Anyone have  idea if / when the Glock 10mms (specifically the 20 and 29) will get the Gen 5 update?   I am looking at updating my brown bear defense gun.   Current 44 mag is fine but after shooting a friends 29, I like the added capacity and commonality with my Glock platforms.  If the gen 5 is on the horizon I may wait for it.  

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I'm going to go with "never".  When we were researching new duty handguns, I talked to the Glock sales manager about possible calibers other than the 9mm.  He said he didn't believe they were going to do Gen. 5's in anything other than 9mm, and possibly .45. He stated that they didn't believe there would be enough additional sales for the other calibers to justify retooling over the Gen. 4 models they currently offer.

Of course, Glock is notorious for springing a surprise product on even their sales force, so it might show up tomorrow.

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The 9mm never needed the 2nd pin in the locking block.  That was added when the .40 S&W was introduced, after they had some failures.  IIRC, they continued to make the 9mm guns with a single pin for awhile. The Glock 20 (10mm) and 21 (.45acp) both came out in 1990 and both have 2-pin locking blocks.  I suspect that while the 10mm has a lower model number, they were designed and developed at the same time and because of the 10mm, they used a stronger, common locking block.  Following that logic, if Glock was trying to standardize the Gen5 with a single pin, then it might work with the .45 due to the lower pressure.  My gut says that there isn't a large enough market in 10mm and .45 to make it worthwhile. 

The Glock 21 and 30 are different in the same way as the Glock 17 and 19.  The Gen 5 Glocks standardized on a Glock 19 locking block and modified the longer slides to fit what are essentially long and extra long G19 barrels.  If there was enough .45acp market, I could see them doing it.  But my gut says there isn't enough there to justify it, considering they invested in Gen4 molds and tooling.  But I've been wrong before, so good luck!

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I can't really see Glock spending much time on the .45 and 10mm. As Dorsai points out, the market just isn't there, and the Gen 4 stuff already covers the niche market that does exist.

10mm is on life support and .45ACP is headed that direction. The 10mm market is fishermen and hunters, the .45 LE market is agencies that have brass or rangemasters that should have have retired in 2005.
The only real place for .45 now is match shooting at Camp Perry and the like.

Glock has apparently produced Gen 5 Glock 22s for the Brazilian state police:

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/...gen-5s-spotted-wild/

Interesting that they have a single pin. This was obviously a special order for an agency, but it looks like Glock is willing to do calibers other than 9mm in the Gen 5 line if there's enough incentive.

Dave

Interesting to know if there are any changes to the frame engineering that made the 2nd locking block pin unnecessary.  IIRC, when Glock first introduced the G22, it had a single pin.  Essentially, the G17 frame with a straight ejector.  They went to the 2-pin because of stress problems.  The 2nd pin prevented rotation of locking block under recoil.  For those who can remember that far back, they continued making the 1 pin G17 and G19 until the Gen3  was introduced with the finger grooves and accessory rail, at which time the 9mm guns used the same 2 pin frame.

So, back to the Gen5 G22.  Which is essentially, a G23L as Glock went to the G19 locking block geometry for the Gen5 guns.  That could be the reason why the single pin design was enough, but I'm speculating.  

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I was thinking the same thing about the common G19 locking block design on the Gen 5 pistols. I don’t recall if the G23 suffered from the same stress issues as the G22, but maybe they found that the G19 locking block wasn’t as susceptible.

I’ve been getting the itch to buy a G20. You know, just in case I ever run into a bear in the woods. I’d like to have the Gen 5 features if I’m going to spring for one. We’ve actually had a brown bear mother and cub spotted off and on for several months in our neighborhood here in central PA, but I don’t plan to ever mess with them. I haven’t seen them myself, but I’ve seen photos from neighbors. They’ve been tearing up bird feeders to prep for the winter, but they should be hibernating by now.

Dave

For 10mm being on life support.. Springfield Armory cannot keep up with demand on their new 10mm pistols. They've sold 3 production years worth of predicted sales in less than a year.

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3ACR_Scout posted:

I’ve been getting the itch to buy a G20. You know, just in case I ever run into a bear in the woods.

I've come up with that itch too.   I know I really don't have a need for one but those sasquatches are big and it's getting close to breeding time.

Plus, I keep having that nagging feeling if it really has a noticeable gain over a .40.

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Slight derail... but... if you like hammering steel with your pistol... you HAVE TO TRY IT WITH FULL HOUSE LOADS IN 10MM.....

Even rifle plates / pepper poppers go down with a quickness....after a couple stages with 10mm.. you will feel .. well... inadequate with just about any other standard auto-pistol caliber in your hand.

Its like that grin that you get when you stand on the gas in a cammed, high compression V8 with a proper (open headers are a start) exhaust for the first time.

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Double Tap and Buffalo Bore both make several nice loadings for 10mm.  (1st Gen G20 and S&W 610)

I've generated some nasty handloads for 10mm but I hazard to even share much info other than 200gr zipping along about 1600/1650/1700 fps.

Its HARD on components and you have to bump your recoil springs quite a bit. I've also learned to not try to get more than a single HOT load use out of new brass.

but... they will DROP a deer and the will lay down plates in an eye-popping fashion         

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David Reeves posted:

I've generated some nasty handloads for 10mm but I hazard to even share much info other than 200gr zipping along about 1600/1650/1700 fps.

Wow.   Here I was wondering if I could get around 1200fps with 200 to 220 grain blts. without undue wear.

I think that power level would do anything I would need.  My .44 loads are probably around 1100 to 1250 fps with a 240 grain

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Find the heaviest recoil springs you can.. it will go a long ways towards the longevity of the pistol.

Wolff makes springs up to 24 lbs for the G20. They used to make them heavier but they have changed the plan and aren't making 26/28/30 lb anymore but you can find them occasionally at gunshows.

Alternatively there was the DPM recoil reduction system but I'm not sure if they are available anymore.

Understand that once you start upping the springs you WILL have issues cycling normal rounds.

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