Yeah call them. It's a bit clunky but then it's really worth it.
Anyone happen to have some pictures of the completed conversion?
I have been too lazy to do things like call and order special stuff, but FOXDIE did, and today he finally came by with the ones I haven't paid him for, and we sewed up his ESSTAC Bushboar.
Not a lot to say about it, but I thought you may all be interested in seeing what a mod looks like, even done by someone as halfassedly as me.
I will generally sew anything you want, but you have to stop by, and watch me do it. If you can't help, I put you to work otherwise, such as loading all my mags as part of the FOPR event prep:
The one side had more... glue reside maybe, and caused some issues snagging during sewing, so isn't as neat as the first side.
Next, and hopefully before the FOPR class, I'm gonna mod my Hellcat and my MAV to take the other two in the first photo. I got the repair versions, but sadly they really, really require 1.5" webbing, and on entirely, 100% not MOLLE pitch, so there's no simple clipping it on, so cutting and sewing is in my future for those, too.
I remember what else I was gonna say: I was hoping they were at the pitch of MOLLE, and could simply remove SRs and attach the repair version of this thing at least halfassedly without sewing, but make no mistake, they are very much not.
You must sew on 1.5" webbing at the right pitch.
Later on today I also did my Hellcat, and while it fixes everything stupid about the center attachment there, it was a hell of a lot more work than the Bushboar, and I didn't sew it so well so no photos for you. But, everything is doable and the tubes may indeed be the best way to update an old, broken, or just stupid split rig of any sort.
Is everyone adding a release cord to their tubes, or are some of you just putting your thumb under the release lever? As shown above, I helped TJ's with his idea of a paracord+shrinktube pull which seems nice, but playing with my rig it doesn't seem especially necessary. Thoughts?
Here's a non sewing option.
Hmm, ok, maybe good field expedient, if you have good mail service. Good idea, if required, but added weight.
Yeah I have wondered why they went with a 1.5" format, instead of 1".
But it's still pretty easy and works well.
I use a para cord lanyard, wrapped in duct tape, in lieu of shrink wrap tube.
...but added weight...
I haven't put it on a scale, but I was shocked how much weight I cut off the Hellcat. I am sure it's like 2-3 oz but that feels like a lot; all that velcro, snap, webbing, reinforcing webbing, SR, etc. really adds up.
I feel, without quite direct comparing and only having it done for 18 hours, that the tubes are also easier to use as the webbing attachment system is so simple there's less dumb bulk to get in the way, bunch up, etc as on many other vest attachment systems.
Yeah man weight is a big factor these days. Years ago, we built this shit bomb-proof, to last forever, but we paid the penalty for over-building everything like that. Nowadays you gotta be smarter than that. I shit-can as much molle as possible, and go direct-sewn after I know where I want everything. You don't think it's that big a deal, but it is. 500d is my new friend.
I like the cord and tape pull tabs. Negligible weight but more positive grip when needed.
Anyone here modded one of the elastic SKD PIG PC cummerbunds to use the tubes system?
A bit of a necro-post, but FWIW I modded my AE carrier’s cummerbund (not elastic, Hardcore H3) with a set of FS tubes. Great kit. John is great to deal with and shipping was lightning fast.
I took the excess/extra from the cummerbund, folded it back and sewed it to keep it in place.
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For the hardware itself, I tried PALS webbing instead of the normal 1.5" that would fill the slots. It's secured with a short MALICE clip. It's floppy but firm once I'm actually wearing the vest and there's tension on the cummerbund.
And of course the female(?) end.
Say goodbye to velcro a 1,000 times a shift. Thanks FirstSpear!
Sorry for the chopped up post. Photobucket was not my friend today.
Also, I didn’t lose any PALS real esate where the loops holding the clips are threaded through the PALS webbing on the cummerbund. On my right side I can still weave a narrow HSGI speedclip to secure my extended pistol TACO. My left side holds a FS patrol radio pouch, again still enough room in the webbing slots to weave the pouch’s 6/9 straps.
Looks good. On a side note how long did it take to get the hardcore from AE? We are switching to these and two of us at my department are going on 12 weeks now since we ordered.
We received are first 2 vests at the very end of August 2018 after placing the order end of April. The long wait time was due to this being AE’s first production run, and other much larger departments placing orders before we had, at least that’s what the ‘rep told me from the distributor we deal with.
Fast forward to mid February of this year; we placed an order for the balance of my department and are expecting them mid April. We were told 8 weeks approximately.
Thanks for the info. I guess the other officer got his today. How are you guys liking them. We are coming from the Mayflower LPAAC which we all loved. But the command staff had to make it their decision and wanted to switch.
I know AE isn’t top of the line, but so far it’s been a decent carrier, certainly night and day, big step up than our last ( which was our first; shiny nylon Brinks/Garda type, no MOLLE) . But being a bylaw enforcement officer means my load out isn’t as demanding as a police officer ( no taser or firearm ). I tried out our plates for a few hours and it certainly seems to distribute the weight well.