Kaltesherz,

I would hold off on drifting those sights or replacing anything for a bit. I Got my G48 on Tuesday and was on the range with it on Wednesday and This is the results of my shooting. Starting with shots to the A zone in the chest at seven yards I noticed things being low left also and had one of my coworkers shoot the upper left diamond. At first he was extremely low left but as he became more deliberate in his shooting the shots migrated north and he was able to put them in the inner white diamond. He then began to shoot the Head A zone and was doing fine until he really tried to run it fast and that's when the ear shot and outside the neck occurred.

I continued with me unscientific shooting from the 7 back to 25 and saw that I continued shooting the pistol to the left and a bit low until I got back to the 25 yard line and began to shoot low right on target, I could understand the low as I have a tendency to see more of the target in my sight picture than I should but shooting right was the issue. You can see that five of my ten rounds went right at 25 yards into the B zone and I flat out slapped the trigger and put one into the C Zone.

So everything is going left and a touch low except in deliberate fire. I then came back to the seven yard line and fired 30 more rounds as deliberately as I could at the left diamond. Because it's so slim compared to everything else I shoot I have found that my trigger finger needs to be to the first knuckle crease in order for me to be accurate.

So low/left is a thing and I'm going to be shooting and carrying this pistol a lot before I'm changing out the stock sights. I was using the crappy stock sights and the ammo was Speer 100 grain frangible.

BTW, as I needed a retention holster for the range I ran a Safariland level two for a G19 and even though it rattles around a bit it worked fine. I'm running a Survival Systems IWB for concealed carry and my total of about four hours carrying like it so far.

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And because R Lee Ermy isn't around to teach me right from left any longer I meant to say my coworker shot the RIGHT diamond initially . No rounds went on the LEFT diamond until I began to shoot deliberate shots at the end of the session at seven yards... 

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For what it's worth, I read a post on AR15.com where the poster had successfully modified a Mec-Gar CZ-75 compact magazine.  The floor plate didn't look so good, and it wouldn't lock back on empty mag, but it fed and fired.  So yesterday, I decided to try it myself in the store.  Using a standard CZ-75 magazine and some dummy rounds, I held the magazine in place and manually cycled the slide.  It fed and ejected, but didn't lock the slide back.  I did it again using a Beretta 92 magazine and it was even better.  The fit was much tighter, as in no wobble, and it did lock back without needing a new follower.  I'll keep my eyes open for anyone actually cutting a new mag catch notch and see how that works.  Mec-Gar is making a 15rd mag for the Ber 92 compact, so that might work with just a mag catch notch modification.

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Oh man, as a lover of odd guns (and accidental expert on Star pistols) I have encountered a lot of mag modifications. Metal double column pistol mags in 9 or 40 are pretty much all the same size, and present the round at the same angle, so it's pretty easy to cut a new notch to get it to lock right. Careful measuring and slow cutting is the name of the game. 

Slide lock can be easy or hard. Usually, it's just a matter of figuring out what the actuator is, and blocking it up to interact properly. Thin plastic sheet as a top to avoid wear, and epoxy or model putty to build up and secure it. 

S&W 59xx mags are a good host, fit into a lot of other guns, and are pretty cheap as they were a very common gun. Biggest dimensional change most of these have is not overall size, but radius; the front can be less and more square. This can bind up the magwell or other stuff like the drawbar so is worth looking at as well. 

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And when anybody finds the blueprint for the cut location for the mag catch to convert Beretta 92 Mags for use in the G48 please post it. I really want to give this a try for range magazines.

And because I now have a use for all those checkmate magazines...

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shoobe01 posted:

Oh man, as a lover of odd guns (and accidental expert on Star pistols) I have encountered a lot of mag modifications. Metal double column pistol mags in 9 or 40 are pretty much all the same size, and present the round at the same angle, so it's pretty easy to cut a new notch to get it to lock right. Careful measuring and slow cutting is the name of the game. 

Slide lock can be easy or hard. Usually, it's just a matter of figuring out what the actuator is, and blocking it up to interact properly. Thin plastic sheet as a top to avoid wear, and epoxy or model putty to build up and secure it. 

S&W 59xx mags are a good host, fit into a lot of other guns, and are pretty cheap as they were a very common gun. Biggest dimensional change most of these have is not overall size, but radius; the front can be less and more square. This can bind up the magwell or other stuff like the drawbar so is worth looking at as well. 

Carefully measure twice, cut once. 

I was also thinking the old Smith mags, and the 469/6904 12 rounders, as well. 

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Also of note, .40 mags usually work for 9mm pistols, discovered back in the day when "hi caps" were banned (my favorite: cheap and easy to find 10 round .40 Firestar plus mags... but there is no .40 Firestar plus. They do fit 13 rounds 9mm just fine though... tricky MecGar!). 

Anyway, they present the round a BIT higher than the 9mm mags. If anyone is playing hard with these sorts of conversions, and feels they are finding odd feeding from ramp angles with some rounds, try a .40 mag before you tweak feedlips, and see if it allows more of a straightline feed.

One note on steel mags in plastic guns: It will often wear down the mag latch, to catastrophic failure (either a groove that makes it lock up, or a worn edge that makes it not hold mags at all). At least be very careful to stone the cut smooth and break the corners. Inspect the mag latch periodically and if wearing, cut it out or get a metal aftermarket one. 

If anyone wants to go crazier: I have mixed followers. G21 followers in a Megastar .45 was one. Extra round, integrates with the glock springs for easier availability, etc. No stoppages. Lesson is: mags are pretty constrained in size, a lot of stuff will interchange. Try it, anything might work. 

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I hate You guys went into a local shop after selling some gear i did Not need and they had a 43x with truglo fiber/night sights for $400 otd price and a Glock 48 with Ameriglo three dot nights sights for $450 otd.  I do Not know if this will replace my Walther PPS one for some places but the Walther PPS with 8 round mag and Glock 43x is the same size.   Glock 48 is longer of course. 

Using .40S&W magazines to hold 13 rounds of 9mm is very popular up here in Canada, with our 10 round magazine limits, as long as the magazine is not modified in any way.

People seem to have mixed results, and as no one who is subject to magazine limits is allowed to carry anyway, it is just for range use.

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I tried using modified Beretta mags in my G48. I apparently didn't smooth things out enough on the magazine body and I am now sporting a Glock Store extended magazine catch because of it. Yeah, I don't think I'd try this again on my own pistol.

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MWL posted:

Using .40S&W magazines to hold 13 rounds of 9mm is very popular up here in Canada, with our 10 round magazine limits, as long as the magazine is not modified in any way.

People seem to have mixed results, and as no one who is subject to magazine limits is allowed to carry anyway, it is just for range use.

Regards.

Mark

Back when I bought my BHP, I went looking for spare mags.  Ken at the Firing Line said he didn't have any, but, pointed out he had .40 mags for BHP and that I could get away with an extra round in the mag.  Didn't make much difference but made me giggle like an evil genius thinking, in my own little way, that I was giving the gubmint the bird.

AR pistol mags are popular as we use them in our rifles and 10 vice 5 rds per mag on the range.

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 For y'all who carry one of these, is there 2 cents worth of practical carrying and shooting difference between the 43, 43X and 48, considering their different grip and barrel lengths? I realize that magazine capacity is an issue.

For example, for concealment, the grip length is usually the worst offender. That would mean that (other things being equal) the 43 has the nod for concealment. In theory, a 43 with a +2 or +3 base pad should print less than a 43X.  I wear medium gloves, so a longer grip isn't a must-have for me. Does better control from a long grip outweigh the concealment advantage of a shorter grip?

Same idea with barrel length. It doesn't really affect concealment, so the 48 should have an advantage with sight radius and muzzle velocity. Thoughts?

As I said, do any of these paper differences make a practical difference in how they carry and shoot?

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Well I like the 43x with the mix of concealability and shootability, I could not shoot the Glock 43 well but the 43x I can and I think it’s the grip of the 43x that helps.  I shoot the Beretta Nano and Walther PPS M1 better than the Glock 43 that I traded for another Walther PPS.

Spacetaco posted:

Well I like the 43x with the mix of concealability and shootability, I could not shoot the Glock 43 well but the 43x I can and I think it’s the grip of the 43x that helps.  I shoot the Beretta Nano and Walther PPS M1 better than the Glock 43 that I traded for another Walther PPS.

I'm with ya on the Glock 43. Shot it well, just couldn't get the right grip. 

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Just got a second 43x while I was looking at a Glock 19.  I decided I have been carrying a Walther PPS or my G43x IWB most days right now that I had to get a second.  Then I traded a pistol I had not shot in 4 years for a Glock 48.  I think I am good on pistols.  I really see no need to go away from a Glock 19, Glock 43x/48, or Walther PPS.  I prefer the G43x but the PPS with 6 round mag makes for a eaiser gun to concel.  The nano is even smaller. 

Spacetaco posted:

Just got a second 43x while I was looking at a Glock 19.  I decided I have been carrying a Walther PPS or my G43x IWB most days right now that I had to get a second.  Then I traded a pistol I had not shot in 4 years for a Glock 48.  I think I am good on pistols.  I really see no need to go away from a Glock 19, Glock 43x/48, or Walther PPS.  I prefer the G43x but the PPS with 6 round mag makes for a eaiser gun to concel.  The nano is even smaller. 

I think for someone who is just getting into the small Glocks, a G43 and G48 would provide the flexibility to cover all those bases since you have 4 possible combinations just by swapping the slides.  And when the 15rd flush fit mags for the 43x and 48 hit the market, assuming they are reliable, the G19 market will take somewhat of a hit.

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FYI, Glock did listen to people and now all black models are coming from the factory.  No more silver slides if you don't want them!

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Spacetaco posted:

Does anyone find they are carrying a 43X or 48 more than a Glock 19 or 26?  Just asking because I fund myself grabing my 43X when I leave the house more and more.  Also it runs my cheapo wolf ammo I have.

Yep, I've been carrying my 48 pretty much exclusively since I got it- but I plan on switching back to my RMR 19 when it cools off again.

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kaltesherz posted:
Spacetaco posted:

Does anyone find they are carrying a 43X or 48 more than a Glock 19 or 26?  Just asking because I fund myself grabing my 43X when I leave the house more and more.  Also it runs my cheapo wolf ammo I have.

Yep, I've been carrying my 48 pretty much exclusively since I got it- but I plan on switching back to my RMR 19 when it cools off again.

And that's the evidence of a thinking man who adapts to the seasons and their limitations or lack thereof.  In a non-restrictive locale (no 10rd limitations or minimum barrel lengths), the G48 (and G43x) are warm weather choices based upon body shape, or clothing requirements so you don't stick out like a sore thumb.  If everyone else is wearing T-shirts, shorts and sandals, a jacket is going to be not only uncomfortable, but visually conspicuous.  But when it cools down and clothing increases, a slightly larger gun becomes preferable for recoil control, magazine capacity, etc.  Tools in the toolbox v. a multi-tool that does most, but not as well as a "tool box".

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FYI, there is a railed version that is only available in Europe and Africa.

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200 rounds, mix of GECO 124gr FML and Federal 147gr- 0 malfunctions.

124gr FML. The choice of masochists around the world. 

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If the 48 rail makes it here I may be in. 

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I got issued a 48 about two weeks ago for both my daily carry and to eval as a possible duty gun for people with rather small hands.  Have close to 1000 rounds through it, both duty Federal 147 and Speer 115 ball with zero issues.  

We issue a SF X300u, but a duty light was not an option for the 48 (not to mention holsters) so I'd really like to see this rail.

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Now a rail too? Jesus... why wouldn't they have done the black slide and rail FROM THE GODDAMN START?

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You gotta hand it to Glock....they definitely figured out the whole Marketing thing.  42 ->43 ->43X/48 (silver)->43X/48 (black)->43X/48 (w/rail) -> ????.

Every time something new has come out, it's just enough of something "new", that it stirs the pot.  First the 42 came out...."well, it's a .380, but it's a Glock and concealable, so I'll take it".  Then the 43 came out..."I already have the 42, but this is 9mm, so I've got to have one".  Then the 43X came out...…"I know I already have the 43, but this is 4 rounds MORE, and it's a long grip, so I've GOT to have one" (never mind the +3/+4 grip extensions).  Then the 48 came out (in SILVER)....."I know I've already got the 43 AND 43X, but this is a 4 inch barrel, better for accuracy (and it's the 10 rnd capacity), so I've GOT to have one (even though I HATE the "color")".  Now the 43X and 48 have come out in Black....."I HATED the Silver slide, so I've GOT to get a Black one....(even though it's probably cheaper and makes more sense just to take my silver one and get it ceracoated)".  

NEXT will be the 43X/48 with a RAIL.....then NEXT will probably be a RDS capable.....and on and on.  Meanwhile, besides the pistols, then there's the magazines (42, 43, 43X/48) and the holsters and whatever additional extras you buy for them.  It IS getting a bit annoying for sure.

BUT.....can anyone honestly say that the 48 (10rnd single stack 9mm with 4" barrel) is not VASTLY superior to the initial 42 (6rnd single stack .380 with 3+" barrel)??  In the end, they ARE improving as they go along.  

What IS frustrating is.....if you looked back at what people ASKED for in the first place, it's probably the 48 or maybe the 43X......in BLACK.   Do the 42 and 43 fill a niche, in strict gun law states like CALI, that the 43X/48 couldn't (like stupid low magazine capacity)?

Yep, Glock definitely preyed on Americans desire to either 1) own one of the "set" 2) or have the latest and greatest.  The old idea of "Be careful not of the man with many guns; but the man with ONE gun, that knows how to RUN it" seems to be lost on some.

Full disclosure, YES, I have a 42, 43, 19 and 17....and would LOVE a 19X/45, 43X/48 and when the railed/RDS versions come out, I'll take those too.   Unfortunately/Luckily (depending on your POV), I don't have the disposable income to do that.  So I'll get TTI +3 extensions for the 43 and be happy (I can buy quite a few extensions for the price of a 43X).


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Rich275 posted:

I got issued a 48 about two weeks ago for both my daily carry and to eval as a possible duty gun for people with rather small hands.  Have close to 1000 rounds through it, both duty Federal 147 and Speer 115 ball with zero issues.  

We issue a SF X300u, but a duty light was not an option for the 48 (not to mention holsters) so I'd really like to see this rail.

For anyone who is using one for a duty handgun:

What sort of process did you use?  Is it approved for anyone, or certain assignments?  What sort of holster, carry or magazine requirements do you have in place for the new crop of single stacks?

I'm in the process of "soft launching" this for admin types and Detectives.

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That’ll be a great gun for shooters with small hands. 

BUT I have not found anybody making a duty holster for it yet. 

I only have about 250 rounds  through mine so far but I like it, 

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Re the progression of models, how they introduce things is a marketing standard. 

Introduce something attention getting but not exactly what everyone wants. They’ll still buy the new thing anyway. Then a year or so later release that thing with the upgrade everyone wants and they will buy it again. 

Ford did this with the Mustang in 2007. Went to that modernized retro look. But in v6. Year or so later, here comes the 5.0 that everyone wanted to begin with. It wasn’t by accident. 

Want to by a car with a Hemi engine?  First car with one was the Dodge Magnum, not the Charger. 

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There are no specific duty holsters that I could find, as I don't think that anyone envisioned the gun for duty use.  Safariland does list a belt mounted holster with an ALS, add the thumb switch thing and that meets my dept's requirements.  I really dislike that vs. the ALS/SLS, but we already approve it for other guns.

The range master and I can approve any gun for new hires if the G17 doesn't work for them, we're trying to lay the ground work for when we do and allowing anyone to shoot the gun.  

Our Admin/dics carry either the G17 of G19 they were issued or something else they bought if approved. 

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ggammell posted:

 

Want to by a car with a Hemi engine?  First car with one was the Dodge Magnum, not the Charger. 

Are you referring to modern Hemi's,  because Chrysler had a hemi...the Firepower back in 1951.  I'm not sure if in 1951 Dodge, Chrysler, and Plymouth were the Mopar conglomerate or still independent entities.  Firepower was the Gen 1. Gen 2 being the 426 Hemi and Gen 3 being the more modern versions found in 2003 and newer like the Mitsubishi 2.6L engine, and modern Dodge offerings or the RAM 1500 Hemi truck. That being said, I understand and agree with your marketing comments. 

O.T drift apologies.

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