Glock 43

pointblank4445 posted:

Qual'd the other day.   IL state mandated 30-round qual from 5y, 7y, 15y.  I used 147gr Ranger for grins as I was advised not to use a +P load.  Shot most of it with TangoDown/Vickers +2 base plate equipped mags.  Ran like a sewing machine...

Not a fan of Glocks...not a fan of tiny guns, but dang if this one isn't actually useful.  I posted my J-Frame for sale later that night.

Don't you love our state qual? It tests so much...
Where at in IL are you? 

3ACR Scout: I've had zero issues running the Vickers +2 mags and the springs they come with. I found the cost of the TT base plates just too ridiculous.  I run the Vickers on 3 of my 4 mags for the G43 with the fourth being a standard length one for extra conceal-ability. A couple people have ran my mags and ended up buying their own vickers extensions and they've found no issues with theirs either. Well worth trying if you haven't yet and maybe selling the TT ones. $60 for a 8 round mag is downright asinine. 

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shadow93 posted:
pointblank4445 posted:

Qual'd the other day.   IL state mandated 30-round qual from 5y, 7y, 15y.  I used 147gr Ranger for grins as I was advised not to use a +P load.  Shot most of it with TangoDown/Vickers +2 base plate equipped mags.  Ran like a sewing machine...

Not a fan of Glocks...not a fan of tiny guns, but dang if this one isn't actually useful.  I posted my J-Frame for sale later that night.

Don't you love our state qual? It tests so much...
Where at in IL are you? 

 

The no-man's land between Bloomington and Champaign.

I always say a little bit of my soul dies every time I have to eat up our precious range time with such a waste of ammo.  Although it is fun if you run it in reverse start at 25y, run up to 15 get your six, run up to 7 get your shots, run up to 5 get your shots all in one sequence and see how long it takes you.  You can knock that thing out in under 30 seconds.

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

3ACR_Scout posted:

I took the G43 to the range again today and shot 50 rounds of 147gr HST and 50 rounds of 147gr G2 Gold Dots.  I had one malfunction with the HSTs, involved in the Taran-equipped magazine.

I also had one malfunction with the G2s, again involving the Taran +1 mag.

I hope this feedback is useful to someone. I'm not sure if I'm the only person seeing these kinds of issues with mag extensions. I think I've seen a few reported on M4C, but lots of other people seem to report that their extensions all work flawlessly. 

Dave

You guys are starting to worry me with these feed failures from the Taran +1, since it's the one I keep in the gun.   Have you experienced failures with it from FMJ, too, or just JHPs?  I would order a +10% spring, but I have a feeling the TT plate is going to be a PITA to take off.  Again, the Vickers +2 worked fine for me, as well.

As far as your earlier post about HSTs, they were the only load I saw that offered somewhat reliable expansion and penetration from a short barrel across all of the loadings.  For me, my follow ups are much quicker with standard pressure loads out of gun this small.  However, regular Gold Dot loads (not short barrel) do not seem to do well out of shorter barrels in many calibers, and other than HSTs and Ranger 147s, I'm not aware of any other decent standard pressure loads from a short barrel.    Others will say that 147 does fine from a short barrel, but I'd rather gain a little velocity with the 124s.

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I have the Taran Tactical +1's on my mags and have put 245 rounds through without any issues.

Most of that has been 115g ball ammo but I did put some 147 HSTs through it to make sure they fed ok.

I know it is a sample of one and the round count is low but injuries have kept me away from the range this year.

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shadow93 posted:

3ACR Scout: I've had zero issues running the Vickers +2 mags and the springs they come with. I found the cost of the TT base plates just too ridiculous.  I run the Vickers on 3 of my 4 mags for the G43 with the fourth being a standard length one for extra conceal-ability. A couple people have ran my mags and ended up buying their own vickers extensions and they've found no issues with theirs either. Well worth trying if you haven't yet and maybe selling the TT ones. $60 for a 8 round mag is downright asinine. 

I have three mags equipped with Vickers +2 extensions that have been almost flawless. One would only accept 7 rounds for some reason on the first magazine I installed it on, so I swapped it to another mag, and it started working fine. They're a great product, but I carry them as reloads with a Pearce +1 in the pistol just for the shorter length. I bought the single Taran +1 just out of curiosity because I saw people talking about them like they were the best thing since polymer framed pistols. I found it a little cheaper on Amazon ($28 with free shipping), so I figured I'd test it. I do like the length - I feel like the thicker baseplate is just what Glock should have done to get 7 in the factory mag. Now that I have the Taran baseplate, I've been fiddling with ways to make it work smoothly.

Sundance: The Taran mag functions perfectly with ball ammo. I put 50 rounds of Remington 115gr UMC through it yesterday, and I've used it for other brands of FMJ with no issues. If you needed to for some reason, it's easy to remove. Just loosen the locking screw with an Allen key, push the little silver pin down, and squeeze the mag sides to slide the baseplate off. The spring gets kind of hung up though, since there's no floor Plate to push it up likenon a regular mag.

Thanks for the feedback on the short barrel performance  I'll probably order some more HSTs and continue to test them to make sure they work reliably in my pistol.

Dave

Has anybody gone the route of using a threaded barrel and putting on a tbrci micro comp on the 43?  It would seem to kind of defeat the purpose of having a small single stack gun, but I'm just curious if anybody has experience with it? Especially if the 43 is able to be milled for an RMR, which I'm not even sure it can be due to width....

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Bought a TBRCI comp, but it has not been delivered yet. I have one of there comps on a 19 and like it and want to see what it does on the 43. 

As far as a RMR I don’t think you can mill it. The slide is not as wide as the base of the RMR. All of the 43’s I have seen with a RMR use the Dueck Defense RBU.

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

lpd5408 posted:

Bought a TBRCI comp, but it has not been delivered yet. I have one of there comps on a 19 and like it and want to see what it does on the 43. 

As far as a RMR I don’t think you can mill it. The slide is not as wide as the base of the RMR. All of the 43’s I have seen with a RMR use the Dueck Defense RBU.

Look forward to hearing what you have to say.  How do you plan on carrying it?

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I'll bring all of my shoes and my glasses....so I have them 

I have not bought one but I am told the Bawidaman Gotham for the G43 will work with both a comp and a RMR 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

I decided to tinker with my G43 again this week. A couple weeks ago, I finally caught up with the times and did a quick polishing job on the trigger bar, disconnector,  etc. on this pistol and a G19. I used a Dremel and soft polishing wheel with some Mother's polish. The 19 came out fine, but I noticed that the G43 trigger bar seemed to have lost some of the plating at some point where it hits the firing pin safety. I don't think it was the polishing, but that was when I first noticed it (this pistol has 1,600 rounds through it):

I had been wanting to attempt to swap the serrated factory trigger out for a smooth one, like I've done with my other Glocks, and I used this issue with the plating as justification to jump into it. The G43 trigger isn't as easy to swap because its trigger bar is a different length than the next closest one with a smooth trigger, the G42. I ordered separate G42 and G43 trigger assemblies and removed the plastic trigger shoe from the G42 trigger bar by driving the pin through the opposite side of the trigger with a thin steel punch. After removing the serrated G43 trigger from the new bar, I installed the smooth G42 trigger on the G43 bar and pushed the pin back in until it was flush. Following a tip I read on another forum, I used JB Weld to fill the hole on the other side of the trigger where I had driven the pin through. I let it cure for 24 hours, and then I used a hobby chisel and fine sand paper to smooth down the hardened blob of JB Weld. The stuff dries with a dark gray color that stood out a little, so I used a black Sharpie marker to darken it so it blends in with the rest of the trigger pretty well.

Here's the new smooth trigger on my G43:

You can see the round smudge where I smoothed and blackened the JB Weld - it shows up better in this photo than in person:

I'm really not a fan of the serrated trigger, and this was a fun, quick project that cost me about $25 for the extra G42 and G43 trigger assemblies. I could have saved half of that by using the original G43 trigger bar, but the chipped plating would have bugged me.

Hopefully I'll have a chance to get to the range tomorrow and test it out.

Dave

Just got the Zev version.  Great pistol. 

My  mags all resist dropping free.  I think I have located the problem as being the front lip of the mad, just under the nose of the top bullet in the column.  I will soon try some careful filing to remove the plastic (and maybe steel) which is sticking out a bit.

Anybody else have mags which don't want to eject all the way?  And apologies if it was mentioned pages back, I just didn't read them all.

I’ve found that I have to hold the mag release down just a little bit longer than on a full size pistol to get the mags to drop free. If you just press it and release, they drop part way and then get caught by the friction of the mag release. I’ve just gotten used to depressing it for a split second longer. I think the smaller, lighter mags don’t have the mass to overcome the resistance of the mag release like a full size pistol. Or are you finding that they don’t drop free even if you hold down the mag release?

All of them built up a plastic burr just at the top front face, right under the bullet tip of the top cartridge.  A few minutes with a small file took away the burrs and now they just drop right out.  I think the burrs came from being pushed past the mag latch, so I will keep an eye on them in case the filing needs to be repeated.

For those of you that have been running the G43 for awhile, are you finding that it has the same level of reliability as the G26?

How reliable has the G43 been when firing with less than optimal grip or stance?  Such as weak handed shooting or supine positions.

I ran a borrowed G43 for about 150 rounds on a static range and was very impressed, but am hesitant to replace my Colt Detective or S&W 642 with it.

Thank you for the input.

Tony

I have a G43 with 3720 rounds. It has never malfunctioned . Likewise the G26 that I just turned in had 3843 rounds. It also never malfunctioned. I find the G43 as easy to shoot and a lot easier to carry. That's all I can add. I think they are both reliable, it is just user preference at this point.

Oct. 26, 2006/south central Indiana

I know everyone's hand size and grip will vary, but overall have any of you guys noticed it having sharper recoil than say a Shield, LC9 or other single stack sub-compact? I've seen different reviews stating it versus a Shield, the latter seems to shoot softer. I was thinking maybe this was due to it being single stack/thinner and still having the Glock curve/bump. I'm wondering if a grip reduction would help to give it a straighter cant?

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montgomerygentryFan posted:

I know everyone's hand size and grip will vary, but overall have any of you guys noticed it having sharper recoil than say a Shield, LC9 or other single stack sub-compact? I've seen different reviews stating it versus a Shield, the latter seems to shoot softer. I was thinking maybe this was due to it being single stack/thinner and still having the Glock curve/bump. I'm wondering if a grip reduction would help to give it a straighter cant?

Before buying I went to a range and rented both the Shield and a 43. I found the Shield to have a sharper recoil.

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Kev, thanks for the info. I was eyeing getting it versus the Shield. I'm all for what works, but I was hoping to lean with something that I'm used to keep with consistency (like a lot of us I'm vested with Glocks already). I haven't gotten around to getting to compare both side by side yet, but I'm glad to hear someone saying in support of it.

Joined: 4 April 2005                Location: South Bay Armpit

I acquired a Shield early on. Mine has probably 700-800 through it. I found the difference between the 43 negligible,  though several 43 shooting coworkers did think the Shield had more recoil, while several others thought the exact opposite...

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Working at the store from time to time, I've sold a fair number of G43s and Shields.  Don't take anyone's word for one being better, more comfortable, more accurate, less recoil, etc.  EVERYONE's experience is individual and anecdotal.  What that means is that you have to shoot both to decide which one fits you better.  Both are accurate, both are reliable, they are virtually the same size with regards to dimensions and weight, but they feel completely different in the hand.  That is why you have to try them.  Personally, I like the Shield over the G43.  I thought the G43 had sharper recoil.  It also holds one less round than the Shield with the Shield's smaller, 7 rd mag and 2 rds less when compared to the longer 8rd Shield mag.  The Glock costs about $100-125 more.  And none of that really matters.  As I've told people every time, get the one that feels and shoots right.  If you pick it just for price and really like the other one, it will eat at you.

As far as operation goes, the Shield and Glock run the same, so it really doesn't make a difference.

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Antonius posted:

For those of you that have been running the G43 for awhile, are you finding that it has the same level of reliability as the G26?

How reliable has the G43 been when firing with less than optimal grip or stance?  Such as weak handed shooting or supine positions.

I ran a borrowed G43 for about 150 rounds on a static range and was very impressed, but am hesitant to replace my Colt Detective or S&W 642 with it.

Thank you for the input.

Tony

Shield owner with about 700 rounds through it. It's cycled everything I've put in it from crappy reloads to hsts and golden sabers. 

I was in the same boat as you - years ago I sold my j frame to a co worker and bought a cm9 with the money. It had a decent trigger but everything else about it was a no-go for me.  A trip back to kahr didn't fix the reliability issues so I traded it to a friend for an aim point, bought my j frame back from the co worker and drove on with the revolver.

In another attempt to skin the cat, I bought the shield from PSA when they had those insane deals last year and it's been a great purchase. In my opinion, other than the niche of pocket carry, the shield does everything I ask it, in a better way than the j frame. My revolver hasn't been out of the safe since I bought the shield and ensured its reliability. 

I carried a g27 as a back up on duty for 15 years. It was reliable and I loved the fact that it took g22 and 23 mags. The older I got, the less fun it was to shoot, and I definetly felt it after a day at the range. No problems like that with the shield, although that could be a product of 9 v 40, rather than the platform. 

After being a glock shooter for so long, the shields trigger took some getting used to and it's still a learning process. That's the only trouble I've had with it. 

i know you asked about a g43, but I consider the shield as essentially the same animal. 

These are just my observations and as always, ymmv. If you pocket carry the majority of the time then the g43 might not be for you. Other than that, I don't think you'll be disappointed in the g43.

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MrMurphy posted:

I acquired a Shield early on. Mine has probably 700-800 through it. I found the difference between the 43 negligible,  though several 43 shooting coworkers did think the Shield had more recoil, while several others thought the exact opposite...

Part of the problem I think stems from the fact both are sub compacts (short barrel/more recoil for both) and single-stack which makes handling it (even with smaller hands) and maintaining a secure grip tricky unless you're using +round magazines or at the very minimum extended base plates. I noticed the same issue with my 26 the first time I bought it. Despite being a double-stack, it just took time getting used to since you're missing that real estate you'd have with a 17 or 19.

I guess it really comes down to preference and not a definitive "good or bad". I always try to avoid trying to categorize things like that. I'm definitely not a X-brand versus everything else. But since sub compacts are a specific niche it really boils down to user preference in this  case, both are good products. Like you I've heard positives for both so, but realistically I just need to get my ass to a range to compare side-by-side so I can actually figure out which suits me better. Thanks guys for the input.

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C Walley posted:

Does anyone pocket carry their G43?  I pocket carry my G26, and am wondering if the G43 does better in this role enough to justify getting one.

Yes, and yes.  The difference is amazing.  Blue Force Gear pocket holster and the 43 disappear. 

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C Walley posted:

Does anyone pocket carry their G43?  I pocket carry my G26, and am wondering if the G43 does better in this role enough to justify getting one.

Being thinner than a 26 I would think it’s easier to pocket carry the 43.

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Hush posted:
C Walley posted:

Does anyone pocket carry their G43?  I pocket carry my G26, and am wondering if the G43 does better in this role enough to justify getting one.

Yes, and yes.  The difference is amazing.  Blue Force Gear pocket holster and the 43 disappear. 

Thank 'ya.

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