Glock 17 frame/Glock 19 slide with threaded barrel???

Same way as the others....it's a whole striker-fired thingy thing. Just more muzzle flash....

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I never really liked them.

They were probably good for competition shooting, but the horns of fire that came out of them in low light concerned me, and I'm not sure they made enough real world difference to be worth it.

I would also not really want to try shooting them anywhere near to my body.

Of course, other peoples experiences may differ.

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jcustisredux posted:

Side question.  How did the ported C-series Glocks shoot?

Comp > ported barrel any day. 

Also,

regular Glock > C series.

I cant see a reason to even consider one. The KKM comp does a better job of keeping the muzzle down and doesnt have the risk of shaving a bullet or losing muzzle velocity. I honestly didnt notice a difference in recoil or muzzle rise between a 19 and 19C.

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jcustisredux posted:

Side question.  How did the ported C-series Glocks shoot?

I was issued a G22C for a few years, I didn't do anything but dirty the front site.
I know of at least one that was found to be shaving bullet jacket material, causing keyholes in the target.

Most consider ports to be inferior to a true compensator for recoil/muzzle flip reduction.



 On the thumb safety..

I like them. They offer no real draw back in my opinion. 

Not from mechanical/drop type safety type of thing. Although a lot of people are by passing many of the passive safeties/interlocks of the Glock or other striker fired guns. Shorter, lighter triggers, that some have been found to bypass the striker block, etc etc. 

I like the idea of a separate, conscious  action,  upon deciding to shoot, before actually pulling the trigger.

I like the idea of a layered system of "safety". While one can rely on internal safeties, partially cocked strikers(that have been shown to have enough stored energy to fire) and finger off the trigger..what happens when the gun is out,  but I;m not actively shooting..I'm moving, searching, etc...a slip, stumble, fall, step on a lego..can cause an involuntary action that results in an AD/ND/UD..whatever

 Paul Howe had noted this happen with MP5's run off safe, with wellt rained shooters. 

Speaking of which, we run long guns with thumb safeties with no complaints..in fact we scoff at the idea of running an M4 off safe.

I think for the US Army...it's fine. Just about every weapon in the inventory has a safety. The first weapon they are taught to shoot has a thumb safety. I think every weapon, where possible, should have a safety that works the same way. Grip the gun, and a lever is under the firing hand thumb, sweep down and the weapon is ready to fire. 

If I was the US Army, I would be on FN to figure out how to make  safety like that for the M249 and M240.

I was taught to shoot a handgun with a 1911, and shot them on my own almost exclusively. I first shot a glock in 89/90 time frame. I carried a Glock as a duty gun for for the better part of 17 years now..I get it....I carry and shoot guns with and with out thumb safeties...when and if possible..I go thumb safety.

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Regarding the 19X, it is the GLOCK equivalent of the Beretta Centurion.

The shortened slide on the full size frame (Commander size) equates to a very balanced firearm IMHO. 

I am excited to try one

 

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They are getting closer to a factory built copy of my carry gun for the last 5 or so years. Glock 26 Gen 3 with the grip built up to G19 length. Full size grip for control, short barrel is more comfortable IWB, and double recoil spring for slightly softer recoil. I had a spare built just in case, but it would have saved me the time and extra cash of having it built if it were a factory option.

thompsonkrav posted:

They are getting closer to a factory built copy of my carry gun for the last 5 or so years. Glock 26 Gen 3 with the grip built up to G19 length. Full size grip for control, short barrel is more comfortable IWB, and double recoil spring for slightly softer recoil. I had a spare built just in case, but it would have saved me the time and extra cash of having it built if it were a factory option.

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I like the idea of the "X" for the simple reason that I am short torso and clearing holster, unless it's rather low ride is a longer and slower effort for me with a G17 vs G19 or G26 sized pistol.
I've carried a G19 sized Glock for 22 or more years and the slightly longer grip and capacity of a G17 has little down side in my eyes. Slightly harder to conceal but that only is an issue half the time for me. 
I like the concept and as others have said, if one does not like it, simply don't get one.

 

I was just about set to buy a G17 or build 19 with a Comp... then I saw the 19x.  I wasn't sure at 1st. I made a circle from "WHY? What's the point?  to Maybe it's not all that bad  to I think this will be perfect for me"

I have a G19 and while I shoot it just fine and it's in my CC rotation (especially during the winter) the grip is a little short for my large hands. I wanted to do a G19 w/ a Comp (and maybe eventually throw a RMR on it) but never did because of the grip length.  Now with the 19x, I realized (that for me) this would be perfect for my build. Can still put the comp on it without it being too long and get the extra grip length of the 17. 

I will buy one. But it is funny to read all the other forums of people LOVING it or HATING it and why... 

Any word if they are going to offer the 19x under the Blue Label?

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ianq posted:

 

Any word if they are going to offer the 19x under the Blue Label?

I inquired at my local dealer today.  While they currently have one for rent and one for purchase at $595, I got wait-listed for blue label purchase.  I'm told its going to be in the $560 arena for blue label.  

While there, I shot the one they had for rental.  They stuck me with 115gr S&B and the gun shot really, really well.  I was pretty impressed.  For some reason, I've always grouped better with 19's but lost some step on speed/recoil control drills because I could never get complete grip purchase on the gun to control recoil to the fullest.  I shot the 19X almost as good as the USP Expert I brought with me.  I've never shot a Glock that well, but it's hard to tell how much of that is the gun, and how much I've matured as a shooter since my early days were I carried Glocks exclusively.  

10 rounds @ 10y slow fire (T-zoning hard!)

16x 2-round pairs at 15y  (POA at center of the heart)

8 rounds @ 25y slow fire (POA top half of the A zone to keep them out of the 15y group)

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thompsonkrav posted:

They are getting closer to a factory built copy of my carry gun for the last 5 or so years. Glock 26 Gen 3 with the grip built up to G19 length. Full size grip for control, short barrel is more comfortable IWB, and double recoil spring for slightly softer recoil. I had a spare built just in case, but it would have saved me the time and extra cash of having it built if it were a factory option.

This build is very interesting to me. Who did the work and how/what materials did they build up the grip with? How is the grip holding up? Does it feel as solid as a standard G-19? Did the build turn out like you wanted, or would you have changed anything?

I have a G27 that I think would benefit greatly from a longer grip.

Thanks 

"....it seemed like a good idea at the time."

Something I confirmed at SHOT, was that the G19 Gen4, G19 Gen5, G17 Gen5, G34 Gen5, and G19X all use the same locking block. Something they have never done before.

I was able to put the G17 Gen5 and G34 Gen5 barrels into all three of the above G19s.

There is also a new "Canadian" G19 Gen4 with a slightly longer barrel, to meet our laws regarding minimum barrel length.

I did not confirm whether the G26 was also compatible.

Regards.

Mark

Formerly known as ML

SRob posted:
thompsonkrav posted:

They are getting closer to a factory built copy of my carry gun for the last 5 or so years. Glock 26 Gen 3 with the grip built up to G19 length. Full size grip for control, short barrel is more comfortable IWB, and double recoil spring for slightly softer recoil. I had a spare built just in case, but it would have saved me the time and extra cash of having it built if it were a factory option.

This build is very interesting to me. Who did the work and how/what materials did they build up the grip with? How is the grip holding up? Does it feel as solid as a standard G-19? Did the build turn out like you wanted, or would you have changed anything?

I have a G27 that I think would benefit greatly from a longer grip.

Thanks 

This build was done for me 5-6 years ago by Joe King out of SW Missouri. The frame itself looks as good as the day he built it and has been my everyday carry since taking delivery. I have no idea what material he uses to extend the grip but it's strong and I've never seen any signs of cracks or separation. The only thing that could be an improvement on mine is the finish which is some sort of truck bed liner and can get slick with sweaty hands. I've installed Talon rubber grip tape to mine which resolved that issue. Before posting his info I cleared it with Joe and he says that he has alternative finishes since the time he built mine. He's a great guy and his email contact is below.

joe.king@kayconcrete.com

Well got 100 rounds of old wolf through my G19X and it ate it non issue.  I had An issue with my Glock 19gen4 with same ammo was giving me light primer strikes with same ammo.  I do like shooting the Glock 19x better than my VP9 but I have not been to a class with it yet.  

In November and December I was carrying a p2000 but have gone to a Glock 19gen4 with an undercut because it was comfortable.  Also I guess does not help I still have my Gen3 Glock 19 that I bought in 2005 and I keep going back to the Glock.  

 

Can you pull the striker spring out of your 19X and tell me what colour it is.

I believe the 19X is configured to use the harder NATO primers.

Glock make two extra power striker springs. One blue, one red. The blue one wasn't originally sold in North America, I believe because they were concerned with piercing primers.

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Mark

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MWL posted:

Can you pull the striker spring out of your 19X and tell me what colour it is.

I believe the 19X is configured to use the harder NATO primers.

Glock make two extra power striker springs. One blue, one red. The blue one wasn't originally sold in North America, I believe because they were concerned with piercing primers.

Regards.

Mark

They're white/no color in my guns

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pointblank4445 posted:
MWL posted:

Can you pull the striker spring out of your 19X and tell me what colour it is.

I believe the 19X is configured to use the harder NATO primers.

Glock make two extra power striker springs. One blue, one red. The blue one wasn't originally sold in North America, I believe because they were concerned with piercing primers.

Regards.

Mark

They're white/no color in my guns

In your 19Xs?

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Mark

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My bad, I wasn't sure you were talking about the 19X.

Silver spring normally indicates a standard spring, unless that changed recently. The aftermarket ones are also silver, even with different weights, but I doubt Glock are using them. I will have to try to confirm with Glock.

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Mark

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Mine is not colored. 

Im lookin for a NATO one for my gen4 because that was just odd.  I did Not see if it might have been a dead primer with the gen4 but it did shoot 15 rounds of Speer gold dot so it might have been the primer.  

I know ghost has an extra power one if Glock will not give me the NATO one if GA even knows about it.

I picked up a G19x last week and shot it last Saturday.  I am happy to say that the ejection is much stronger than the gen 3 19 I suffered with for three years.  No matter what parts I put in the gen 3, I could not get reliable, strong ejection.  I have a gen 5 19 now and the 19x and they have renewed my faith and enthusiasm for the Glock pistol.  Plus, accuracy for both is significantly improved.  Why do I say so?  My 2/3 -scale steel silhouette that was hard to hit reliably with the gen 3 at 50 yes is now a piece of cake with the gen 5 and the 19x.  Unscientific ?  Yep.  I feel more confident though.

ymmv

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Spacetaco posted:

Mine is not colored. 

Im lookin for a NATO one for my gen4 because that was just odd.  I did Not see if it might have been a dead primer with the gen4 but it did shoot 15 rounds of Speer gold dot so it might have been the primer.  

I know ghost has an extra power one if Glock will not give me the NATO one if GA even knows about it.

Here you go:

http://www.rockyourglock.com/p...FiringpinSprings.htm

Regards.

Mark

Formerly known as ML

Went and picked one up today.  For a gun the internet says is stupid and backward, they are selling fast.  Mine was the last one dealer had available, and I actually think they took care of me by pulling it from the "spoken for" pile, since none were on display and it took three different guys asking if they had any left.  I put off getting one simply because I'm used to $450 Glocks, not $600 ones (total with tax and background was $593) and because this is a toy, completely superfluous to any actual need.

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jto posted:

I picked up a G19x last week and shot it last Saturday.  I am happy to say that the ejection is much stronger than the gen 3 19 I suffered with for three years.  No matter what parts I put in the gen 3, I could not get reliable, strong ejection.  I have a gen 5 19 now and the 19x and they have renewed my faith and enthusiasm for the Glock pistol.  Plus, accuracy for both is significantly improved.  Why do I say so?  My 2/3 -scale steel silhouette that was hard to hit reliably with the gen 3 at 50 yes is now a piece of cake with the gen 5 and the 19x.  Unscientific ?  Yep.  I feel more confident though.

ymmv

JTO

 

 

I spent some time shooting one yesterday. In regards to ejection, Every 2-3 rounds a cartridge would comeback and literally bullseye my forehead. 

At first, a friend and myself thought it was a ricochet from the wall (typical indoor range shooting partitions), as im taller and it wasn’t happening to him. He recorded me firing another magazine and we realized it was not a ricochet. 

I was using Winchester 115gr 9mm Brass. He was using Magtech (?) I think.  Only happened within the first hundred rounds of mine, and promptly stopped. Have you had any similar issues?

 

 

I think the 19x is stupid...for my needs.  I think the Taurus Judge is stupid...for my needs.  If YOU aren't ME, buy what YOU want and/or need.  Period.  End of discussion.

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So your metric for a gun's desirability or utility is based only on your needs?  Surely not.  The 19X must be considered in the context of the MHS submission requirements.  That it was brought to market doesn't mean that it is the ultimate solution for everyone, or that it supersedes or nullifies anyone else's idea of what they like/want/need.  I bought it for multiple reasons, but it is not impractical by any stretch of the imagination.

The format (4"-ish barrel or "mid-sized" slide on a "full-sized" frame) is not unique to the 19X.  The  S&W Model 39, Colt Commander, Sig P228/M11, Beretta Centurion, S&W 5906, Browning Hi-Power Detective, CZ P01, H&K P7, FN FNX-9...I'm sure there are others...all have similar slide/grip proportions.  All these guns had appeal in the market, and some were designed for specific needs, so why is the 19X any different?  Not everyone needs/wants a concealed carry piece.  Half my pistols are too "big" to carry except in a duty/tactical rig.

After handling and shooting the 19X, I like it.  A lot.  Feels more balanced than a 17 and fits my hand better than a 19.  That's enough.  I hope they'll make a black one so I can carry it on duty.  Buy what you want or need, I'll do the same.  The discussion continues...

 

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TNYankee posted:

So your metric for a gun's desirability or utility is based only on your needs?  Surely not.  The 19X must be considered in the context of the MHS submission requirements.  That it was brought to market doesn't mean that it is the ultimate solution for everyone, or that it supersedes or nullifies anyone else's idea of what they like/want/need.  I bought it for multiple reasons, but it is not impractical by any stretch of the imagination.

The format (4"-ish barrel or "mid-sized" slide on a "full-sized" frame) is not unique to the 19X.  The  S&W Model 39, Colt Commander, Sig P228/M11, Beretta Centurion, S&W 5906, Browning Hi-Power Detective, CZ P01, H&K P7...I'm sure there are others...all have similar slide/grip proportions.  All these guns had appeal in the market, and some were designed for specific needs, so why is the 19X any different?  Not everyone needs/wants a concealed carry piece.  Half my pistols are too "big" to carry except in a duty/tactical rig.

After handling and shooting the 19X, I like it.  A lot.  Feels more balanced than a 17 and fits my hand better than a 19.  That's enough.  I hope they'll make a black one so I can carry it on duty.  Buy what you want or need, I'll do the same.  The discussion continues...

 

For me to spend my money on one, absolutely.  If it's my money, it's the only metric that counts.  And your last paragraph says the same thing.  It fits your metric. 

Objectively, I don't think it does anything better than a 17 sized gun, and is less concealable than a 19 if concealability is your purpose.  The weight difference is negligible, so it's a pass either way.  How it balances and feels in the hand is subjective and arguably, for every guy that likes it, there is another that subjectively does not.

The S&W M39 was designed in response to an Army Ordnance proposal in 1949 for something like an American P-38, i.e. a 9mm DA pistol.  By the way, the dimensions of my M39 and my Glock 17 are almost the same.  The Glock's barrel and slide are longer, but the overall length is almost the same, the M39 being slightly longer due to the beavertail.  Height, top to bottom, is the same. 

The Colt Commander was also in response to the 1949 proposal.  The commonality between the two guns was a barrel shorter than what was customary, and an aluminum frame vs. steel.  My Scandium framed "Commander" is roughly the same length as the M39, slightly longer due to the beavertail grip safety.  Barrel length is slightly longer than the M39.  Height and thickness are roughly the same. 

So what?  The Ordnance department said we want this and issued some guidelines.  Companies gave them what they wanted.  Neither was adopted.  Both were significantly lighter than the 1911A1 with its steel frame and shorter as well by about 3/4".  Some people like them, some don't.  Lot's of 1911 guys don't like the shorter, lighter Commander and stick with the full size gun.  Colt came out with the Combat Commander (steel frame) specifically as a middle ground.  It's a little lighter than the 5" 1911, but whether it balances better or not is subjective.  They came about not because the general public said we want a different gun, but because they built them and some people found reason enough to like it.

Which takes us back to my point.  There is objectively no benefit to the 19x over a 17.   The 1/2" shorter slide and barrel doesn't contribute to concealability.  Grip size is of course, the same.  Objectively, it doesn't conceal as well as a 19.  Subjectively, you like the way it looks, shoots and feels.  I don't care for the looks and balance, and I didn't find it shot any differently than a 17.  So subjectively, for me, there is no reason to buy one.  Since I don't tell others what to like, or buy with their money, I wish you much joy and pleasure with your purchase.

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My ask was if every gun you have purchased was strictly purchased for a specific need? Versus want, because most of mine I didn’t “need.” Some were just to scratch an itch. You seemed to be saying you limit purchasing a gun to it having to fit a need. I was surprised, as most firearms needs can be handled with one or two guns, and I suspect you have more than that.

Counting a beaver tail in length it a bit pedantic and doesn’t change the fact that 4” barrels on full-length frames are a thing. How a gun feels is entirely objective, so your point is taken, but that is my point as well. After all, we like what we like.

Realistically, there are few subjective reasons to pick one quality striker-fired pistol over another these days.  The 19X would work well as a duty carry pistol for me because it fits my entire 2XL hand and the 1/2 less in front would carry better in duty holsters, as it would jam less into my hip and the car seat when seated.

In any case, also wasn’t telling anyone what to buy, or like. I was just discussing. 

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I think I read more into your words than was intended.  Yes, I buy guns I want that I don't need.  I've been divorced long enough that I've grown accustomed to getting what I want, when I want (if I can afford it at the time) without having to justify it to anyone else as a need.  You are correct, I moved past need awhile ago so we are purely in the subjective category vs. objective.

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I NEED coffee.

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Cool.  I get it.

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