alteration people. find a salesman attuned to your issues and stick with him.

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

Same here Doc.

One day the Radical Jihadists are going to run into the wrong kind of Christian.

A lot of great information and am thinking I'll talk to a few tailors to see if they can address the requirements.

Look dressy but use wear well materials
Designed for free movement in crotch, armpits and across back.
Re-enforced for gear: Pocket Knife, Armor, Etc...
1 3/4" Belt loops
Telescoping Waist Band

Found:
https://spotterup.com/suit-man...-or-concealed-carry/
https://spotterup.com/how-to-f...s-suit-part-1-pants/

What requirements would you add?

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

I too would like a copy. 

We actually found it useful to build in a 30min block of instruction on this topic for our recruits; I'm always interested in seeing how others approach things.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

Joined:  6/10/09          Location:  WDC area  (most of the time...)

 

Blacky Houston posted:

A lot of great information and am thinking I'll talk to a few tailors to see if they can address the requirements.

Look dressy but use wear well materials
Designed for free movement in crotch, armpits and across back.
Re-enforced for gear: Pocket Knife, Armor, Etc...
1 3/4" Belt loops
Telescoping Waist Band

Found:
https://spotterup.com/suit-man...-or-concealed-carry/
https://spotterup.com/how-to-f...s-suit-part-1-pants/

What requirements would you add?

- ditch the typical satin/sateen lining in the jacket on the gun side (or both depending on your opposite side gear setup).  Any decently 'grippy' pistol grip will eventually wear away that lining; have it replaced with a heavy cotton/canvas patch.

 - if you load down your belt with other typical gear (baton/OC?, radio, 2+ extra mags, IFAK, espresso maker, etc...) you're going to max out the abilities of even the best belts to stay up all day.  This has become even more of an issue as pants have trended to a lower-rise waist in recent years.... Consider Perry Suspenders (they hook to your belt vs your pants) to transfer some of that weight off your hips, and keep you from having to crank in the belt as the day wears on.   I know suspenders aren't the most fashionable accessory in 2018, but if done right, nobody will see them unless you take off your jacket anyway.  With a little ingenuity, I also have found you can use the suspender fronts as a makeshift LBE - they're just about the same width as a SOFT/CAT (one side, reachable by either hand!).  I keep a small backup Streamlight Stylus on the other side.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

Joined:  6/10/09          Location:  WDC area  (most of the time...)

 

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

I would like a copy also Doc. Thank you very much.

"Learning is the journey...."

Pat Rogers


"Good Medicine In Bad Places"

Me too, Doc.. one of these days i will make detective and have to dress up more..

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Sorry for the late response--our new Residents started this week......never get sick or injured in July or August.  

Through some quirk of fate, I have ended up as the Attending on 24 hour call for the next 5 days--suffice to say that I will be busy.

If you want a copy of the suit info you need to message me your email and I promise to have it to you by Independence Day.

For fitting suits in general, if you are "athletically built" i.e. your chest to waist ratio ("drop" in men's fashion parlance) is greater than 6", off the rack suits are usually a no-go.    Made to measure is a good choice.  Your tailor measures your body, you pick the suit cut & details like fabric, linings, belt loops, etc. and they email your specifications to a factory that makes the suit to your desires and ships it to your tailor.  It is cheaper than a true bespoke suit but gives you much more control over what you want and requires the bare minimum of fitting and alteration upon receipt.   Selecting a good tailor whom you can develop a solid relationship with is important.  They can educate you regarding what is appropriate for appearance and fit.  When it comes to belt loops, you may have to have them placed in an irregular pattern due to where you place your holster and accessories on your waist.  If you wear an ankle holster for either gun, IFAK, or TQ, stay away from slacks that have a slim cut at the cuff. 

Dress shirt fit can also be an issue if you are in decent shape.  Be prepared to have them fitted as well.  Depending on personal taste and clientele expectation, french cuffs (the kind that require cuff links) or barrel cuffs (the normal button kind) are different options as well.  If you wear larger watches like a diver's watch you may also want the cuffs to be two different sizes.  Also, your jacket sleeve length is important depending on the amount of cuff you want exposed.  Shirts are also going to wear out faster from rubbing on your gun and other equipment. 

Other things you need to consider is belt, shoe, and leather gear selection.  Shoes that look good but are also comfortable and supportive are hard to come by.  Generally speaking, lace-ups are better in these regards than loafers.  Belts should be custom made and will be costly but are worth the price if done properly.  Consider having your leather gear and belt made by the same person.  Personally I would suggest having at least two if not three complete setups (belt, shoes, and leather gear), one in brown, one in black, and possibly one in cordovan.  By going this route, you can wear the same suit multiple times but with a different tie and accessories to make it look like you are wearing a different outfit.  It will also allow you to tailor your look to your clientele.  For instance, older more traditional clients might expect "the help" to sport the more subdued look of a navy suit with black wingtip shoes and belt while younger more "hip" clients might appreciate the flair of the brown cap toed shoes and belt combo with a navy suit. 

Ties (including tie tacks or bars), pocket squares, and watches also should be matched to client expectations.  Generally speaking, try to mimic what the client wears as far as style unless the client looks like a sack of shit, because there are plenty of guys & gals with money that have zero fashion sense.  A good rule of thumb is if there is any doubt, lean toward a more conservative traditional style of dress.  Think more Brookes Brother and less Armani. 

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I wore suits almost exclusively for the last five or so years of my career. Before that I wore them for court or big meetings for work, and limited social occasions.  I always bought suits on sale at Jos. A Banks. I never had issue with sporting the belt gear I carried during the fitting process. I considered these a good happy medium: the suits looked good and wore well. Granted, I was a boss by that time and I wasn't jumping fences, running down dark alleys, or hooking and jabbing with bad guys so "wear and tear" meant not spilling coffee on myself or snagging a pocket on a desk drawer. Daily I carried a Glock 22 (then a 23), spare mags, and cuffs on the belt and a 27 in an ankle holster.

I never tried to look like 007 (and with the amount of gear the OP said he needed to carry not sure you could), just be able to carry what I needed and not have it print or look like somebody threw a blue pinstripe poncho liner over a refrigerator. The custom guy thing was out there but living in a high COLA area plus making a mortgage and helping to pay for kid's college just didn't make that possible.

I will echo the usefulness of black, brown, and cordovan (ox blood) belts and shoes and ties that let you mix things up. Very useful and can help you transition from formal business setting to night time semi-formal setting just by changing your leather gear.

Be prepared, if you stay in the gig long enough, to have stuff wear out and replace it. This stuff is not made to weld in. Try to find the happy medium of price you are willing to pay (can afford)/looks good/fits well.

if you want a man to keep his head when the crisis comes you must give him some training before it comes. - Seneca

Like a lot of things in life, for example firearms, I wish I had learned about proper men's clothing earlier in my career and had not wasted time and funds on poor choices.  It is much wiser to initially spend more money acquiring quality gear/clothing that will offer many years of good service, than to choose cheaper, poorly made stuff that will rapidly wear-out or go out of style.

I wear suits each week but only have my Shield, reload and 2 cells to carry.  I'm in shape but stay away from the athletic cuts and enjoy a full cut shirt also. Never print or worry; a quality gun belt is a must. And I haven't worn a tie in over a year

I may be wrong but I think it will be tough to hang all that gear under a business suit.  Current “designer” fad is the tight fit jacket that is short and none too professional.  I just dont get that look.  I second the made to measure option.  A lot of smaller mens clothing stores have the option.  Or try O’Connells mail order in  Buffalo.   Great store but pricey

The real trick is to find the real deal tailor.  Not the guy who just does sleeves and pant legs, but the guy who can make your work for you.  Thats how you get the right fit

My reload is carried in an old school cell phone holder. Stays undercover, doesn’t drag down my pocket and balances the shield a wee bit. but as an older guy, wearing the not so form fitting suit doesn’t catch anyone’s eye as unusual. Sometimes it cool to be uncool....

Perry suspenders if your carrying a lot of kit under a jacket..

Ill echo what everyone has already said....

also, if funds are tight don't blow off the thrift stores....I saw a nice corduroy Jos a banks blazer newarly new for 12 bucks....it was size 46 but I'm a 44. Again, make sure you buy the size your supposed to be wearing ....not too tight and not too loose

 

Looks like the answer for me is HAGGAR Suit Separates in Gabardine with Hidden Expandable Waist.  and Sport Coat in Classic Cut.

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

Late to the party. Speaking as a 25 yr atty  who carries often and  who worked at Macy's in a former life.

Your initial selection is fairly modest in terms of quality/wool content etc relative to many of the previous recommendations.  Some random thoughts.

1. the leather of your 1.25-1.5 inch double thickness purpose designed leather gunbelt when mated to a quality holster  is an excellent start as were the Perry Suspenders if you really are going to have a bat belt. Many off the rack pants' belt loops do not play well with a 1.75 inch wide gunbelt. 

2. The color of your very shined leather shoes should match your belt. I am fond of Allen Edmonds  and and Eccos in the OEM leather soled/rubber soled categories, respectively.

3. A modest suit that fits you well,  pressed well, when worn with an obviously ironed/laundered shirt and quality 100% silk tie can get your over the top. 

4. A simple pocket square makes any suit pop.  

4. Your gear is going to start to wear holes in the liner of your suit jackets fairly quickly. Unless or until you have them "double lined" with a heavier fabric,  the judicious application of a couple of layers of clear packing tape in those spots with extend the liner life almost indefinitely. 

YMMV Greatly. be safe and well.

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“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

Writing as someone who was in the corporate world for many years, I suggest:

1. Always go with top flight fabrics like wool. Some new wool blends now have some elastic so  there is some give - may be nice. They weren't available in my suit days. Good wool fabric drapes very nicely.

2. Back in the days when "Today's Man" was in business, they had suits that came with two pairs of pants - that was great. Once in the office, I took off my jacket for the day, so the pants got a lot of wear.  If you go the custom route, look into an extra pair of pants.

3. The same suit and shoes shouldn't be worn every day. Put them in a rotation - they will last longer and you will look better with a slightly different look every day.

4. Make sure the suit fits. I've seen people who have very broad shoulders, buy suits that are wide enough for the shoulders, but they hang straight down, resulting in a body that looks like a refrigerator.

5. Use a mirror - take a look at how you look. So many people out there make you wonder if they owned a mirror and realize how they look.

 

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