Originally Posted by Calhoun123:
Here are some random thoughts.
Doc says he would find the .40 a plus working primarily around vehicles. It seems to me that 90% of shootings I see reported (LEO or not) are around vehicles (carjackings, ends of LEO chases, road rage, crime related/drug dealing). There seems to me that there s a disconnect here.
I work for an agency that currently has a staffing of around 950 officers (Down from 1,150, but that's another topic).
I don't have the stats in front of me currently, but the majority of our shootings are not around cars. If we were a State Patrol agency, then of course I'm sure that stat would be much different.
The FBI has had to "download" their 40 duty rounds, twice, as I have been told. This was to assist with the ability of their weaker shooters with recoil management and qualification scores. I can't help but to think this would have a negative effect on the reliability of the gun with this ammunition.
As an agency, one must look to the weaker shooters, not the stronger shooters. One's goal should be to ensure the best chance of officer survival for all officers within the agency.
From this point of view, I think the 9mm makes sense as an agency issued round. The cost savings of training ammunition is also a huge factor in these lean economic times of ever tightening budgets.
Not only have I read the test results of the various rounds, but I attended a couple of ballistic workshops we hosted. "Seeing is believing" as they say. And I say with my own eyes the "difference" in performance with the same design of bullet in the different calibers.
I have nothing against the 40 cal round. If I were issued 40 cal training ammunition, I would own a few of the guns. But I do get tired of the uneducated who want to argue how inadequate the 9mm round is. And how superior the 40 cal round would be due to the huge increase in bullet diameter. I deal with this on occasion when talking people first interested in personal protection and CCW. My first counter to those lost souls is to ask if they are aware what the metric diameter is of the 40 cal round? That would be 10mm. The extra 1mm increase in diameter is so huge...
Over the years, I have seen people shot with every caliber of pistol that an individual could possibly steal. I have no delusions of a miraculous "One Shot Stop". I have seen it happen at times. If a handgun round does stop the aggressive actions when I need it to, well good! But I train and plan for things to not go so well. My faith in a one shot stop from a handgun is about as strong as my faith in humanity...
Fortunately those types don't visit this site much. And when they do, their time spent trolling is limited before they get spanked and sent home.
This topic has seemed to have drifted to a 9mm vs. 40 cal debate. Color me shocked.
I feel if you are an individual who carries a 40 cal pistol, using ammunition that is not downloaded like the FBI currently does, and you are satisfied with it, great! It is a very good round.
But for an agency of around 13,000 agents with a verity of body sizes, builds, and skill levels, then I feel the 9mm round makes more sense. Especially for those agents who are weaker shooters.