New position requires wearing a dark suit while still carrying Gun, Ammo, (light weight ) Baton, MACE etc...
My searches for "Covert Tactical Suits" are failing me.
What do you wear?

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

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Might have to be tailored from the ground up, or at least altered, if you don’t want it to look like a tater sack.

To get a baseline of the sizing required to serve as the base, go to a Men’s Wearhouse with your getup and have them fit you.  They will be able to tell you what you need.  Shop wherever you prefer from that point.

It is better that they do it imperfectly than that you do it perfectly. For it is their war and their country and your time here is limited.

 

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Do you need a suit or a sport jacket ensemble? Arcteryx has their Veilance line which includes a covert sport jacket, Only down side is that it is only available in a S M L Xl sizing with no tall option.

There are a couple threads here that cover suits and dress clothes pretty well- Let me see if I can find them. They are from a couple years back.

 

You are right in my wheel-house after 16+ years of dress-suit-based EP work...   Best option, as jcustisredux states, is custom tailor from the start. 

You can do Mens Whorehouse or Jose`Banks, but I've found those suits tend to:  a) wear out as fast as anything due to your gear and likely activity level,  b) end up costing you just as much as custom when you factor in the alterations you need, and c) due to the likely alterations you very possibly end up looking like a soup sandwich in your big brother's suit.  If you just need 1 or 2 suits for the urgent and/or occasional gig and you're an easy/off-the-rack fit, they are certainly an adequate solution, but if you're going to be dressed like this 40+ hrs/week (and particularly if your clientele is high profile and you're going to find yourself inadvertently photographed....), you'll be thankful you did it right by going custom.

There are some custom tailors that do alot of work for EP, cops, DSS, and USSS types.  One that I've used with good results is Hong Kong based, but does a traveling roadshow around the US 2-3x per year, doing sizing and fitting by appointment, then ships you your items a few weeks later.  He's got a full palate of colors, fabrics, price points, etc. and does shirts also (Note I HATE the fit of off-the rack shirts, way too baggy...)  Its not uncommon to walk into an appointment with him and see guys doing a fitting in full belt/kit and low-viz armor, and they'll be simulating a shooting stance/sitting/squatting (crotch tightness is problem with the trend toward tighter European-cut suits...), and then getting into the finer points of size, quantity, and placement of pockets and belt loops.  You'll want to do same if you want anything to fit right while actually working.  I know he's coming for another round in July-Aug.  PM me for details.

Lastly - There's also the http://www.coolactionsuitDOTcom  supposedly designed with input from USSS/DSS types, but I dont know anyone personally who has one who can offer review.  I'm wary of buying a suit off the internet without a proper tailor, but I'm hard to fit anyway..... YMMV.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

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Having a suit tailor to hide a gun ammo and cuffs is one thing, trying to get a full duty belt in their with baton and mace is gonna start making things difficult. No way to minimize that down some more? Suits using batons isn't a common sight.

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g258 posted:


There are some custom tailors that do alot of work for EP, cops, DSS, and USSS types.  One that I've used with good results is Hong Kong based, but does a traveling roadshow around the US 2-3x per year, doing sizing and fitting by appointment, then ships you your items a few weeks later.  He's got a full palate of colors, fabrics, price points, etc. and does shirts also (Note I HATE the fit of off-the rack shirts, way too baggy...)  Its not uncommon to walk into an appointment with him and see guys doing a fitting in full belt/kit and low-viz armor, and they'll be simulating a shooting stance/sitting/squatting (crotch tightness is problem with the trend toward tighter European-cut suits...), and then getting into the finer points of size, quantity, and placement of pockets and belt loops.  You'll want to do same if you want anything to fit right while actually working.  I know he's coming for another round in July-Aug.  PM me for details.

I don't have a lane in this topic but I have to comment.  When someone OWNS a niche because they do it right, you have to applaud.  What a businessman.  It sounds like he comes prepared and provides the service.  I have no doubt that the price will make you blink the first time, but after the service and product, you'll be lining up again and again.   I love it.

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Dorsai posted:
g258 posted:


There are some custom tailors that do alot of work for EP, cops, DSS, and USSS types.  One that I've used with good results is Hong Kong based, but does a traveling roadshow around the US 2-3x per year, doing sizing and fitting by appointment, then ships you your items a few weeks later.  He's got a full palate of colors, fabrics, price points, etc. and does shirts also (Note I HATE the fit of off-the rack shirts, way too baggy...)  Its not uncommon to walk into an appointment with him and see guys doing a fitting in full belt/kit and low-viz armor, and they'll be simulating a shooting stance/sitting/squatting (crotch tightness is problem with the trend toward tighter European-cut suits...), and then getting into the finer points of size, quantity, and placement of pockets and belt loops.  You'll want to do same if you want anything to fit right while actually working.  I know he's coming for another round in July-Aug.  PM me for details.

I don't have a lane in this topic but I have to comment.  When someone OWNS a niche because they do it right, you have to applaud.  What a businessman.  It sounds like he comes prepared and provides the service.  I have no doubt that the price will make you blink the first time, but after the service and product, you'll be lining up again and again.   I love it.

Exactly. 

I am hesitant to openly endorse him as the end-all/be-all for this type of work, as I am sure there are others that do same, and varying or competitive price points, and are US-based.  I also know some folks have different policies for dealings with  FORNATs, even when doing business CONUS...

I have been happy with results the 6-8 times I've used him (he keeps your sizing on file, so subsequent visits can be streamlined if you haven't gotten too fat in the meantime... so I've heard), so I have found no reason to seek out of drink from another well.  As Brother Pat old us again and again:  Buy once, cry one.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

Joined:  6/10/09          Location:  WDC area  (most of the time...)

 

Longeye posted:

Do you need a suit or a sport jacket ensemble? Arcteryx has their Veilance line which includes a covert sport jacket, Only down side is that it is only available in a S M L Xl sizing with no tall option.

There are a couple threads here that cover suits and dress clothes pretty well- Let me see if I can find them. They are from a couple years back.

 

Sport coat, pants tir...etc

Just been eating trough good dress suits and seems not doing well after some events.

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

I'll throw this out there if you travel a bunch and have an off the rack type body. I've been wearing a lot of Bluffworks stuff lately. Today I was wearing their pants, shirt, and a blazer. You have to work really hard to wrinkle their stuff (I routinely toss the blazer in a backpack or messenger bag without worries). The pants have great pockets for carrying some handy stuff but can look awkward depending on your body type. Not really in line with the complete question but they are much better than the Veilance stuff for a "performance" item that blends in. 

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

Thank you, Doctor, I would appreciate a copy.

I used to like Joseph Abood suits that looked good and did not let the pistol  print. But they disappeared from where I shopped, (I stopped buying when I retired).  a lot will depend on your body type and the ability of the alteration people. find a salesman attuned to your issues and stick with him.

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

Same here Doc.

One day the Radical Jihadists are going to run into the wrong kind of Christian.

A lot of great information and am thinking I'll talk to a few tailors to see if they can address the requirements.

Look dressy but use wear well materials
Designed for free movement in crotch, armpits and across back.
Re-enforced for gear: Pocket Knife, Armor, Etc...
1 3/4" Belt loops
Telescoping Waist Band

Found:
https://spotterup.com/suit-man...-or-concealed-carry/
https://spotterup.com/how-to-f...s-suit-part-1-pants/

What requirements would you add?

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” —Saint Augustine

 

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

I too would like a copy. 

We actually found it useful to build in a 30min block of instruction on this topic for our recruits; I'm always interested in seeing how others approach things.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

Joined:  6/10/09          Location:  WDC area  (most of the time...)

 

Blacky Houston posted:

A lot of great information and am thinking I'll talk to a few tailors to see if they can address the requirements.

Look dressy but use wear well materials
Designed for free movement in crotch, armpits and across back.
Re-enforced for gear: Pocket Knife, Armor, Etc...
1 3/4" Belt loops
Telescoping Waist Band

Found:
https://spotterup.com/suit-man...-or-concealed-carry/
https://spotterup.com/how-to-f...s-suit-part-1-pants/

What requirements would you add?

- ditch the typical satin/sateen lining in the jacket on the gun side (or both depending on your opposite side gear setup).  Any decently 'grippy' pistol grip will eventually wear away that lining; have it replaced with a heavy cotton/canvas patch.

 - if you load down your belt with other typical gear (baton/OC?, radio, 2+ extra mags, IFAK, espresso maker, etc...) you're going to max out the abilities of even the best belts to stay up all day.  This has become even more of an issue as pants have trended to a lower-rise waist in recent years.... Consider Perry Suspenders (they hook to your belt vs your pants) to transfer some of that weight off your hips, and keep you from having to crank in the belt as the day wears on.   I know suspenders aren't the most fashionable accessory in 2018, but if done right, nobody will see them unless you take off your jacket anyway.  With a little ingenuity, I also have found you can use the suspender fronts as a makeshift LBE - they're just about the same width as a SOFT/CAT (one side, reachable by either hand!).  I keep a small backup Streamlight Stylus on the other side.

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"Of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there; Eighty are nothing but targets; Nine are real fighters... We are lucky to have them... They make the battle. Ah; but One; One of them is a Warrior... And he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus (Circa 500 B.C.)

 

Joined:  6/10/09          Location:  WDC area  (most of the time...)

 

DocGKR posted:

During the work week, if I am not in scrubs, I am in a suit; weekends might be a sport coat.  There are a lot of things that go into getting it right and a lot of ways to go wrong...

I have a handout available on this subject if anyone wants a copy, just let me know.

I would like a copy also Doc. Thank you very much.

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