Looks like a serious contender...

I'm one of those guys that is a "late adapter".  I let others test drive the new stuff and work out the kinks....but you can bet I'm going to be finger f-cking this at my LGS.

 


 

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I'll check it out at SHOT and see how it feels. 

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Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Considering Sig qc of the last decade i would wait 5-8 years before assuming they've unfucked it.

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Meh, maybe awesome, maybe not. After the 320 debacle and some first hand knowledge of how they treated colleagues, this former Sig guy is in the "nope" crowd.

In the niche it is in, I doubt it is much better (if at all) then the existing Glock  and S&W offerings. I'm very confident in my Shield and too heavily invested in holsters and mags for it to consider adding this. If one does not already have a pistol in this category (and it isn't a steamer) it will probably fill the bill. I'll let others beta test for Sig.

Location: North Carolina

“G43 and shield killer...”  man oh man so many dumb jokes come to mind based on lack of drop safety.    

I cant get excited about anything new from sig until some time has passed since the drop safe debacle.   Oh and that timer doesn’t start til dog finishes the backlog of pistols awaiting “upgrade”.   

I generally like sig, but I’ll let someone else beta test the new releases.  

I have no problem carrying a P226 or P229 (and have done so), but I don't generally carry my legions. Anything outside the legion line that's not at least a decade old? Probably not...

Joined: 30 May 2003                  Location: SE PA

hile posted:

I have no problem carrying a P226 or P229 (and have done so), but I don't generally carry my legions. Anything outside the legion line that's not at least a decade old? Probably not...

My agency issues classic P-series Sig pistols.  At my last duty station, I had about 80 officers in the field, and as the main armorer, I was kept pretty busy with mostly just routine maintenance.

A lot of Sigs of all different ages came across my bench.  I would mostly agree with the above statement.  Except I'm pretty impressed with the newer classic P-series, anything in the last 3 years.  I would say they've worked out the bugs of their old QC, and I've seen no issues yet.  Like all classic P-series, they need some break-in time for the trigger to feel smooth, but I've yet to see one that didn't run.  (I did send a P229 .40 back: the effort to function the slide release was ridiculous.  I looked carefully at the machining on the slide, hoping to find a burr, but there was nothing revealed under a magnifying glass.  They took it back without issue.)  That's just my sampling.

K.O.A.M. posted:

I look forward to messing with one. My buddy's the LE Sig rep for my state, so he'll have one.  That being said, Sig has dropped some turds lately.

Stealing and modifying a line from Pat. I’d take one if it came with a free blow job. Otherwise I’d go G26 or stick  it out with my LC9. Love that little gun especially with +1 mag extensions and a Hogue beaver tail grip sleeve. 

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Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

Having 3 Shields (2x9mm & a .45) and two G43s, plus holsters and mag pouches, sight tools, etc., don't see a move to SIG anytime soon, design and QC issues , not withstanding. 

I've owned three SIGs.  A real one, SIG, not SIG Sauer, Swiss made P210/6 9mm, a piece of art in metal.  An early P220, W. German, and a 228. Sold them all for a profit. Not in the market for any more this century. YMMV 

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B0308 posted:

Having 3 Shields (2x9mm & a .45) and two G43s, plus holsters and mag pouches, sight tools, etc., don't see a move to SIG anytime soon, design and QC issues , not withstanding. 

I've owned three SIGs.  A real one, SIG, not SIG Sauer, Swiss made P210/6 9mm, a piece of art in metal.  An early P220, W. German, and a 228. Sold them all for a profit. Not in the market for any more this century. YMMV 

I’d have kept the P210/6, just because it’s a piece of art in metal. Being the guy who measures machined pieces of art and occasionally pieces of crap, art in metal fascinates me, like gun porn. 

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Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

Hmm, I've heard RUMINT about SIG stopping shipment of these while they work out a "bug"  has any one  else heard this from a credible source?

 

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Held one at the sig academy a couple of weeks ago.  I have both a Shield and G43, it feels great in the hand, has a nice trigger, and the 12rnd capacity with extension is pretty amazing.  Solid contender IF it works, and I've heard the same rumors of bugs.  I didn't shoot it, and would wait for some serious testing until I picked one up.  The G43 will have to do for now.

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cd228 posted:

Hmm, I've heard RUMINT about SIG stopping shipment of these while they work out a "bug"  has any one  else heard this from a credible source?

 

Based on SIG's  track record for the past several years, the shock to me would be if there WASN'T a bug or issue with it. 

Location: North Carolina

I was listening to LAVs FB live the other day when this kinda came up. Something to the effect "It is as if Sig gets it to 80% and sends it out to customers to beta test and then fix what we find wrong. " 

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I was Picking up my 19x and an officer from fair fax county came in with a sig p365 and sig ammo came in and said it did not run with the sig hollow point ammo.  Said failure to feed every 2-3 rounds.  Granted he only fired 36 rounds but it’s odd that it won’t run sig brand ammo.  He wanted to trade it in for a G43 or Shield since it will be an off duty gun.  He walked out with 2 50 round boxes of Federal 9MS instead after he was told he could get 50% of the value as trade.  

 "This gun doesn't work, I'd like to trade it in. What do you mean you'll only give me 50% of it's value??  This is my off duty gun, to protect my life, oh well give me different ammo."

As Pat always said, the only thing cheaper than a cop....is two cops. 😅

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steveg2 posted:
Spacetaco posted:

I was Picking up my 19x...

So tell us about your G19x.

 

One range session of 100 rounds no issues but it’s just 100 rounds to function Test 124 grain gold dots. Reliable as a Glock, recoil feels less than my 17 but it could be new Glock smell...thinking of going full on carrying a Glock like I did on The last deployment.  My gen4 19 is running well just need a new JM Custom kydex Holster like the P2000 i have.  

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I was listening to LAVs FB live the other day when this kinda came up. Something to the effect "It is as if Sig gets it to 80% and sends it out to customers to beta test and then fix what we find wrong. " 

I do not see where that would be any different than what S&W did with the M&P. YMMV

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Guys, you may want to look at the title of this thread.  "G43 and Shield killer?"  It is a discussion about the Sig P365 and whether it is "better" than the Shield and/or the Glock 43.  There is a lot of discussion about the 19x in this thread https://www.lightfighter.net/to...with-threaded-barrel

Try continuing your discussion there or I'll have to close this thread.

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I ended up selling my 43 and am going back to a G26 when I can find a Blue Label in stock. 

I didn’t shoot the 43 as accurately as my 26 and concealing it wasn’t that much easier for me to justify the lesser accuracy and capacity. 

I think the 43 is still a great option for some just not for me.

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I basically use the G43 as a pocket gun, walking the dog, Rule 1 gun.  Even though the 9mm Shields are basically the same size as a G43's they to me feel more substantial. I've got two G43s, two Shield 9s,and as of today two Shield .45s (full disclosure, Two G26's).  

Think I'll shake out the difference between the Shields and decide if I like AIWB carry for the Shield .45s or G26/19s better in JM kydex rigs.  The fact of having a thumb safety vs. not and shooting myself  in the junk when reholstering makes the Shields a probably winner  

I sold my W. German Sig 220 a year ago, don't see me buying one in the foreseeable future.  YMMV

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arcticlightfighter posted:

I ended up selling my 43 and am going back to a G26 when I can find a Blue Label in stock. 

I didn’t shoot the 43 as accurately as my 26 and concealing it wasn’t that much easier for me to justify the lesser accuracy and capacity. 

I think the 43 is still a great option for some just not for me.

This to a degree reflects my findings. I can’t shoot a 43 or a Shield for crap. I do ok with a 26 but shoot the snot out of my original DAO LC9. I shoot it out to 15 yards as good as my comped G19.  I would never trade my Ruger for the 43 or Shield and I have no intentions of being a beta tester for Sig with the P365. Id take one for free only if it came with a free blowjob. 

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Joined: 9/30/09
Location: Northern Nevada (Reno/Sparks)

So, reading through here again at this point, one has held one, one has seen one with problems, some have heard rumors of problems on the internt. But noone has actually fired one and noone seems interested in buying one because of Sig QC and design issues, at least not without a blow job.  And this is maybe the heart of their target demographic.  I'd say that is not a good start for a new product, and should be of great concern to the company if this opinion carries out across a broader group.

We are not their target demographic.  Most of the gun owning public doesn’t spend their time on forums like these researching and studying and seeking opinions of SMEs. I bet Sig will still sell a ton of P365’s because it’s the new hotness and because (on paper) it checks off a lot of boxes for a defensive/off duty handgun.

I also bet there will be major issues discovered by early adopters within the first year.  My coworker just bough 2 of them so I guess I’ll have a front row seat if he ever gets around to shooting them much. 

I got to hold and dry fire one a couple of weeks ago. I was amazed at how it felt in my hand. I use large back straps on an M&P9 for reference, but I could get my pinky finger on the gun, even with the flush magazine inserted. Slightly more so than I can with a Shield using the 7rd mag. With a G43 or a G26 my pinky dangles.

I would absolutely love this gun for deep concealment, If I trusted it. But I’ve been burned by Sig in the past. 

If in a year from now they are out and about without issues (other than the current one which caused Sig to pull all dealer stock) then I’d buy a couple of them.

Time will tell...

 

 

 

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I shot one, held it, had two FTEs in 40 rounds.  It was nice but I’ll keep my Beretta Nano.  In fact, after that range session I bought the last two Beretta nano mags at the gun counter.  Said they have been there for over a year.  

I want the G43 and wanted to like the Sig, but I have a workable gun right now that well works. 

Big cover story in the American Rifleman that just came out. First gun sent for review failed to feed on most rounds, regardless of mag. Returned to Sig for a replacement,  which ran fine. Sig claimed a pre-production model got sent by mistake the first time. 

Riiiightt... 

With the advent of computers, and the necessity of piles of paperwork to ship a firearms,  no one noted that they were shipping a failed brick, a preproduction one at that? They sent a gun to the NRA to be featured in their magazine without test firing it first? It is easier to understand the skepticism here after that.

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