Elcan Specter DR 5.56

Anybody here have any trigger time behind one of these? If so, what do you think about them for an all around optic for a primary carbine.

All I have heard is that the glass is excellent, they're not light, they are very durable and the ARMS mount is not changeable.   

I also know they're spendy so if I take a shot at one and miss, I'll be out a lot of horse money.  And then Stalin gets angry.  Very, very angry.  Look at me like I'm German angry.  Thanks.

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I've taken one out for a spin or two in non-flat range conditions. You have pointed out a couple of things that will become obvious sooner or later with continuous use. It's not lightweight and it's built like a tank. The glass is indeed excellent for a combat optic and has a forgiving eye-box that will become apparent at 1x when shooting from awkward & otherwise difficult positions. We often found 4x a limiting factor in normal engagements in that AO especially for PID but FWIW we were comparing it to the 1-6x 7.62 elcans on other weapons. I think there are certainly better options out there now for a working gun with the advent of the most excellent LPVO offerings from Nightforce, kahles, vortex, etc. unless you're wanting to put a clone thing together.

"Never interrupt the enemy when he is making a mistake." - NB

I've heard of Elcan, only enough to know that they're expensive and that the 7.62 version can apparently survive a SCAR Heavy. Then I saw an email from EuroOptic about them today; I'm interested to hear, too. And John, that mental image of an angry Stalin is the stuff of legend. Keep that woman happy.

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I had one for several months in Oruzgan / Helmand.. went back to my NF 2.5-10x24 on my M4.

But then again, that's just me... and I'm an asshole...

Here it is (the NF)... freshly zeroed, shipping box on the bunk the day it arrived in Trashcanistan (on my Wiggys woobie....)

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I tried to get my ACOG back in exchange for the Elcan and got told - point blank and with very little ceremony-- to get fucked.

So I ordered the NF and mount from our favorite Texan CNC-Guru.

Who knows now though... maybe they are lighter (my M4 felt like I have a damn PVS-4 on it), have better glass now than they did then...

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I had one for several months in Oruzgan / Helmand.. went back to my NF 2.5-10x24 on my M4.

But then again, that's just me... and I'm an asshole...

Here it is (the NF)... freshly zeroed, shipping box on the bunk the day it arrived in Trashcanistan (on my Wiggys woobie....)

100_0059

I tried to get my ACOG back in exchange for the Elcan and got told - point blank and with very little ceremony-- to get fucked.

So I ordered the NF and mount from our favorite Texan CNC-Guru.

Who knows now though... maybe they are lighter (my M4 felt like I have a damn PVS-4 on it), have better glass now than they did then...

DR - So much win in that photo. *sploosh*

Consig - limited time behind the Elcan at a demo shoot for work. My opinion was there were better options that were lighter and cheaper out there.

Also I remember something about there being a zeroing issue when adjusting power, but that’s not firsthand knowledge.

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I carried one for over a year (2010-2011; my last pump to Iraq) mounted on my M4A1. I loved it. When you compare weights of various optics, 23 oz sounds like a lot, but that includes the integral mount. I didn't notice the weight. What I did notice was unfailing performance, bombproof construction, and really excellent glass. Good light gathering at dusk, dawn, or at night.  Good field of view (better than an ACOG).  The lit reticle was a nice feature, but I rarely switched it on in actual use. Or even used the reticle. Just went straight to red dot instead for mostly urban environments. My Specter DR was the 1x4 version. Easy to hit with accurately and it maintained zero while getting dragged all around the country on foot, on aircraft, and on convoys. I really liked the 4x throw lever; intuitive, handy, fast, and it just plain worked. Nothing flimsy or prone to breakage/looseness on that scope.

Mine came with a little ancillary Docter Red Dot micro sight mounted high on top of the ELCAN.  Where it blocked the ELCAN's integral BUIS. The Docter was tits on a boar. I found it much more useful to just utilize the ELCAN's red dot (exactly like using an M68 Comp) instead. After years of using Aimpoints, my eye just naturally gravitated to that mode anyway. Which was fortunate, because that little Docter sight shit the bed the first time I range fired after arriving back in Iraq. Wouldn't hold a zero and lost ability to manipulate all windage adjustment. Naturally, I binned it. Didn't miss it a bit and I felt the internal red dot on the Specter was better positioned (lower height over bore) and faster to acquire anyway.

I think I changed batteries about twice across a year of daily use. Not because the batteries died, but just to be on the safe side. IIRC, the DL 1/3N N35 military button batteries were good for 600+ hours continuous on at full brightness. Several thousand hours at lower settings. With MK I Eyeballs, I usually used an upper middle  setting for bright daylight and a lower middle setting for night.  Easy & fast brightness adjustments while wearing gloves and (obviously) NVD compatible. Latest versions are supposed to have a lot more hours and use a more common retail civilian watch battery.  So, it's not like a modern Aimpoint where you just put it away for a year "always on". But more like the original M68 CompM2... turn it on when you are on the job and rolling; turn it off for storage.

All in all, the scope worked damn well.  I never had a failure of any component. It stayed rock solidly mounted & zeroed through both PMT (Pre-Mission Trainup) & actual Deployment. It was one of my very favorite things.  I fired a few thousand rounds out of that weapon/optic combo and the glass was always spot on. It's heavy for its size, but it's quality construction. Like running a BMW M3 on your rail.  It's an optic for war, but I'm sure it'd also make a great coyote/deer/hog optic.

The 1.5 x 6 version wasn't yet fielded when I went downrange. I think if I were focused mainly on open country hunting and longer range shots, that'd be the ticket (while remaining effective for CQB). But the 1 x 4 seemed plenty for more realistic 0 - 500 yard stuff.

I'll put it to you this way. The only reason I don't have one for my personal guns is the frightful price. If you get one, I think you'll like it. A lot.

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Astronomy,

I guess its possible that I had an earlier version than you did.

I do have to admit that I did like the reticle though.

Mine did not have the Docter on it.

I will also agree that it was built like a tank.

Kinda gray / bronze-ish finish.

If they solved the issues that I had with it - and most of the Team guys around me - then I'm glad and it may be worth me taking another look at it.

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It's on sale for a bit less than $1700.   Since the other choice is a 1-6  Swarovski, a Short Dot or Kahles , it's actually the least expensive.  It is a bronze color BTW.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

"I'm always down for good beer and the potential for violence." Fellow LFer. 

 A gobbing off wanker of a braying jackass.  That sounds worse that it is.

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Consig - I have two rifles and each one has a 1-4 DR on them.

I am in MA right near the Wrentham Outlets so we are not that far from each other. If you want to either come up and do some shooting or borrow one I can hook you up.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

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