Federal's 224 Valkyrie

http://www.federalpremium.com/224-valkyrie/

Curious if anyone has had a look at this thing yet...?

As far as "tactical" trends go, I'm beyond fashionably late to every party...if I even show up at all.  I'm still rocking mostly quad-rails on AR's, Mil-dot reticles, and hammer-fired pistols as well as shoot a lot of 308 for actual distance and precision; I generally don't give a damn about the hot, new stuff.  However, a 90gr 5.56mm bullet out of a standard AR (or even a roided up receiver like the LWRC Six8) intrigues me.  The big-block SR25/AR10 patterns don't do it for me and the BH 77gr 5.56 has its limits.

An ammo giant at the front like Federal gives me some confidence.  I know J&P Ent. and Larue are in on it.  I'm curious to see what kind of support we see behind it during/after SHOT 2018.  

Thoughts?

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

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Yeah, I've seen a lot of talk about it on a 68 Forum.  I don't reload; no time for yet another hobby.  Nor do I have enough time to do as much shooting as I'd like to.  I have the 5.56 for plinking, a 6.8 for hunting, and 6.5 Grendel for killing paper.  That's on top of all the other rifles I have at home.  I need another caliber like I do a hole in the head.  Looks interesting, but no way I'm jumping in yet.

"These are the rules. Everybody fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job I'll kill you myself."

 

Joined: 04/01/2004     Location:  Twin Cities, MN

At least LT and Federal have gone about it the right way with two big names out front.  Remington and the .260 come to mind as how not to do it.

I'm with pointblank in the weapon luddite category now.  I leave it up to the youngins to continue the latest/greatest race.  Needs to be a bolt action to even gain my attention now but this round looks intriguing.

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Consigliere posted:

At least LT and Federal have gone about it the right way with two big names out front.  Remington and the .260 come to mind as how not to do it.

I'm with pointblank in the weapon luddite category now.  I leave it up to the youngins to continue the latest/greatest race.  Needs to be a bolt action to even gain my attention now but this round looks intriguing.

You ain't kidding with the 260; I remember thinking in 1999-2000ish when I was shooting 6.5x55 that I wished I could shoot the same bullets out of a 308. 

The questions I want answered are real MV numbers from barrels shorter than 22"...and if 1:7 is enough to spin these 90gr bullets if they only happen to be coming out 2550-2600 out of factory load(per a chrono readout from K&M)?  Also COAL issues with magazines going to be an issue?  I'm waiting for real shooters with valid opinions and not YouTube celebs to iron things out. 

 

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

I always wondered what a 22-250 with a fast twist would do with 77+ bullets.

Considering the parent, was the 250-3000..I've got an idea.

I guess this ain't that, though.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I have a fair bit of experience with the 6.8 based cartridges with a 6.8, 6x6.8,  and .22 thunderbolt (actually based off the 6 hagar case but same parent case as the 6.8 with the shoulder blown forward basically). My gut feeling is the posted numbers seem high on what I have seen. With a 24” poly groove custom barrel ( typically get faster FPS) on the 6x6.8 I get 2810 FPS with an 87gr if I really push my brass. The Valkyrie uses a shortened 6.8 case and claims better velocities in a shorter barrel, it doesn’t add up unless they are running hornady style loads where you may get one loading of brass it’s so over pressure. For something that you want more poop in a .224 cal I personally think the 22 nosler is the best option out there right now for factory offerings. If I had to do it all over again I would probably do something based off the Grendel, either the 6.5 or .243lbc so I could really launch the heavier bullets.  

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Originally Posted by DocGKR:

       
This is why LE in some areas would be better served with belt fed weapons and flame throwers...

       

Joined: 5.23.2009
Location: WA/ Canadian border

OK.  So I lied.  I was looking for some very minor parts on arfcom when....and I have no idea why....I started noticing some .224 Valkyrie barrels for sale.  About an hour later I have a LT .224 20" barrel and bolt, a rare LT Stealth stripped upper w/M4 ramps, a Geisselle Mk14 rail and 2 Geisselle super gas blocks coming in this week.  All are new for a grand total of.......$638.  I love my 20" Stealth 5.56 upper with a KAC URX 3.1 that is ridiculously accurate but I'll just swap it out on occasion to try this thing.

I bought ammo and I have a BCG for the LT 6.8 bolt.  Just need a charging handle and a rifle length gas tube which Jojos probably has come to think of it.  Should be fun.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

"I'm always down for good beer and the potential for violence." Fellow LFer. 

 A gobbing off wanker of a braying jackass.  That sounds worse that it is.

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

Conn,
I have a rifle length gas tube laying around if you want it. I bought it from a member here years ago as a mid length gas tube and tossed it in my armorers box. Fast forward to my current 6.8 mid length project and the gas tube has mysteriously grown to rifle length. Anyway, if you want it, I can ship it.

Well, I'm curious to hear what you think...when you ever get out and shoot it (still waiting to hear how that 6.5CM Coyote is doing).

I've come pretty close to spec'ing out a barrel to my liking but the lack of consistency with factory ammo that's heavier than the 75gr fmj is troubling.  

I know Galli on Sniper's Hide just posted a vid on him and another dude shooting JP guns to a mile with Hornady 88gr ELD's.  This is in the SW and it appears they likely had some atmospheric numbers in their favor.   But for every one success, there are 2 or 3 dudes with factory guns shooting factory ammo like shit.  

I think it's at a very critical point...SHOT 2019 might be interesting/telling on the future of the Valkyrie.

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

Shoot it?   Shoot it?  You actually think I'm going to use it?  C'mon dude, you're better than that.  I just buy shit, take pictures of it and throw it in a safe.  Actually, since it's just you and me here and I know you can keep a secret, I don't even like guns.  I just wanted to fit in here because my life sucks and I have no friends.  Shoot it he says.   Why that's just crazy talk.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

HRH (Ret.) The Most Reverend Consig

"I'm always down for good beer and the potential for violence." Fellow LFer. 

 A gobbing off wanker of a braying jackass.  That sounds worse that it is.

 

 Joined: 28 Nov 2004: 0037hrs        Location: The worst run state in the U.S

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