G43 and Shield killer?

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Buddy of mine has a 365 firing pin broke yesterday at around 600rds. Haven't heard that problem before.

Don't worry, Sig will fix that on the Gen2 guns. Unfortunately nothing will be backwards compatible. 

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

Someone brought a 365 to a class I was in, and I just handled it and dry fired it after it was cleared properly. I did not see I'm shoo tit (I almost corrected that, but like it the way it is) nor did I. I have to say the trigger was surprisingly light. I'm not sure how big of a fan I am of very short, very light triggers on a super-compact gun. The sort of gun one would carry in a pocket holster.  I might be totally against the grain in that I think heavier triggers are better on self defense guns, and don't really have an issue with a 6 lb trigger.  

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Joined: 12-2005          Location: Central OK

Not a fan of the 320 trigger....my performance with it is extreme left POI compared to the GLOCK

 

Happy with my G4 G26 as compared to

my G43...little heavier but more rounds and shoot it much more accurately then the G43

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Joined: October 2, 2007

I put 500 rounds through my P365 this weekend. Several different types of ammo including some GD +P (all from Doc's recommended duty round list).

No issues at all with the exception of one failure to lock back on empty- and I'm pretty certain that was an operator error.

Two different shooters, including one female first-time shooter. The P365 fit very comfortably in both large and small hands. I mostly used Sig's 10 round magazine with the extended bottom since it seemed to provide a better grip. The felt recoil is very manageable and the trigger is extremely smooth.

On our second target the new shooter was kicking my ass shooting the middle out of the target. But they had a genetic advantage. Plus the sun was in my eyes.

Point being, it is very easy to shoot, comfortable and manageable.

I stripped and cleaned after the session. No unusual wear or buildup. None of the issues being reported on the intardnet were experienced.

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Joined: 9/5/2011 Location: The Former Empire State, now The State of Anarchy

OK so I was a gun store today and they had P365 display from Sig.

The display consisted of:

- A "pistol" tethered to the display. It looked like a real gun but the slide and trigger would not move. The magazine release was functional.

- Three magazines tethered to display - A (10) round flush mount, a (10) round extended, and a (12) round magazine. It felt good in the hand with all magazines. The stippling on the grip felt great. B

With the (10) round flush mount it had that pinkie finger is on but not really on feeling like my G43 has.

The (10) round extended felt really good. I believe the P365 with this magazine has a shorter grip than the G43 with their extension on it. I did not do a physical comparison and did not find anything using Google. I would probably conceal carry it with this magazine.

The (12) round magazine makes it feel like the Shield with their extra capacity magazine.

I have not shot one so all this is academic as they say but just holding it I would say it is more comfortable than my G43 and the Shield. I would love to shoot one.

Design-wise I think Sig did their homework. That being said, it is a Sig. This would not be the first gun Sig released to oohs and aahs only to have them turn into WTF's due to problems and lack of support.They released guns with feed and firing pin issues.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

For those who mentioned the gun is easy to shoot, does that include multiple rapid shots?  

I had a chance to shoot multiple co-workers’ P365’s. One thing I noticed is the grip angle is pretty close to vertical. I couldn’t really lock my shooting hand wrist as much as with other guns (including my G43) that have more grip angle. As a result I had a hard time shooting more than 3 shots at a time because my support hand  kept slipping off the gun, which is something that doesn’t happen with my slick sided G43. 

One thing that helped my support hand grip with the P365 was rubber talon grips.  My hand still slips during recoil, but not nearly as much.

 

 

Shooters Outpost?  If you want to get hands on, jump on 101 and visit the Sig Academy Store in Epping...worth the ride. 

My buddy picked up the last batch delivered to SO and we got it to the range Monday.  I have a g43 and a Shield, I was sold on the size and design but skeptical on the reliability based on initial reports. This gun shoots! Put 200 115gr Fiocchi, some White Box, Blazer, and 124gr +P Gold Dots that will be carried in it.   Not a single failure to feed or extract, 2 instances of failure to lock back but we had 3 shooters and it happens to the same guy both times...we chalked it up to shooter error. Used all magazines, including the 12 rounders and all fed well.  The night sights are sharp and bright, the grip is a great size, and recoil wasn't overly snappy.   I shot it holding loosely with 2 fingers, did not induce any malfunctions. The trigger is smooth and light, with a positive reset...so smooth, I might be interested in a safety version when it's released. 

It's on my list, hard to beat the capacity. I went from a G26 to a 43, now having gotten used to this makes my 26 feel like a brick.  It's a perfect pocket or backup gun.  I was very pleasantly surprised. We're going to shoot the shit out of it and maintain a round count and I'll update if we develop any issues .

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Well....range day 2 and the gun is deadlined with what sounds like a broken firing pin.  I wasn't there, but the first round failed to fire, as with all subsequent rounds. No dimple on primer.  Haven't heard all the details, but they do have an armorer with them.  Gun is brand new, 200 rounds through it, and has probably seen a few hundred dry firing cycles in the last week.  Not confidence inspiring that's for sure, but we live within an hour of the Sig Academy and factory so we'll hand deliver the gun and get a full report of the failure and repair to post here. 

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Well Crap...

I really want to get one of these to use an a new BUG after holding and dry firing one. 

But breaking firing pins doesn’t leave me feeling confident in doing so at this point.

 

 

 

Joined: 4-23-04                                          Location: SW Ohio

The manual advised against further disassembly than a basic field strip, rather than do anything to possibly affect the warranty my friend is contacting Sig today for return/repair.  I examined the gun yesterday, the firing pin is definitely broken and missing. The trigger has a noticeably different feel.  They didn't save any brass but apparently there is a telltale swipe on the primer from the firing pin dragging with these pistols.   There are numerous reports online of broken firing pins,  this wasn't a unique or isolated issue. There are concerns that dry firing could contribute to the problem, but that should absolutely not cause an issue over such a short time period. 

Very interested to see and report how Sig addresses this.  To have a new gun, marketed as a reliable EDC completely and unknowingly deadlined after a week of ownership and a few hundred rounds is unfuckingacceptable.  The realization that he was carrying a paperweight for a week was quite sobering and infuriating for him. This is the exact reason I and most on here didn't run out and buy one.  I had high hopes, this felt and shot better than I expected, but this is the Sig downside. He's seriously considering telling Sig to keep it and picking up a G43 instead, which was my recommendation and his initial choice. 

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I would definitely shit can the platform. Shield or G43 for that role if I were your bud. 

Broken record time, but NO Sigs for me until the corporate culture that has resulted in this is gone. It will be a very long time, if ever, that I will be able to trust a product of theirs.

Location: North Carolina

Anyone hear about the woman who was still a virgin after three weddings?

First time she married for money, and when the old geezer saw her get undressed, he keeled over and died.

Second time she married for love, and her new groom was so smitten that while crossing the street to the hotel he couldn't look at anything but her, stepped in front of a truck and was killed.

Third time she married a Navy Detailer  SIG Engineer and he just sat on the bed telling her how great it was gonna be.

Its shit like this with guns not working even from Sig that had me carrying a Makarov for 4 years in college.  It might not be flashy, or high capacity, or do much of anything but shoot shitty russian ball accurately with boring reliability, but damn it It was the most reliable gun I could get for $250 bucks

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I won't be buying any more new Sigs for a long time.  I kinda want a P220 Legion in 10mm; I'll have to check gunbroker and see if I can come across a used one. And i may pick up a 357 SIG caliber conversion for my P226, but that's it. I won't get the P220 new for sure. I just don't trust any Sigs not the classic P-series, and I don't want to give the company much more money after the P320 fiasco.

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Back Spin posted:
[SNIP} One thing I noticed is the grip angle is pretty close to vertical. I couldn’t really lock my shooting hand wrist as much as with other guns (including my G43) that have more grip angle. As a result I had a hard time shooting more than 3 shots at a time because my support hand  kept slipping off the gun, which is something that doesn’t happen with my slick sided G43. 

One thing that helped my support hand grip with the P365 was rubber talon grips.  My hand still slips during recoil, but not nearly as much.

 

 

While I didn't have the same experience, this is a perceptive and useful observation.

When compared to the 43, the back of the P365 grip is rounded, but less pronounced (not an apt comparison, but the grip is very similar to my P229). The 43 also has an extended "beavertail" when compared to the P365. Overall, those factors change the grip dynamics.

The smaller size did cause me to make some ergonomic adjustments. However, with repeated practice I didn't have any issues with the grip on repeated shots.

I'm at ~625 rounds and no issues.

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Joined: 9/5/2011 Location: The Former Empire State, now The State of Anarchy

So I got to qualify yet another co-worker who bought this gun. Of course I had to shoot it as well. 

This time I made sure to have my support hand grip/wrist angle match the P365’s more vertical grip angle. That one change in technique allowed to rapidly fire 10 rounds without my hand slipping off.  Earlier I was trying to force a more pronated support hand wrist angle that I use on other guns, which obviously didn’t work. 

 

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