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Or I guess, super-secret ninja assassin gun as soon as they come out with threaded barrels. Weird it took them this long to make one. 

Nice of them to have a terribly-optimized email, with very large photos as thumbnails in it, I thought  

Weird to me how the mag has the deep reinforcing/cutouts on the back. And I guess polymer slide cover to keep weight down. 

"USA"? 

I would guess looking at it all, purely straight blowback, but nice of them to make the barrel remove the same way as usual I think. 

Marketing email says to go here for more, but it doesn't work yet http://www.plink44.com/

 

Apparently, a bunch were sent out to reviewers quite a while back, embargo was lifted at midnight local for everyone, so there are a fair number of articles, YT video reviews, etc. out there now if you go search. 

Any of you all have one? 

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I was kind of dreading this announcement, as there were rumours of a Glock carbine.

If that happened, I'm pretty sure that the next thing that would have happened up here in Canada, would be that the RCMP lab would immediately declare all Glock magazines to be "dual purpose", designed for the carbine, and thereafter be restricted to 5 rounds, thus making every 10 round Glock magazine in Canada a prohibited device, and every owner an instant criminal.

They already performed this sleight of hand space and time bending time travel a couple of times.

First, when S&W brought out the pistol version of the M&P 15-22, a couple of years after the carbine, and the 25 round .22 magazines had to be limited to 10, because they were obviously originally designed for the handgun version.

Second, when Ruger brought out the Challenger, as they deemed that the Ruger 25 round magazine, that came out decades before the Challenger, was somehow originally designed for a handgun, and was thereby restricted to 10 rounds.

They will always restrict the magazine to its smallest capacity, so unrestricted capacity .22 rifle magazines become 10 round any calibre handgun magazines, and 10 round handgun magazines become 5 round centerfire long gun magazines.

Having said that, the fact that it is the size of a Glock 19, immediately makes it a prohibited handgun, as the barrel is a couple of mm short.

So we will have to wait until either there are longer/threaded aftermarket barrels that can be fitted prior to import, or Glock themselves deems it viable to produce a "Canadian" version, like they did with the 19 Gen4. I won't hold my breath over the latter, as we have yet to see either a 19 Gen5 or 45 up here without aftermarket barrels brought in by a "grey-market" importer, as Glock wants to sell all their 19 Gen4s and their "hey, we made this just for Canada" 48s first.

I guess I will get to shoot them at SHOT next month though, so there is that.

Regards.

Mark

Carbine? Ha. It was what, mid 90s when someone was having dinner with Gaston, asked when they rumored carbined was to come out and the answer was "soon." 

And think of the obscure, one-off trials Glocks and accessories we've seen, over the years. Never a whiff of even a UFO sighting quality video of the carbine. 

At this point, I might not believe they released one even if I was handling it myself. 

I bet they will sell a ton of these.

It looks like (hopefully)  they made the mags full size and with similar shape so that you can use your .40/9mm  mag holders to practice reloads.

Interesting they used a dual recoil spring.

I predict many people will be working on getting the weight and balance similar to a G19.

While I'm interested in one as a trainer, I'd have preferred a PCC.

 

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stray round posted:

I bet they will sell a ton of these.

It looks like (hopefully)  they made the mags full size and with similar shape so that you can use your .40/9mm  mag holders to practice reloads.

Interesting they used a dual recoil spring.

I predict many people will be working on getting the weight and balance similar to a G19.

While I'm interested in one as a trainer, I'd have preferred a PCC.

 

Not possible.  Aftermarket .22 conversions use aluminum slides so they can keep the weight feasible for a .22 blowback action.  Glock chose to achieve the same thing with a combination of steel and polymer.  The dual recoil spring looks the same as a Gen4 or 5, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that the spring tension is not.

Dorsai posted:
stray round posted:

I bet they will sell a ton of these.

It looks like (hopefully)  they made the mags full size and with similar shape so that you can use your .40/9mm  mag holders to practice reloads.

Interesting they used a dual recoil spring.

I predict many people will be working on getting the weight and balance similar to a G19.

While I'm interested in one as a trainer, I'd have preferred a PCC.

Not possible.  

But there is area in the backstrap,  guide rod and either in or outside the dust cover to add weight.

That is without going crazy with a router on the frame or adding weight to the  recesses in the back of the mags to try and equal the weight of a loaded magazine, etc..

 

 

The problem with adding weight to the gun or magazine won't have the same balance as the G19, which was what you originally desired.  Personally, I think this gun is best left as it is with very minor modifications.  The frame could be stippled, and otherwise altered to match your favorite Gucci Glock 19.  You can put the same trigger in the G44, and the same iron sights  on it.  Adding mass to the reciprocating slide would require removing an equivalent mass.  Someone will need to physically examine one to determine if there is even enough metal in the slide to allow milling for an RMR.  And then figure out if you can remove an equivalent weight from the front of the slide.  That said, is it worth spending $1500 to make a .22LR equivalent?  Really?  If you're shooting big boy guns, the purpose of the .22 is to get in more practice on the cheap.  The equation is relatively easy.  The cost to do all of your work, plus the gun itself, is a fixed number.  Cost of ammo is a variable.  Cost of gun & mods + (.22 ammo cost per round)(number of rounds)   < (9mm ammo cost)(number of rounds).  I'm thinking that you need to shoot an astronomical amount of .22 before a modified gun becomes cost effective.  

Assuming a base G19 and a base G44 at $350, the G44 becomes a savings over shooting 9mm at maybe 1,500 rds of .22 (wild ass guess).  That is achievable.  In my mind, the purpose of a ".22 service pistol" is more of a trainer for a young or inexperienced shooter to bring them up to speed before transitioning to a full size gun and caliber.  I basically did that with an M&P22 (both pistol and rifle).  My kids liked them for the low weight and low recoil.  They could train and have fun.  When asked which she preferred, the 9mm or .22, my oldest said she didn't perceive much of a difference.  Largely I think because she had become familiar with running the .22 first.

Ok, so I just received a notification from my Glock distributor that the Glock 44 will indeed be available in Canada, as it will have a 106mm barrel, which makes it a standard restricted firearm instead of prohibited.

Just placed an order for a couple, with half a dozen spare magazines. I already have a couple of sets of Trijicon HD sights to mount on them, to match our current 9mm guns.

If they are good, they may replace our Beretta Mod 87 Target for training guns.

Regards.

Mark

 

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Meh, I think it's cool, and if they'd come out with it 10 years ago I'd probably have bought one.  As it is, I have a G19 .22 conversion upper that I rarely use as it is.  Old man eyes make iron sights uh...challenging for me.  I think Dorsai is on point....by the time I went thought the hassle and expense of getting one set up to run with a MRDS, even if it's possible, I'd be money ahead to do ahead and shoot the 9mm.  

If they had a MOS version of that thing, they could take my money.  We'll see.  

I like the idea of a .22 pistol that functions like my 9mm Glocks to start training my kids on and for working with new shooters. I bought a Mosquito about 13 years ago thinking it would work that way as a complement to my Sigs, but that one obviously didn't work out.

This article from Guns.com includes the following quote at the end:

"With an MSRP of $430, the Glock G44 is set to launch on Jan. 20, 2020 and will be available in a threaded barrel option as well."

I'm mainly enjoying the gun internetz catching on fire after the G44 announcement. 

As with any new Glock, the comments on all other sites and channels run to the usual: 

A. "Glock sucks why didn't they make this years ago!" 

B. "Glock never gives me, the guy buyer, what they want!!! Why didn't they make this in 10mm, with a G26-sized grip? Glock sucks!!!"

C. "Glock Sucks! Where's my Glock carbine?" 

 In all seriousness, it's a cool concept and I look forward to using it as a suppressed pistol for new shooters, as well as just plain old having fun blasting stuff in the back 40. I've had a couple of different conversion kits over the years, but they just never felt "right", as well as requiring you to source another frame or leave a displaced center fire slide hanging around somewhere. 

 

 

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If you get away from Glock fan boy type valuation, the G44 has a niche value in the same way that the full size S&W M&P22 does.  It is the same size as the centerfire counterpart, fits the same holster, etc.  In a couple of areas, it exceeds the S&W in that it uses the same backstraps to adjust hand fit, and the same trigger.  The S&W doesn't have any grip change ability, uses a different FC design with a trigger that is inferior to the full size gun, and does not use the same mag pouch.  I never had any issues with the Advantage Arms conversion, so for a Gen3 or earlier gun, the G44 doesn't offer much.  I don't know if Advantage Arms makes a Gen5 conversion.

The Sig Mosquito, Walther P22, Ruger and M&P22 compact are small guns.  The Sig has horrible reliability and ammunition compatibility.  The Walther is better, but not great.  I don't know about the Ruger.  The M&P has a good rep.  Glock has a history of introducing similar guns, years after the competition.  As a practical, small .22, one based on the G48 and priced competitively, would be a competitor, but like I said, years after the others.  

The test will be a bunch of people shooting a bunch of G44s with a bunch of different .22 brands.

So much so, WAY too many big name makers don't make .22s, just let Umarex et al put their name on the side. 

The M&P isn't even a Smith, but a slightly Smith-shaped (no replaceable backstraps!?) offshoot of the (not great) Walther. 

I don't love Glock, but an in-house design with all the care of a full-size gun is a Good Thing. I also sorta hate .22. I go SIRT>Airsoft>Centerfire (for the most part), but if I was a Glock person I'd have one of these on order now on principle. 

My wife fell in love with the Walther P99C years ago and shoots it pretty well even with the DA/SA transition.  A couple years later she voiced an interest in the P22 so I bought her one.  Ours has been a fun reliable way to get some trigger time in.  

She has since started carrying a G19.5 but still gets fatigued when practicing with the 9mm quicker than with a .22lr.  If the G44 gets good reviews I can see us adding one to the stable.   The longer I can keep her wanting to shoot per range session is a good thing. 

shoobe01 posted:

 I also sorta hate .22.

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I've always  had a weakness and fascination for the .22rf and firearms chambered for it.   

I grew up before the deer population expansion when small game was the thing and a .22 rifle was the hunting rifle.   There were years and probably a few decades when something wasn't done daily with a .22,  from dry firing, competing,  hunting, to long range shooting with both rifle and pistol or killing something that needed killing.  

I can't imagine becoming a shooter or not having a .22.   I'm thinking one of these Glocks would be a good addition to dry work and be an encouragement to work on weaknesses and those things we just don't like to do without spending a lot on ammo cost.

 

 

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It looks Gen. 5'ish but no markings on the slide that I saw.  I didn't see anything on the website, either. Is it considered a Gen. 5? Not that it really matters to me, just curious.

The frame is cosmetically Gen5.  But the Gen5 9mm guns are not just the 2 pin frames.  It's all the other changes that differentiated it from the earlier versions.  It looks like, or is reported to have a Gen5 trigger, mag release, maybe the take down tab, grip adapters.  

For what it’s worth, The Firearm Blog states in their review that it’s compatible with Gen 5 holsters, trigger feels the same, and it disassembles the same. Not official Glock info, but they did an extensive review of it, so I’m sure they confirmed the answers with Glock if there was any doubt.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com...12/10/glock-44-22lr/

Q: What’s a good GLOCK 44 size comparison?

A: It’s a compact handgun. The G44 is indistinguishable in size from a Gen 5 G19.

Q. What does the GLOCK 44 trigger feel like?

A. The G44 trigger feels exactly like a Gen 5 G19.

Q. Tell me about the GLOCK 44 disassembly process.

A. The G44 field strips for cleaning and maintenance like any other commercially available GLOCK pistol.

Q. Can I swap a G19 frame in for a GLOCK 44 Frame and vice versa?

A. While the G44 and Gen5 G19 Frames appear identical to me, I’ve been told the G44 frame is not interchangeable with other GLOCK pistols.

Q. What GLOCK G44 holster and magazine carrieroptions are available?

A. Any holster or carrier designed for the Gen 5 G19 will work with the G44.

Q. What GLOCK G44 light and laser combinations are currently available.

A. Any weaponlight or laser designed to work with current accessory rail-equipped GLOCK pistols will work on the GLOCK 44.

Q. What about GLOCK 44 sights?

A. The GLOCK 44 comes standard with basic polymersights but can use any sights designed for the Gen 5 G19 pistols.

I get it if the G44 isn't your bag. We don't all have to like the same things. This used to be a founding principle of America at one time, I've heard...

In my world, with a threaded barrel and a suppressor, the  G44 would fill a several  niches, such as:

1. Quiet pest and wounded animal control, both on the Job and around the home turf.

2. Training new shooters with a non-flinch-inducing gun. 

3. A sub-caliber trainer that fits in my duty holster and has a similar trigger and sights, to mix things up when I'm tired of dry fire but don't want to or can't shoot centerfire rounds. 

I've used a GSG 1911 .22-LR for a number of years in the above roles, but I don't carry a 1911 on the Job, anymore, so this would appear to be a better fit for my tasks. 

 

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I'll buy one. I have sub-caliber equivalents for many of my bigger guns and I shoot a lot of .22 indoors in the winter.

I already have a Ciener Coverter on a G19 frame and an Advantage Arms converter on a G17 frame. Those guns (and the .22 conversion unit for my Sig 226) need hot ammo to function  -- something with a plated bullet at 1200 fps or faster. I prefer CCI mini-mags for that application.

Speaking of .22s (but not trying to derail the G 44 thread) Christmas came early in the mail today:

I swore my next gun would be a G 48, but the wife wanted a smaller .22 for her comfort and the little hands of the kids (it's all about the children.  Won't someone think of the poor children?).  I didn't go looking for a laser, but, the only one with the features I wanted had it so... Because it's the wife's idea, I didn't have to trade or sell something to get it.

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