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Buddy of mine has a 365 firing pin broke yesterday at around 600rds. Haven't heard that problem before.

Don't worry, Sig will fix that on the Gen2 guns. Unfortunately nothing will be backwards compatible. 

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

Someone brought a 365 to a class I was in, and I just handled it and dry fired it after it was cleared properly. I did not see I'm shoo tit (I almost corrected that, but like it the way it is) nor did I. I have to say the trigger was surprisingly light. I'm not sure how big of a fan I am of very short, very light triggers on a super-compact gun. The sort of gun one would carry in a pocket holster.  I might be totally against the grain in that I think heavier triggers are better on self defense guns, and don't really have an issue with a 6 lb trigger.  

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Not a fan of the 320 trigger....my performance with it is extreme left POI compared to the GLOCK

 

Happy with my G4 G26 as compared to

my G43...little heavier but more rounds and shoot it much more accurately then the G43

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I put 500 rounds through my P365 this weekend. Several different types of ammo including some GD +P (all from Doc's recommended duty round list).

No issues at all with the exception of one failure to lock back on empty- and I'm pretty certain that was an operator error.

Two different shooters, including one female first-time shooter. The P365 fit very comfortably in both large and small hands. I mostly used Sig's 10 round magazine with the extended bottom since it seemed to provide a better grip. The felt recoil is very manageable and the trigger is extremely smooth.

On our second target the new shooter was kicking my ass shooting the middle out of the target. But they had a genetic advantage. Plus the sun was in my eyes.

Point being, it is very easy to shoot, comfortable and manageable.

I stripped and cleaned after the session. No unusual wear or buildup. None of the issues being reported on the intardnet were experienced.

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Joined: 9/5/2011 Location: The Former Empire State, now The State of Anarchy

OK so I was a gun store today and they had P365 display from Sig.

The display consisted of:

- A "pistol" tethered to the display. It looked like a real gun but the slide and trigger would not move. The magazine release was functional.

- Three magazines tethered to display - A (10) round flush mount, a (10) round extended, and a (12) round magazine. It felt good in the hand with all magazines. The stippling on the grip felt great. B

With the (10) round flush mount it had that pinkie finger is on but not really on feeling like my G43 has.

The (10) round extended felt really good. I believe the P365 with this magazine has a shorter grip than the G43 with their extension on it. I did not do a physical comparison and did not find anything using Google. I would probably conceal carry it with this magazine.

The (12) round magazine makes it feel like the Shield with their extra capacity magazine.

I have not shot one so all this is academic as they say but just holding it I would say it is more comfortable than my G43 and the Shield. I would love to shoot one.

Design-wise I think Sig did their homework. That being said, it is a Sig. This would not be the first gun Sig released to oohs and aahs only to have them turn into WTF's due to problems and lack of support.They released guns with feed and firing pin issues.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

For those who mentioned the gun is easy to shoot, does that include multiple rapid shots?  

I had a chance to shoot multiple co-workers’ P365’s. One thing I noticed is the grip angle is pretty close to vertical. I couldn’t really lock my shooting hand wrist as much as with other guns (including my G43) that have more grip angle. As a result I had a hard time shooting more than 3 shots at a time because my support hand  kept slipping off the gun, which is something that doesn’t happen with my slick sided G43. 

One thing that helped my support hand grip with the P365 was rubber talon grips.  My hand still slips during recoil, but not nearly as much.

 

 

Shooters Outpost?  If you want to get hands on, jump on 101 and visit the Sig Academy Store in Epping...worth the ride. 

My buddy picked up the last batch delivered to SO and we got it to the range Monday.  I have a g43 and a Shield, I was sold on the size and design but skeptical on the reliability based on initial reports. This gun shoots! Put 200 115gr Fiocchi, some White Box, Blazer, and 124gr +P Gold Dots that will be carried in it.   Not a single failure to feed or extract, 2 instances of failure to lock back but we had 3 shooters and it happens to the same guy both times...we chalked it up to shooter error. Used all magazines, including the 12 rounders and all fed well.  The night sights are sharp and bright, the grip is a great size, and recoil wasn't overly snappy.   I shot it holding loosely with 2 fingers, did not induce any malfunctions. The trigger is smooth and light, with a positive reset...so smooth, I might be interested in a safety version when it's released. 

It's on my list, hard to beat the capacity. I went from a G26 to a 43, now having gotten used to this makes my 26 feel like a brick.  It's a perfect pocket or backup gun.  I was very pleasantly surprised. We're going to shoot the shit out of it and maintain a round count and I'll update if we develop any issues .

De inimico non loquaris sed cogites.

Well....range day 2 and the gun is deadlined with what sounds like a broken firing pin.  I wasn't there, but the first round failed to fire, as with all subsequent rounds. No dimple on primer.  Haven't heard all the details, but they do have an armorer with them.  Gun is brand new, 200 rounds through it, and has probably seen a few hundred dry firing cycles in the last week.  Not confidence inspiring that's for sure, but we live within an hour of the Sig Academy and factory so we'll hand deliver the gun and get a full report of the failure and repair to post here. 

De inimico non loquaris sed cogites.

Well Crap...

I really want to get one of these to use an a new BUG after holding and dry firing one. 

But breaking firing pins doesn’t leave me feeling confident in doing so at this point.

 

 

 

Joined: 4-23-04                                          Location: SW Ohio

The manual advised against further disassembly than a basic field strip, rather than do anything to possibly affect the warranty my friend is contacting Sig today for return/repair.  I examined the gun yesterday, the firing pin is definitely broken and missing. The trigger has a noticeably different feel.  They didn't save any brass but apparently there is a telltale swipe on the primer from the firing pin dragging with these pistols.   There are numerous reports online of broken firing pins,  this wasn't a unique or isolated issue. There are concerns that dry firing could contribute to the problem, but that should absolutely not cause an issue over such a short time period. 

Very interested to see and report how Sig addresses this.  To have a new gun, marketed as a reliable EDC completely and unknowingly deadlined after a week of ownership and a few hundred rounds is unfuckingacceptable.  The realization that he was carrying a paperweight for a week was quite sobering and infuriating for him. This is the exact reason I and most on here didn't run out and buy one.  I had high hopes, this felt and shot better than I expected, but this is the Sig downside. He's seriously considering telling Sig to keep it and picking up a G43 instead, which was my recommendation and his initial choice. 

De inimico non loquaris sed cogites.

I would definitely shit can the platform. Shield or G43 for that role if I were your bud. 

Broken record time, but NO Sigs for me until the corporate culture that has resulted in this is gone. It will be a very long time, if ever, that I will be able to trust a product of theirs.

Location: North Carolina

Anyone hear about the woman who was still a virgin after three weddings?

First time she married for money, and when the old geezer saw her get undressed, he keeled over and died.

Second time she married for love, and her new groom was so smitten that while crossing the street to the hotel he couldn't look at anything but her, stepped in front of a truck and was killed.

Third time she married a Navy Detailer  SIG Engineer and he just sat on the bed telling her how great it was gonna be.

Its shit like this with guns not working even from Sig that had me carrying a Makarov for 4 years in college.  It might not be flashy, or high capacity, or do much of anything but shoot shitty russian ball accurately with boring reliability, but damn it It was the most reliable gun I could get for $250 bucks

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I won't be buying any more new Sigs for a long time.  I kinda want a P220 Legion in 10mm; I'll have to check gunbroker and see if I can come across a used one. And i may pick up a 357 SIG caliber conversion for my P226, but that's it. I won't get the P220 new for sure. I just don't trust any Sigs not the classic P-series, and I don't want to give the company much more money after the P320 fiasco.

Joined: 30 May 2003                  Location: SE PA

Back Spin posted:
[SNIP} One thing I noticed is the grip angle is pretty close to vertical. I couldn’t really lock my shooting hand wrist as much as with other guns (including my G43) that have more grip angle. As a result I had a hard time shooting more than 3 shots at a time because my support hand  kept slipping off the gun, which is something that doesn’t happen with my slick sided G43. 

One thing that helped my support hand grip with the P365 was rubber talon grips.  My hand still slips during recoil, but not nearly as much.

 

 

While I didn't have the same experience, this is a perceptive and useful observation.

When compared to the 43, the back of the P365 grip is rounded, but less pronounced (not an apt comparison, but the grip is very similar to my P229). The 43 also has an extended "beavertail" when compared to the P365. Overall, those factors change the grip dynamics.

The smaller size did cause me to make some ergonomic adjustments. However, with repeated practice I didn't have any issues with the grip on repeated shots.

I'm at ~625 rounds and no issues.

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So I got to qualify yet another co-worker who bought this gun. Of course I had to shoot it as well. 

This time I made sure to have my support hand grip/wrist angle match the P365’s more vertical grip angle. That one change in technique allowed to rapidly fire 10 rounds without my hand slipping off.  Earlier I was trying to force a more pronated support hand wrist angle that I use on other guns, which obviously didn’t work. 

 

Any updates to the P365? Does anyone have a recent manufactured pistol that can comment?

The internet is a buzz with changes made to the design of the striker to fix breakage. And supposedly changes were made to prevent the spring becoming dis-attached which was causing a dead trigger.

Apparently the new guns are shipped in a new and smaller box from the factory.

Anyone able to give updates on recent manufactured guns?

 

 

 

Joined: 4-23-04                                          Location: SW Ohio

Sig's non classic P-series pistols give me pause, as does the whole way the P320 was handled and the fact that I feel as though they got the p365 to 80% then used customers as beta of sorts. That said, I handled a new one last week, and it looks promising. 12 rounds in that package may even kill my beloved PPS M2.

Joined: 30 May 2003                  Location: SE PA

I've said it before and will say it again (as a former Sig user, exclusively): It will be a VERY long time before I trust that company or its products. They knowingly put defective pistols in the holsters of cops who took them in to harms way. The only way I'm going to pick up a 360 is if I need a training gun for future (hopeful)instructor gigs. Not interested in carrying one. Even if they have fixed them to a level of exemplary reliability, the corporation has shown they are more than willing to cut corners, as well as lying about the issues with their products.

Location: North Carolina

I am at 1,000+ rounds with no issues. I recently broke down, cleaned and examined the parts. No unusual wear or issues. Also nothing unusual with the primer strikes. 

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Yeah... think I'm going to stick with my drastic plastic. 

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I’ve had great luck with the P365 so far. I have shot in excess of 3,000 rounds through a pair of them. I picked up a second slide a couple months back and had it milled for a Shield RMS-C red dot sight. Have put 500 rounds through it without issue, for a total of 1,500 on this particular one. I installed SIG suppressor height sights for those curious. 

 

WoodlandSOU posted:

I’ve had great luck with the P365 so far. I have shot in excess of 3,000 rounds through a pair of them. I picked up a second slide a couple months back and had it milled for a Shield RMS-C red dot sight. Have put 500 rounds through it without issue, for a total of 1,500 on this particular one. I installed SIG suppressor height sights for those curious. 

 

You are killing me, as I have pretty much sworn off SIG non-classic P series after my 320 experience, and was very excited by the Shield RMS but have been put off by reports of issues holding zero and durability!

Of course now my PPS is at Walther due to the recall (though I have to say Walther did it far better than SIG), and I'm just hoping that the PPS fix doesn't affect the trigger feel...

How is the Shield doing?

Shield RMS-C has been holding up well. No zero shift and it regularly gets banged around in a Pelican box during frequent air travel. 

It does have several very fine scratches on the lens from careless dry cleaning with a q-tip. I should probably use actual lens cleaner. I’ve had the same issue with RMR’s. 

So far, I could not be happier with the set up. It conceals very well, handles recoil very well and is incredibly accurate for what it is. The RMS-C is the red dot to get for these micro platforms. I do wish the dot was manually adjustable, but the auto adjust feature works well in my experience. 

We have had two Shields and ended up getting rid of both.  The first was ruined by a highly recommended gunsmith.   When we first got it and took it to the range, the first three shots at 25 yards were touching.  When we got it back the accuracy was nonexistent.  The second one ran fine, but the trigger was awful.  We HAD (past tense) three G43's.  One of them started giving brass to face somewhere in the 700-800 round range.  Since there are no Apex parts for the G43, I just replaced the three parts necessary for extraction, and it was fine again.  None of the three were outstanding in accuracy, so the last one we bought I put in a Victory First barrel and it improved considerably.

 

My 5'1" wife has liked the idea of the P365 since it first came out, but I advised her to wait, since my experience with most new pistols in the last decade and a half has not been positive (gen.1 M&P 9's, G42's, G43's, and late Gen 3 Glocks, and Gen. 4 Glocks).  I finally bought her one that was born in July and I have to tell you, it is the best mini-9mm either of us has ever fired.  It has 500+ rounds through it without any issues, it stays up with my full size pistols at 25 yards, and is MORE accurate at all distances than the G43 with the Victory First barrel!  It comes with Tritium night sights with a green circle around the tritium, making it very easy to pick up in anything but low light condition (very similar to an Amerglo Cap).  It is actually a tad smaller than G43, but has 10 or 12 round magazines.  I cannot prove it, since I do not have any equipment to measure it, but I swear it recoils less than the G43.  One thing is for sure, and that is the excellent ergonomics!  Take your index finger and point at something -- that's your natural index for your wrist to be.  Put the P365 in your hand and that's exactly what you get.  Put the G43 in your hand and do that and it points high.  I edc's Glocks and put tons of rounds down range since about 2011, so I am very familiar with the platform.  Of all our Glocks we had, we're down to a gen. 3 G17 with a serial number in the range that makes it a very reliable and accurate pistol.  It stays with every gen. 5 17's and 19's, so it's going nowhere.  At this time we intend to keep the G43 with the Victory First barrel, if for no other reason than to use as a loaner.  It does NOTHING BETTER than the P365.  The 43's have had a spotty track record with us, and I have NEVER been a Sig fanboy!  IN fact, the P365 I just bought for myself, after shooting my wife's is only the second Sig I've ever owned, and I didn't keep the first very long!

 

As for LAV's comments about Sig, you could say the exact same thing for just about any new pistol out there, including Glock!  I've seen enough issues with them, including gen. 5's in the last seven years, to think his comments are, are best, spurious.  Remember, LAV does get paid by Glock!  I have no dog in this fight, I've seen too many pistols from many manufacturers fail over the years, but he does have a bone in this fight, and my experiences and that of my best friend, have not exactly been stellar with new Glocks either.  

Trigger job, aftermarket night sights, stippling and a "reliability package".  The reliability package and stippling were done incorrectly, with the reliability package destroying accuracy.  The reliability package was just polishing of the feed ramp and chamber.  He got a bit carried away with polishing the chamber, as it was no longer round, but more oval in shape.  No round ever seated the same after that work, so groups were more like patterns.  This was my wife's pistol. and I both wrote and discussed with him the need to make the grip very slightly more aggressive than stock, but nothing drastic.  The stippling he did resembled a rasp when we got it back!  My nephew, a very accomplished shooter and gunsmith in his own right, came to visit us.  He carries a Shield for edc, so we offered the use of this pistol while he was here (this was shortly after it had been returned and it had not been shot yet, so we did not know of the accuracy issue).  He's a big, burly guy with tough hands, and he thought the stippling was horrible.  We finally took some sand paper to it to get it almost tolerable.  We had had a bunch of work done previously by this gunsmith, whom shall remain unnamed, but between this and his mercurial temper, I have not sent any more work his way, and don't ever intend to again.

I think it’s odd, but I have never seen a single copy of these pistols since they first came out. Of the agencies that use my range, I have not seen one there. I’m a little sig-curious about them, and I generally dislike sigs (used to carry one issued to me, and it was a shit sanwich - a soggy one at that). But you can’t deny the efficiency of the package, if it works broadly. My EDC for running to the store is a snub revolver still. This would double my round count, where a G43 only adds one. 

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CWM11B posted:

I've said it before and will say it again (as a former Sig user, exclusively): It will be a VERY long time before I trust that company or its products. They knowingly put defective pistols in the holsters of cops who took them in to harms way. The only way I'm going to pick up a 360 is if I need a training gun for future (hopeful)instructor gigs. Not interested in carrying one. Even if they have fixed them to a level of exemplary reliability, the corporation has shown they are more than willing to cut corners, as well as lying about the issues with their products.

How were they defective? They passed every test every other pistol was subjected to.. If it wasn't policy I wouldn't have sent mine in, great guns. 

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They discharged when dropped, and it was known to them, regardless of the fact the specific drop angle was not in the test. I've seen it replicated with a primed casing. A cop in the northeast was shot in the leg when his holstered pistol was dropped. I am of the opinion that any firearm that discharges without a deliberate press of the trigger is defective. For that, and a variety of other reasons, I choose not to carry new Sig products. If your happy with yours, rock on

Location: North Carolina

CWM11B posted:

They discharged when dropped, and it was known to them, regardless of the fact the specific drop angle was not in the test. I've seen it replicated with a primed casing. A cop in the northeast was shot in the leg when his holstered pistol was dropped. I am of the opinion that any firearm that discharges without a deliberate press of the trigger is defective. For that, and a variety of other reasons, I choose not to carry new Sig products. If your happy with yours, rock on

I just think the issue was overblown, didn't it turn out to be work comp fraud regarding the NE cop? Sounded more like a ND than the drop issue

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I'm not sure if SigSauer has settled or contested the lawsuit filed by the Stamford (CT) SWAT officer who was shot by his own pistol when it fell from his cruiser to the ground.  I have never read or heard that it was a fraudulent workman's comp claim. 

I wrote the proposal for our transition from revolver to semiautomatic pistol back in the day.  I recommended the SigSauer P226.  I later wrote the proposal for the transition from 9mm to .40 and again recommended we stay with the SigSauer 226.  Years later I purchased a P320 with the intention of carrying it as an off-duty and eventual retirement pistol.  I was clearly a SIG fanboy.

That said, I think a pistol with numerous documented unintentional discharges when dropped at whatever angle is an unsafe pistol.  It might have been OK or even great decades ago, but that was then and this is now.

Having been a cop and a human being, I understand mistakes are made, things go wrong, and stuff happens.  Admitting fault and taking responsibility are more important than initial or even eventual perfection.  Unfortunately, SigSauer response was a "voluntary upgrade".   (I'm equally unimpressed with the "service notice" FN America sent out for the FNS pistols my former department issues, but that's another thread.)

The officer in CT was most certainly not a WC issue. A colleague called and spoke with their range staff and got the story. I know of another as well which did not involve injury. I've also verified to my satisfaction issues with the M17 as well. I, too was once a Sig fan and still have six classic P series in my safe. Sig's response to this was to lie and deny. Had it been "We have a problem and here is the recall/repair parts" I would have applauded them and said "The old Sig I knew and loved is back". They didn't do that. I was heavily involved in weapons procurement in the agency I retired from, and remain so with the one I volunteer for now. When we carried Sigs, we had exemplary service and regular visits by our rep. Then the current CEO came on board. Our rep was fired, and we never saw another until they tried to pimp the 250 on us. I was personally lied to by representatives of the new regime on more than one occasion.  I hope they get unfucked  and return to the quality they were known for. I have no dog in the fight, and didn't when this came to light. Like I said, if you like it and it is working for you, rock on. As someone who has to answer for issues on the macro scale, I will choose other platforms and avoid the potential issues, of which I can think of several off the top of my head.

As to the 365, I know of several that had to be sent back. The guy that runs Military Arms Channel has two vids detailing issues, and he admittedly loves the gun.  Guns in the 320, 365, Glock, M&P etc. class are nothing more than utilitarian tools of the trade to me. In my life , brand loyalty lasts only as long as reliability and integrity based customer service does. I think Sig has addressed the drop safe issue now.  A good friend of mine manages a fleet of about 300 of them. He is satisfied with the fix, but hates Sig the company. Had the decision been his, they would have been dumped. Another agency of about 800 next door to me did dump them after numerous problems. 

Location: North Carolina

CWM11B posted:

The officer in CT was most certainly not a WC issue. A colleague called and spoke with their range staff and got the story. I know of another as well which did not involve injury. I've also verified to my satisfaction issues with the M17 as well. I, too was once a Sig fan and still have six classic P series in my safe. Sig's response to this was to lie and deny. Had it been "We have a problem and here is the recall/repair parts" I would have applauded them and said "The old Sig I knew and loved is back". They didn't do that. I was heavily involved in weapons procurement in the agency I retired from, and remain so with the one I volunteer for now. When we carried Sigs, we had exemplary service and regular visits by our rep. Then the current CEO came on board. Our rep was fired, and we never saw another until they tried to pimp the 250 on us. I was personally lied to by representatives of the new regime on more than one occasion.  I hope they get unfucked  and return to the quality they were known for. I have no dog in the fight, and didn't when this came to light. Like I said, if you like it and it is working for you, rock on. As someone who has to answer for issues on the macro scale, I will choose other platforms and avoid the potential issues, of which I can think of several off the top of my head.

As to the 365, I know of several that had to be sent back. The guy that runs Military Arms Channel has two vids detailing issues, and he admittedly loves the gun.  Guns in the 320, 365, Glock, M&P etc. class are nothing more than utilitarian tools of the trade to me. In my life , brand loyalty lasts only as long as reliability and integrity based customer service does. I think Sig has addressed the drop safe issue now.  A good friend of mine manages a fleet of about 300 of them. He is satisfied with the fix, but hates Sig the company. Had the decision been his, they would have been dumped. Another agency of about 800 next door to me did dump them after numerous problems. 

Is that the female officer that was holstering and the gun went off or are we talking about different incidents?

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Different. I'm referring to the guy in Stamford. His pistol was in a Safariland QLS equipped holster that was not attached to his belt . From my source, the weapon was in the holster, case still chambered thanks to the SLS. The other incident I was made aware of occurred in Ohio at a campus PD. The information I received on that one was an officer was in a bathroom stall and removed their belt to take a shit. Dropped the belt and the pistol discharged in the holster, no injuries. As previously mentioned, I have seen this replicated with a primed case, and it wasn't a reload, but a duty round with a pulled bullet. In an in-service duty pistol. In another thread on this subject, I made a post about Sigs aknowledgement  of the issue in the  owners manual for the 320. I verified to my satisfaction that that publication was not supposed to have been distributed, but edited prior to, further indicating to me Sig corporate was well aware of the issue. Again, the flaw is not my problem with Sig, it is the corporate decision to deny and cover it up that influenced my decision to not consider their products for the foreseeable future.

I know plenty of folks that are rabid fans of the gun and company.  I was a fan too at one point. That is fine by me, but it is concerning the number of folks I have heard say and post (on other forums, not here) that they weren't going to send theirs in because "Ain't nuthin' wrong with muh gun" or "I ain't gonna drop mine" At least one well known gunsmith had to eat a shit ton of steamed crow over this and has pretty much gone radio silent after it all came out. 

My opinion of the company and its products are unlikely to change until there is new leadership and a return to the QC and customer service I previously experienced with them.

Location: North Carolina

CWM11B posted:

Different. I'm referring to the guy in Stamford. His pistol was in a Safariland QLS equipped holster that was not attached to his belt . From my source, the weapon was in the holster, case still chambered thanks to the SLS. The other incident I was made aware of occurred in Ohio at a campus PD. The information I received on that one was an officer was in a bathroom stall and removed their belt to take a shit. Dropped the belt and the pistol discharged in the holster, no injuries. As previously mentioned, I have seen this replicated with a primed case, and it wasn't a reload, but a duty round with a pulled bullet. In an in-service duty pistol. In another thread on this subject, I made a post about Sigs aknowledgement  of the issue in the  owners manual for the 320. I verified to my satisfaction that that publication was not supposed to have been distributed, but edited prior to, further indicating to me Sig corporate was well aware of the issue. Again, the flaw is not my problem with Sig, it is the corporate decision to deny and cover it up that influenced my decision to not consider their products for the foreseeable future.

I know plenty of folks that are rabid fans of the gun and company.  I was a fan too at one point. That is fine by me, but it is concerning the number of folks I have heard say and post (on other forums, not here) that they weren't going to send theirs in because "Ain't nuthin' wrong with muh gun" or "I ain't gonna drop mine" At least one well known gunsmith had to eat a shit ton of steamed crow over this and has pretty much gone radio silent after it all came out. 

My opinion of the company and its products are unlikely to change until there is new leadership and a return to the QC and customer service I previously experienced with them.

Ah gotcha, the one I was aware of was a female officer that discharged the pistol while holstering and rolled it into a lawsuit. That's pretty crazy they went off while still in the holster, I wonder how the rear of the slide was hit with the SLS covering it? Maybe it was just an inertia thing.

The thing I dislike most about the fixed one is the loss of reset during dry fire. As released you could pull the trigger over and over which was awesome for dry fire. After sending them in this is gone and you have to rack the slide after each trigger press. I was in the camp of not wanting to send it in, but we were forced to by policy if we wanted to use them at work. Oh well.

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