Glock 17 frame/Glock 19 slide with threaded barrel???

This basically lets you put a Roland slide on a full size grip frame and still fit in holsters designed for a Glock 34.

 

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Makes sense, HE.  I've got factory threaded barrels for my Gen4 G19 and G17, but to date I've only used them when friends had brought cans to the range. Never carried with a Roland-style comp.  I see the point now.

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High Exposure posted:

This basically lets you put a Roland slide on a full size grip frame and still fit in holsters designed for a Glock 34.

 

I just did this with an M&P 1.0 FS.  17rd mag, 4.25" barrel and a TBRC compensator.  S&W mimics the G19 with the 2.0 Compact, now Glock mimics S&W.  I predict that they'll start making G17 and 34 slides with an extended (backwards) lower slide so it fits the G19 frame. 

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Ah yes...the Glock Commander. 

Intriguing.

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I like it for LE for the following reasons- 

G19 length slide is fast out of the holster

G17 grip is great for those if us who have large hands

Hopefully they will offer it in basic black for uniformed patrol. 

Black is the new brown...or something like that 

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So this is basically the civilian release of the Glock handgun that should have won the Army's handgun competition.

They managed to bring it out really quickly, for Glock. I guess they looked at the internet, and figured with all the bitching about the results of the handgun competition, that they had a real moneymaker on their hands. It also allows them to keep the 17M and 19M guns out of civilian hands without people complaining.

I think this could probably end up being the best selling gun they have ever made.

I would like to see the ambi external safety version of this gun for sale as well. I think it would sell well to LE, and people that prefer something similar to a 1911 "cocked and locked" style. I believe the M&P 2.0 external safety version is selling well.

If they were to bring out a single stack version of this gun in 9/40/45, everyone else might as well close up shop or start making gardening tools.

A related point with regard to this thread, is that I believe the new Gen5 17 and 19 have the same internal geometry and may be interchangeable with regard to slide and frame. I haven't tried it myself, but it seems to be possible from what I have read.

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MWL posted:

That's probably because most of the mouth breathers want a 19 size frame with a 17 length slide.

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Mark

Pffft...do you even know how to conceal, bro...feast your eyes on a 17L to 26 grip chop:

(Those fuckers must have the tiniest hands...)

 

The 19X looks like it would suit my large dick-beaters just fine and it solves the problem of wanting to use 17 and 17+2 mags for capacity and mucking with magwells and X-grip nonsense.  Slap and RMR and/or go full Roland Special and watch me work.  

 

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MWL posted:

Weird,

The videos are no longer available, and the links now just go to the generic Glock site.

Either this got let out too soon, or it was a test to see how it would be received.

Regards.

Mark

I noticed that as well and came to the same conclusions; hopefully the first is the case and we'll see at SHOT.  If its the later, and I had to pick an image for how it is being received by the "masses", I choose this:

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I can’t believe how many people are hating on this gun.  What part of it is the Glock MHS submission do people not understand?  They are bashing the configuration calling Glock tone deaf as if this gun was designed for the civilian market.  I bet if you took the time to cross reference MHS threads you would find the same people begging for this very gun.  Calling the Army stupid for not buying it but heaven forbid Glock try and sell this wonder pistol to the public.

 

Also, the G19 is not some wonder pistol for all people.  I had one and sold it.  Even after dremeling all the ridges and creating an undercut to address it beating my hands up I couldn’t dremel my way out of pinching my palm ever reload.  Some of us have XXL hands and need a bigger grip.

I'm interested in the ability of this gun to be a full sized Roland Special.

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Right? 

The internetz "masses" hated on Glock for years, for having no single-row compact nine. Then when the G43 appeared, it was "too late", and "the wrong size", and etc... 

The "masses" hated on Glock for years, because the Gen.3/4 frames had finger grooves. Then the 17M/Gen.5 appeared, and the crowd said, "REEEE!!!! It's too late, and it has not enough new changes and too many new parts REEEE!!!!" 

So on, and so forth. At the end of the day, this gun looks like a cool package for some users. The "REEEE!" crowd needs to calm down and realize it's okay for different people to like different things. 

But, it is fun to watch the butt-hurtedness from the "masses". 

 

 

 

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 The "masses"....fuck them, and most of the internet.

When the original M&P full size came, the biggest compliant was it wasn't G19 sized.  Some guys wouldn't even consider/try it for just that reason.

Now, S&W comes out with a G19 size M&P, and no one cares..too little too late, accuracy speculation, etc etc.

AND...

Glock now has an M&P FS size 19/17...and everyone is falling all over themselves.

of course there were all the Sig & Army haters questioning the size of the M17..

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Our local gun forum up here in Canada, CanadianGunNutz, has a thread on this.

It is running pretty much true to what I expected. All the "tactical operators", also known as mouthbreathing fuckwits, really hate it, and don't see the point.

Well, it just makes it easier for those of us that plan to get one, if the window lickers aren't in the queue.

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Is the G19 barrel long enough for you guys up north, Mark? I seem to remember some crazy BS about minimum barrel lengths for pistols that made people have Glock 26s with hugely extended barrels or something similar years back.

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The standard length 19 barrel makes the gun a Prohib, which can only be possessed by .gov/mil/LE; companies like mine with the right licences; or people who were grandfathered in with prohib licences, but they generally can't get a new gun.

We have threaded 19s that fall into the Restricted class, along with pretty much all other handguns, AR15s, etc..

So I guess we will see a few up here as shown, and a whole bunch more with threaded barrels.

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Mark

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I think it’s cool that this is coming to market or might be. Right now I’m beyond good on the number of Glocks in my stable so I’m probably not going to be in line for this. For those that have been wanting this I hope it comes to market.

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Everyone moaning and bitching about this, is really just showing how clueless they really are.

All the... how do they expect people to CC this, I want front serrations, I don't like the colour, it should be the other way around...

It is everywhere, CGN, M4C, GT. I am just grateful that I can come here and see some sensible discussion.

This is just Glock releasing their MHS entry sans manual safety. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you want one, buy it. If you have a use for one, buy it. If it's your dream gun, buy it.

If you don't, just sit down and STFU. There will be other Glocks.

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I’ve always wanted something that size. I’ve had a long love/hate relationship with 19’s.  (Although I have yet to seriously run a gen 5 19) I’ve found they are generally the best all around size but I always tend to jam the fat part of my hand into the mag well on reloads. The damn thing needs to be about a quarter inch longer. I’ve installed a mag well on mine and that tends to help a bit. 

Now do them in black, cut them for an RMR and sell them with a 17 and 19 sized frame in the same package. 

Now they just announced the GEN5 G26 and G34 MOS

Been wanting another 26 so this will compliment my GEN5 G17 nicely.

makes sense as a BUG/off duty for the FBI agents or those that carry the GEN5 fill size as a duty weapon.

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I think I may get a Gen4 G17 to go with my G19, and my next GSSF Coupon may very well be a G34MOS rather than a G17Gen5 like I was thinking originally. Having something that is RMR capable would be a good thing.

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Dorsai posted:
High Exposure posted:

This basically lets you put a Roland slide on a full size grip frame and still fit in holsters designed for a Glock 34.

 

I just did this with an M&P 1.0 FS.  17rd mag, 4.25" barrel and a TBRC compensator.  S&W mimics the G19 with the 2.0 Compact, now Glock mimics S&W.  I predict that they'll start making G17 and 34 slides with an extended (backwards) lower slide so it fits the G19 frame. 

I had to come back and start the thread over because this is what I would likewise see, a factory gun that puts a 17 slide on a 19 frame. Eliminates having to chop a 17 frame down to 19 size and the teeth gnashing that ensues  if you screw it up. For my purposes and maybe my purposes only, I can see no need for this iteration (19 slide on 17 frame). 

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Why is it that we all complain that Glock never changes, then complain when they do?  It's incremental for Glock.  Has been...will be.

Why the 19X?  Well...

1. Glock's MHS submission has consumer appeal.  Period.  This is that gun, minus the thumb safety stuff. 

2.  Glock had already tooled up to a large extent and this helps recover the investment and turn a profit off what was a disappointment in the MHS selection. That's a good thing for all.

3. There are historical precedents for this combo of frame/slide proportions (full-size frame mid-size slide)...Colt Commander, H&K P7, and others.

4. There is a demand for this combo...I want one and have for some time.  I have huge hands and the G19 is less than ideal for my grip.  Gen5 design helps some, but I still like the bigger handle.  Otherwise, the slightly shorter slide works for me, loses little to a 17 in velocity, and holsters better.  If you ride in a car all day, that 1/2" can matter for seat wear and comfort, as it digs in to the seat less.

It has some features that might make it into the rest of the line, but otherwise is just a unique Glock product and its cool that consumers can get one.  Glock is not marketing this as the best ever, gotta have gun, nor reinventing their entire line.  It's an option, it's a toy, and some folks might like it.  I don't get the "It's not what I want, so it's stupid" complaints or criticism.  I personally don't care for the long slide/short frame combo, especially given how little the extra barrel length offers for terminal effectiveness and even sight radius.  But hey, whatever, cool, and definitely see why those who do like that combo would prefer to not need to have custom work to achieve it.

Still, many shooters don't worry about CCW, nor prioritize and judge all their handguns off CCW-ability.  Some pistols are just holster guns, and some are neither carry or holster, but still worth owning and shooting.  In the end, I think the 19X is cool, because it represents Glock's take on the MHS requirements, and their idea of what a US duty pistol might look like.  That's enough reason to buy one, especially given that the P320/M17 has had some issues and was never deemed better than the Glock offering, just more affordable.  Plus, I am one of the folks who have been wanting to see a combo like this from Glock for a long time.

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I can see the utility as described by TNYANKEE above and I hope no one interpreted this "For my purposes and maybe my purposes only, I can see no need for this iteration" as me hating on Glock releasing this to the public. 
It's just not for me.  More choices is just that, more ways to skin a cat or kill a bad guy.

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My opinion is more simplistic:

If you want to buy it, do so. If you don't...don't.

What's the difference if you don't know the difference?

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I guess im a fucking mouth breather then because this set up is worthless for me.  19 grips are just about the right size.  Unless you have hands that dont fit on a 19 I really dont understand the point whatsoever. 

If im going to go to a full sized grip Im not going to be concealing it, so why wouldnt I just carry a 34 or 17? 

Rick

 Edited to add: the "fast out of the holster" benefit is complete bullshit.

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Taurus Judge.  Why do I bring this up in a Glock thread?  Because if the Judge is an economic success, it means there is enough variation in desire to cover nearly any configuration.  It also goes to show that when you start saying that is a stupid design, it isn't what people want, etc., there is a very good chance you are wrong.  I do not like the Judge.  I don't see anything the Judge does that isn't done better by another gun.  I don't include a .410 revolver as I don't see it as having a purpose.  For a couple of years now, I've said that had I been on the board at Taurus and somebody proposed a .410 revolver, I'd have said no and thought seriously about firing the idiot.  And history has shown I'd have been wrong.

As Benton says, if you want it, buy it.  If you don't want it, don't.  I have my visions of what I want in a gun.  Sometimes it is a very narrow niche.  As an example, I've swapped slides, etc. on M&Ps to make them what I want.  Something that isn't available from the factory.  Glock has come up with a new variation.  Some will like it.  Some will consider it a launching pad to their dream gun, i.e. all those guys who will rush to get a 19x so they can compensate it, resulting in a G34 size, compensated Glock.  I guarantee that if Glock made a slim, single stack, full size 9mm, there would be guys creaming their jeans and an anti-crowd exclaiming that it is the worst thing Glock has done.

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GLOCK did not design this gun for you or me. They designed it to meet the MSH requirements. That’s the point of the grip size...it was a mag capacity driven design decision. Every aspect of this gun was driven by the requirements, as interpreted by Gaston’s finest. Get past the idea that because you might not understand it, that it is invalid. GLOCK made a business decision to bring this interesting, if not perfect, gun to market. That’s awesome. In return they get internet screeching which will be remembered next time they think outside the box.

The good news is that if you like your Glock 19, you can keep your Glock 19. And no one has to be “stupid.”

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I don't see the point of a shorter slide with a long grip unless you are going for a gun like the Roland Special in a package no longer than a standard G17/G34. That can have its benefits. 

I would like to shoot one of these to see how they do before I consign them to the trash heap. 

Personally I'd have liked a Gen5 MOS with front serration variant before this, but I'm not head of R&D or Marketing at a multi national multi billion dollar enterprise. Maybe for a reason. I don't understand not having a complete MSH version with thumb safety to satisfy the fanboi and tap into the CZ "it has a safety" market either.

But if it shoots well and is reliable and will let me shoot faster with less points down? I could be in the market for one. 

 

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Longeye posted:

I don't understand the fascination with a thumb safety on a design that has been proven not to need it. 

Does it come from real gunfighters or Instagram pogues that lie about how often they CCW?

Or from admin POGs who have never seen a sidearm?

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Longeye posted:

I don't understand the fascination with a thumb safety on a design that has been proven not to need it. 

Does it come from real gunfighters or Instagram pogues that lie about how often they CCW?

I like them. When I'm near a real key board I'll explain why.

I'm pretty sure there is a thread here discussing thumb safeties.

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BooneGA posted:

I guess im a fucking mouth breather then because this set up is worthless for me.  19 grips are just about the right size.  Unless you have hands that dont fit on a 19 I really dont understand the point whatsoever. 

If im going to go to a full sized grip Im not going to be concealing it, so why wouldnt I just carry a 34 or 17? 

Rick

 Edited to add: the "fast out of the holster" benefit is complete bullshit.

I guess as I posted the mouth breather comment, I should answer this.

The difference between you and the mouth breathers, is that you looked at the gun objectively, and decided that it does not meet your current needs. A 19 works for you, and there is no need for you to buy this.

They, the mouth breathers, seem compelled to go on every internet forum they can find, and proceed to shout at the top of their voices that this is the worst gun Glock has ever made, that they have made a huge mistake in bringing it to market, that those arrogant Austrians never listen, that you can't CC it, yada, yada...

I have both 17 and 19 Gen3s. The 17 with finger grooves fits me perfectly. The 19 is too short. Having said that, I like the length of the 19 slide, and if you want a Roland Special, starting with a 19 slide means you end up with an overall length that is not a 17L. I went straight from the Gen1 to the Gen3, and prefer the finger grooves, so I will have to handle this at SHOT to see if I like it.

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Ive seen the "it makes a great Roland" point elsewhere.  That is true, however the fraction of owners who are going to put a comp on this gun cant be more than a few percent. 

Outside of it being the MHS submission (kind of..) the design of this gun doesn't make sense from a marketing standpoint. It will sell, but there are numerous other set ups that have much greater demand.  

Although I own every other Generation of Glock 19, Ill pass on this one. 

Rick

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I think this pistol would have been better received, if Glock had called it the 17S (for Short slide, as opposed to 17L). People might have understood its purpose a little better. I think people see 19, and immediately think "CC", and then immediately think, "I can't CC that", and then it's off to the races.

It also hasn't helped that this "appears" to have been release by "mistake". Glock would have saved a lot of angst, if they just explained that it is just their MHS submission sans manual/external safety. Although, if they were going to release their MHS gun, they should have done it as is.

I guess they still might, if there is enough demand. It's not the first time they have made a gun with an external safety.

Despite having owned and shot Glocks since 1988 (first 17 was serial number BH590), I would consider getting a Glock with an external safety, now that I have a bunch of Hi Powers too.

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Side question.  How did the ported C-series Glocks shoot?

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