FNG's attempt at a modernized AK

LightScout posted:

I may have missed it, but you got rid of the Ultimak.  What's that rear sight base you switched to?

The short red AK above there has an Attero Arms rear sight replacement mount for the Micro. My camping/hiking AK has the Ultimak, and my suppressable AK has the Midwest SS-E handguard with Micro upper section.

It confuses me sometimes. Probably more so to others since photobucket is now kaput as an image host and my old images are gone from this thread.

Any preference between the three?  My SLR-107CR (eventually to be SBR'd) currently has the Ultimak rail but I don't know if I like it.  Does get warm, although I can't say it's cause any problems with the Primary Arms micro that's on there.  I know I cannot see the irons through the scope in the current config, but your pic of the Attero mount and what I've read today may be a solution.  Not really looking at the MI setup as I intend to keep the Magpul handguard on there as it does what I need it to.

I'm also torn as to which scope to use; my Primary Arms T-1 type scope or the Primary Arms Fastfire type.  This is a recreational rifle, hence the PA optics.

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It’s not modern yet, not that it will ever be very modern, but this is our best AK thread. My M72 Carbine; matching numbers parts kit with AK Builder chrome lined barrel, built on a Childers receiver by Two Rivers Arms. I plan to put a LPVO on it in the future.

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The black mark on the carrier is just my poor editing to hide the serial number.

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I needed to take this pic for a friend, but what the hell, I'll put it out here because I'm planning on working on a few.

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Numbers 1 and 4 are not going to get work.  #1 is a Polish AKMS kit and it is a classic example of an underfolding AKM from the height of the Cold War.  #4 is a side-folding AK74 built from a Bulgarian kit.  I may add the side rail scope mount.  It does not currently have one.

Numbers 2 and 3 are my project guns.  I have my plans, but I'm open to critiques and suggestions.  #2 is a Romanian SAR-1 in 7.62x39 that I bought during the ban years.  It came with the side rail scope mount and it has an Aimpoint PRO on a Midwest Industries mount.  Obviously, Magpul Zhukhov buttstock and MOE grip.  I intend to add a Krebs selector.  I may add a muzzle brake or flash hider, but I haven't decided which, or which one.  If I can find a set of KVAR handguards in FDE, I'll get them, otherwise paint.  I plan to Cerakote the metal Magpul FDE to match.  Other than that, not much.  This one is fairly simple.

#3 is a different story.  My intent is to get rid of the FSB, brake, and gas block, replacing them with a combo FSB/Gas Block and a BCM Gunfighter brake on a shortened 14.5" barrel.  The buttstock is a Galil and it stays, but I'm going to shorten it by 1 - 1.5".  The current LOP is longer than I like.  Warsaw LOP works fine for me.  I have an Ultimak gas tube.  I have a Texas Weapons Systems dogleg hinged dust cover.  I'm not sure if I want to use just one of them or both.  I don't like the sight radius reduction by moving the front sight back, but I also don't like the fixed peep sight for the TWS.  If anyone has thoughts there, let me know. 

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I’m liking #2 mostly because I’ve got some rounds behind one with the Zhukov folder and really liked it. It just fit, me. A brake of some kind would round it out and make it look outstanding, I think  

I do like the under folding AKMS, too. I detect a trend, here...folding. 

This is of course with the caveat that I’m a total AK neophyte. All I really know is what looks good not really if it is good or crap. 

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If you don’t want to drill and rivet on #4 you could get a Master Mount, they are well regarded on the various AK forums.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.co...detail.html?Itemid=0

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LightScout posted:

Any preference between the three?  My SLR-107CR (eventually to be SBR'd) currently has the Ultimak rail but I don't know if I like it.  Does get warm, although I can't say it's cause any problems with the Primary Arms micro that's on there.  I know I cannot see the irons through the scope in the current config, but your pic of the Attero mount and what I've read today may be a solution.  Not really looking at the MI setup as I intend to keep the Magpul handguard on there as it does what I need it to.

I'm also torn as to which scope to use; my Primary Arms T-1 type scope or the Primary Arms Fastfire type.  This is a recreational rifle, hence the PA optics.

Sorry for the late response. So far I think my preferred setup is the Ultimak with Bobro mount on the T1. It's compatible with Magpul handguards, and if the optic goes down for whatever reason, I can take it off with the QD mount. With the Attero Arms mount or the Midwest mount, if the optic glass spiderwebs, you're kinda screwed.

Thanks for the reply.  I just pulled my Ultimak off and installed the Attero bravo mount.  Since mine is a recreational gun, the worry of the glass shattering is minimal.  I do like it and can't wait to shoot it this weekend.

"These are the rules. Everybody fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job I'll kill you myself."

 

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 Reviving this topic as I've ventured down the AK rabbit hole of"modernization"! Heres my quandary...I'm in the process of upgrading my rough looking but solid, straight BBL  Romy SAR1. That being said I'm looking to purchase with an as many  Romy OEM NOS/NIB parts as I can acquire.  I found a few NOS Polish ones from RTG Parts, a few East German ones also and Apex is out of stock on both New & used Romy ones.   Will any Combloc gas tube function in it or only a Romy one?  Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated! 

Any AKM pattern gas tube should work. It’s not a real wear part though, and should last the life of the gun. For spares, bolt parts are most likely what you’ll need: extractor and pin, firing pin. That and springs. If you’re just wanting to clean up the appearance, refinish it with appliance epoxy, any AKM furniture will fit.

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  Thanks for the info!! As nuts as this sounds, I acquired two Romy SAR1s a few months apart both lightly used as owners were attracted to cheap price of guns & ammo at the time. The guys I bough them from were not "super gun guys" just ones that plinked for fun for a day every so often. I'm lucky as both a straight and true, with only about 300 - 500rnd though each of them over a few years. Heck, I even scored the remaining ( Portuguese or South African???)  ammo that they had which was short the amounts quoted above give or take a few rounds! One had 6  30 and mags the other 3 30rnd plus a 5 and 10Rnd  Chicom mag. I put another 200 though each but after that put them away.  One SAR,  I'm leaving it box stock, the second one I'm updating with MagPul furniture, either Ultimak or Attero optic mount, ALG Trigger, Krebs safety selector, etc. The spare parts are for either one. I'll keep the takeoff parts from the modded one to restore it to original condition if need be. I figure instead of waiting until all AK parts are gone I'll get them now...I'm always late to the ball with this!!! 

Decided to dust off an old MAK90 project gun. This is getting a Magpul Zhukov sidefolder and one of their pistol grips. I’ve got an old Gen1 TWS top cover on here which is probably going to go in favor of the original top cover with an Attero mount, and I’m torn on the foreend - I’d like a rail for a Zenit IR laser, but I also want to keep it light... and “rail” + “AK” =/= light.

The PWS muzzle device I have will get replaced by a Warcomp, and the selector by a Krebs. Finally, next sale I’m going to pick up the ALG trigger!

I need another project like I need another arthritic joint, but dammit Jim! I’m a tinkerer, not a professional!

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

Have you seen the  RS regulate M-Lok rail? It is not cheap, at $225, but it weighs in at only 5.9 ounces.

https://rsregulate (DOT) com/product/gkr-10m/

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Let us know how that Warcomp mounting goes! I was pondering one for the hiking AK, but didn't want to add the extra OAL to the gun. Plus didn't want to roll the dice on threading concentricity and all that.

I redid my 14.5" AK a little with a Zhukov forend last month. Just haven't gotten pictures yet since I keep getting home after dark. Want to make sure and take a decent pic outside rather than the standard beige carpet shot.

PlasticMag posted:

I had not, but I really like that... buuuut it doesn't appear to be compatible with a MAK 90? I'll have to look into it further.

I asked and it will work on a Type 3, so you should be good. It mounts via a block that locks into the front of the receiver and with the factory handguard retainer. It might take a little fitting to the receiver, like anything not intended for the MAK's 1.5mm receiver. 

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"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms." - R. Heinlen

 

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The Rat posted:

Let us know how that Warcomp mounting goes! I was pondering one for the hiking AK, but didn't want to add the extra OAL to the gun. Plus didn't want to roll the dice on threading concentricity and all that.

That's the million dollar question. Concentricity SEEMS good, but I won't know until I get my hands on a Warcomp and test it out. This MAK 90 came from the factory without ever getting threads cut or turned off, so a previous owner had it threaded for 14mm-. The threading appears crude, but it works, and the PWS device which it came with looks straight to the Mk1 Mod0 Eyeball.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

Also, at one point I had this - Russian Saiga SGL31-94. Like a moron I sold it after Obama banned the import of 5.45mm... This an my all-matching Tula AKS74U kit with unicorn 100% correct US-made AK barrel haunt me. If I could go back in time and save both, I would... I still have the chest rig at least.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

PlasticMag posted:

Looks great! Those videos made a huge difference in swaying my opinion (and 6oz is hard to beat!). Do you know when they'll be available again?

Happy to help. I’m hoping to get some more range time with mine soon. It might make it to class in March as well.  

 

Scot was waiting on the anodizer last we spoke.  Should be soon. 

Educated donkey..

CI’m putting together one last AK, then I’m done (I swear, maybe). It is a Bulgarian Type 3 kit, with a Tortort receiver, and an OG Bulgy T3 barrel. It’s gonna be SBR’d at 12.5 inches, using a Russian AK104/105 gas block. Just waiting for the ATF now. 

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There is a Galil trigger guard and mag catch in this picture, but I’m not sure if I’ll use it or the original one.

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Joined:  1/30/05           Location: Graham, Wa

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Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

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Linz posted:
The Rat posted:

All right, finally got out and took some pics of the 14.5" AK redone.

Now with less Midwest Industries forend and more Zhukov.



And without the can.


Nice...but why did you use sea foam as a backdrop? 

As the Brits on my first contract said... Mate, are you taking the piss?

Well, this got expensive fast... I decided to keep the TWS top cover and mount a Holosun 503GU to it (I really do like that optic for fun gun use). I also went on a spree on Brownell's and bought a Zhukov AK handguard, MOE-K2, Zhukov stock, Krebs safety, and finally the Surefire Warcomp. Every thing but the stock will be here by Friday, apparently the stock is backordered.

My wallet is weeping. Down the line I'm looking at the RS Regulate handguard and getting a spare US-made MAK90 barrel to install the J-Mac gasblock like Dorsai has above with the barrel trimmed to the minimum length to get me to 16" with the Warcomp... but that's AFTER taxes and a KAC gun.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful."

The Rat posted:
Linz posted:
The Rat posted:

All right, finally got out and took some pics of the 14.5" AK redone.

Now with less Midwest Industries forend and more Zhukov.



And without the can.


Nice...but why did you use sea foam as a backdrop? 

As the Brits on my first contract said... Mate, are you taking the piss?

Who, me?

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