External Frame, ALICE bag rucksacks for Tactical Apps

And here's two inside loops for a water bladder pouch.  I would recommend putting two more in the corners if you want a heavier panel for radios or what-not.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

And finished up on a Crossfire DG-16 frame.  You will notice since I switched frames in mid-mod, I did not add compression straps into the side seams, because I planned on using the frame for this.  If you use a 1606, be sure and add in side compression straps when putting frame tabs on back panel.   Notice how 1606 pattern will fit onto a DG-16 frame.  So any ruck with tabs, like the FILBE will fit.

Also I didn't mention a couple of details.  Like a carrying handle added to the top cross webbing.  And another compression strap for the top opening.  And I didn't take any pics of the lid build.  I will add these next time.    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

The Medium ALICE fab I wrote of earlier.  Added six rows of PALS across the bottom, enough to replace the issued pockets with (larger) MOLLE sustainment pouches.  The rubberized waterproofing had dry-rotted off the lower part of the issued flap so I fabbed a pouch with additional PALS for laser rangefinder and binos.  I have to figure how to rig a day or 3-day pack to the lid or pack itself.

I left the legacy webbing near the ruck's mouth to rig GI 2-quart canteens.

With space to put stuff into ready access on the outside there's now more room inside for jungle, summer, or temperate-season packing.

The ALICE bag and frame pretty much stay the same.  If I change anything it'll be a longer and higher pack rather than grow outward (to the rear) like a large ALICE, creating a moment arm to torque on the lower spine.

I'll probably put this pack on the Down East FILBE frame once I upgrade the FILBE.

Am I not seeing you describing what you did for the lid, am I? Looks nice. Like, somehow less bunched up and bullshitty than the normal lid, entirely aside from having the PALs. 

Anyway, sorta love how you've effectively made an MC ALICE pack. 

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I made the lid big enough to cover a stuffed main compartment without having to build a snow collar.  Nothing special except a little tapering toward the zipper (just a simple zip from JoAnn's fabrics, nothing special like a full waterproof or anything).  I could have sworn I had some 1" velcro to close it off like the factory flap, but no.

Hey looks good.  Damn near a MC ALICE.  I knew running wolf would hit that.  

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Yeah that kinda sucks but par for the course.  I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how light it is, even compared to a Medium ALICE.  

Which kinda brings up the point, of what your priorities are.  While the older ALICE rucks certainly work, and are even superior to some newer models, you have to determine whether cost is a determining factor for you, or getting some other features, such as lighter weight, newer materials, and more modern design.  If the ALICE is all that is available or what you can afford, then it will work, there's no question about that.  But if you have the wherewithal to get something better, then there are some interesting things in the works.  The basic principle of a light weight, external frame pack has proven to be a winner; when updated with new materials and design, you have an even better deal.

As I look back on the past twenty or so years, we went from 1,000d and molle and hardware everything, to 500d and minimum webbing and hardware.  A 11-12 lb ruck to a 5-6 lb one.  Either one will work, but we are getting a lot closer to an optimum system of LBE; if you can get it, why not use it.        

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz:

Instead of sewing the carrying handle on to the pack itself, is it possible to make one with tabs (like your mounting tabs) that insert in to the top slots of the frame?   I would think that would put less pressure on the pack cloth or is that not an issue? 

x/S

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