So, I've been intrigued by the SD9/40 since they first came out, with the black slide and tritium front sight. The cost was to close to the LE price of an M&P so I never followed thru.

 Then there was the stigma of the sigma, of which many said they were the same gun, or close.

 

 A few months back, I was able to buy a "used" one for $150...it was un-fired and still in the plastic bag, in the factory box.

 It is the newer style, that lacks the black finish on the slide and the tritium front sight.

 

 

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 I have only handled a Sigma once, around 2000, I recall the grip feeling good, but the trigger was extremely heavy. So, I can not speak to any differences between the two. A search of the "errornet" reveals the trigger system is different, and the have received some good reviews from those that actually own them. Including one 2K round challenge popular on another pistol oriented forum.

 

 Out of the box, size wise it compare favorably with a G19

 

 

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 The trigger shoe is curved and hinged like an M&P, and I believe the Apex part can be fitted.

 I do not have a trigger scale, but the out of the box weight compared to an unbroken/worn in "+" connector in a formerly issued G22. I think the factory lists it at 6.5#. 

 I'm also not one to talk about smooth, icicle like breaks or carrot like, creep, etc...it's heavy or light. 

 It included two 16rd mags, in 9mm, that are Sigma mags with a different floorplate. However the sigma mags lock in place and work.

 The front sight is steel w/ a white dot, the rear is plastic with dots. The plastic "seems" higher quality then the plastic used on the Glock sights.

 There are front cocking serrations

 There are "Stippled" finger pads for the trigger finger, and off hand thumb.

 

 I do not have any pics of targets..or I do they just aren't labeled....but, shooting "freestyle" two hands at 25yds on a NRA B8, I was able to shoot into the high 80's low 90's for 10rds. The heavy trigger was detrimental in the respect.(for comparison, I can shoot my M&P40 w/ apex kit and KKM barrel, tuned 1911s, a G22 w "-' connector and Barsto barrel...into the high 90's this way.)

 Additionally, while the grip has some texture, it really was not enough for the heat of a SC summer. So, I was able to trim some TruGrip for G19 to fit well enough, to help in that regard.

 Apex sells a simple kit, which is just different striker, striker block and trigger return springs. After reading about some failure to fire with the Apex striker spring, I chose to leave that out. The kit did bring the weight down some, which made little if any improvement on the B8's...however, what it really did was make it easier to shoot similar scores.

I've got only about 600 rds thru it right now. IIRC there was one failure to extract with winchester white box 115grn ball. Otherwise it has shot, Winchester 124grn NATO, Magtech 115's, Lawman 124's, Federal AE 124's and 147's, some Gold Dot & Win Ranger 124's, and some of the federal in the white box 147grn JHP..supposed to be HiShok's I think...contract over run(?), with out issue. I recall Winchester White box having some reported issues in the M&P and maybe other 9mm's as the rim dimensions maybe on one end or the other of the spec. Either way that is the only malfunction so far.

 

 The gun will fit in a full size M&P holster. I was not able to fit it in a Raven Kydex for the M&Pc as the end is rolled over...a little heat and some coaxing might get it to fit. It fit fine in a Wild Bills leather Vertical Scabbard, of course with some left over at the bottom.

 

 The sight dovetails are the same as a M&P, and I've been thinking about replacing them, but so far I'm just waiting on a take off set from an M&P or otherwise tried and discarded set showing up somewhere.

 

 Some things I like about it vs the G19

 I prefer the hinged trigger of the Smith's, though these days I'm inclined to believe all these trigger safeties are just gimmicks.

 

 I prefer the feel of the grip to the Gen3 G19, it also has a shorter trigger reach, which is good for me. I've only handled Gen4's in the gun shop, a while back....so I can not compare the two.

 

 The slide stop is of a nice size, and made reloads easier

 

 The backstrap is slightly extended, similar to the extended grip plugs that used to be available, and the hole does not go thru to the inner workings.

 

 SD v. G19:

 Now, I'm not saying we should all run out a buy one of these, but for some, it may be a decent alternative.

 

 -Sights:

  Mostly a wash, as most switched on people will change both brands out. For those that this gun is really aimed at, I think the steel front, and better rear, are a better set up then the plastic glock sights.

 

 Grip:

 If the Gen3 or 4 doesn't do it for you, the SD grip feels very good to me. SD specific grip tape is available if needed. Otherwise, to me the traction feels no worse then a Gen 3 Glock, the RTF frame is a different deal though, and I really wish S&W had a comparable offering.

 

 Trigger:

 Again the trigger reach feels better for my small hands, but not sure of a Gen4 Glock. If you are like me and prefer the curved & hinged trigger, there it is. If not, the Apex offering should fit.

 Weight is still higher then the Glock, but not un-manegable. A fellow LFer, remarked he liked it better then the factory Glock trigger after the apex kit was installed. But, thats it...I'm sure some one could polish and what not the internals to help out, but there just aren't many factory options for it.

 

Slide:

 Its silver/white whatever you call it. So if the two tone things isn't for you.. a can of AlumaHyde is cheap. I think a local guys charges 75 bucks to cerakote just a slide.

 It does have front cocking serrations, if those are for you.

 

 Rail:

 It has universal or picatinny rail on the dust cover, so a SF X slides on fine.

 

 -A simple price comparison at a place like Academy, or a LGS, puts the SD's at about $325, and a G19 at $550. Glock mags are about $20 and SD's...$35

  I've seen SD's on sale for about $275. 

 For some the price difference is a big deal. 

 

 And thats really where it is....if money is a serious issue, I would recommend this, and I have to a friend.Other then a used G19 of unknown pedigree, what else is there? I would take this over a Taurus or other questionable companies offerings.

 The average guy or chic that wants a gun around, but isn't a gun guy....not at the level we are, is not going to look around for  used G-lock, or know what to look for.

 For the money saved over a Glock, the buyer can buy some OK enough carry gear, some ammo, perhaps another mag. If they shoot it once in a blue moon, they'd be ok. If they shoot it more then that, they can make some simple upgrades with the Apex kit, some tritium sight & grip tape.

 If they really get into it, a local guy can still stipple the grip, and maybe paint the slide....all of which can be done over time.

 

 I also think it compares well to the used K frame 38 that is often recommended for this type of shooter.

 

 Me, I was intrigued by them & liked the idea of a "project". I was able to get it at a good price, and can upgrade it a little at a time,...or not.

 I kinda like it.....anybody got any M&P sights laying around?

 

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

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M&P sights...PM me your address and I'll send you a set.

 

The SD9VE is on my short list for a car gun when I can find one for a cheap price, i.e. under $200.  I didn't know that the M&P sights would swap over, so that is a good thing.  I knew about the Apex kit and they are pretty cheap, so that was something I planned to do.  And, I also found they fit in M&P holsters, including the kydex ones.  The grip feels pretty good and the angle is good.  I'm not fond of the shiny nickle finish on the mags, but I can live with it.  We had some in  that had an OD frame and that would be cool to get. 

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Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

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I worked for an EP co. that required .40 cal. They had glock 22s on hand at large residential jobs. Most of us carried glocks but one of the employees who is now a good friend of mine carries a Sigma. He is not a hard core shooter but says his sigma never gave him problems....

 

For 150 I would buy it.....but retail naaaa

 

Im still a glock fan

 

 Bestcounsel:

 That's the thing, it's not a Sigma, as everyone assumes. And, much like everything else on the 'net...opinions vary. 

 Some guys out there are what I call, reverse elitists....always challenging the superiority of known quality kit...claiming how their XXXX is far batter or just as good as...

 

 Two things make a G19 a no brainer...in 9mm at least..

 Support and track record.

 

 Of course that makes it difficult for anyone else to get their foot in the door...kinda like the reason everyone recommends R700's for a bolt gun....every precision rifle smith works on them, and there is more aftermarket for them, so everyone keeps buying 700's, thus continuing the cycle. But, bolt fun aficionados will tell you the R700 ain't all that.

 

 I was eventually going to buy an SD in 40 at the normal price, or when Academy put them on sale. But, I was working at a large national outfitter, when the guy came into trade this....the store policy on trade in's did not allow the gun counter to offer the guy much, and we had plenty of them in the vault. When the guy was leaving, I asked what he wanted to get out of it, he said $150....and I about broke my arm getting the money out.

 

 A female friend of mine was having issues with her Ex/baby daddy and wanted me to help her buy a gun for the house or car...she was a bartender and worked late.

 She also did her share of hunting and knew how to shoot, but finances were tight.

 I brought her to Palmetto State Armory, where they have a large selection. Explained to her the advantages of various guns, and what I thought. She handled the Ruger, the SD and a G19, and liked the SD....it also comes from a large American firm...not some importer.

 I think this gun was made for people like her. She shoots it now and then, but not hard core. Loads it and puts it up...

 

Again, I don't have, or have ever shot a Sigma, so I can not compare the two...but this is not a Sigma.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I agree. I've shot the original Sigma way back, used a M&P .40 on the academy  (currently issued G21, been a Glock guy since the 90s). I thought the SD was a relabeled Sigba, but after handling several a few years ago I was pleasantly surprised. 

Not going to run out for one but I wouldn't mind an issued one or one at a decent price as a spare.

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R.Moran...I don't know much about the sigma or the SD. Now I know. When I worked for that co. I already owned a glock 22 so it was a no brainer. I always thought glock was a working mans gun and still feel that way. What I like about glocks is all the holsters fit. I am going to go glock 19 from a 23 and I don't have to buy new holsters....

 

Nice write up...

 

I bet when you run that sd with a light on it you get NO FTF or Malfunctions on it...like other glock 22s

 

 

The old sigmas and the steyrs m9 seemed very similar in feel for the ergonomics, I may be mistaken, but the steyr trigger was similar to the glocks.

 

"The facts, while interesting are irrelevant: It's not what you know that matters, it's what you don't know that tends to get people killed."

 

"Nobelesse Oblige"

Originally Posted by boostercup:

funny how the law of threes apply - when searching ghetto sleds it's amazing how many times we come across smegmas, highpoints and newports...

 

 I don't know how to respond to that...

 Am I gangsta for owning it?

 Are they only gangsta guns?

 I know it's all in good fun, or assume it is, but these days I'm leery of labeling any gun..

 

 And, it's not a Sigma...for awhile S&W was selling all three...Sigma, SD, M&P...looks like the Sigma has finally been dropped in favor of the VS series SD, which is what I have...the VE differs from the original SD, in that it has a plain white dot front sight, not tritium and the slide does not have the black finish.

 

 Again, I've never owned or shot a Sigma, so I can not tell you what the internal differences are. I've handled and dry fired a friends sigma and some at gunshows.

 I can say this,the trigger is better then those, it has a picatinny rail, and contoured slide, and better sights. So even if it was a revamped Sigma...perhaps they revamped what needed to be revamped?

 So far, the gun runs and is accurate enough at 25yds.

 

 Am I recommending it over a G19? Not really, unless you fit in the categories I outlined in earlier posts in this thread.

 

 The original Sigma does seem to be popular with the saggy pants crowd, because they are cheap and hold a lot of "beems".

 

 I always thought we could solve most gang shooting by air dropping Desert Eagles and Tec9's into their neighborhoods....I've never seen one of them get thru more then a few rounds before malfunctioning..

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I've recommended the SD9VE to people on multiple occasions when they are on a budget and trying to find something that fits most hands and is primarily for home use, not concealed.  The gun is "cheaper" because it is fairly basic.  No grip options, but it feels pretty damn good as is.  The trigger press is heavy, but usable and the Apex sear and spring is a $30 option.  Honestly, the gen 3 and earlier Glocks sold at the prices they did because of name.  They don't cost more to make than the SD9VE and on that basis, "should" sell for close to the same if it wasn't for the added value of the name.  

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Swear allegiance to the flag Whatever flag they offer

Never hint at what you really feel

Teach the children quietly For some day sons and daughters

Will rise up and fight while we stood still

 

Joined:  2/24/2003                          Location:  Nevada, USA

Originally Posted by R.Moran:
Originally Posted by boostercup:

funny how the law of threes apply - when searching ghetto sleds it's amazing how many times we come across smegmas, highpoints and newports...

 

 I don't know how to respond to that...

 Am I gangsta for owning it?

 Are they only gangsta guns?

 I know it's all in good fun, or assume it is, but these days I'm leery of labeling any gun..

 

 And, it's not a Sigma...for awhile S&W was selling all three...Sigma, SD, M&P...looks like the Sigma has finally been dropped in favor of the VS series SD, which is what I have...the VE differs from the original SD, in that it has a plain white dot front sight, not tritium and the slide does not have the black finish.

 

 Again, I've never owned or shot a Sigma, so I can not tell you what the internal differences are. I've handled and dry fired a friends sigma and some at gunshows.

 I can say this,the trigger is better then those, it has a picatinny rail, and contoured slide, and better sights. So even if it was a revamped Sigma...perhaps they revamped what needed to be revamped?

 So far, the gun runs and is accurate enough at 25yds.

 

 Am I recommending it over a G19? Not really, unless you fit in the categories I outlined in earlier posts in this thread.

 

 The original Sigma does seem to be popular with the saggy pants crowd, because they are cheap and hold a lot of "beems".

 

 I always thought we could solve most gang shooting by air dropping Desert Eagles and Tec9's into their neighborhoods....I've never seen one of them get thru more then a few rounds before malfunctioning..

Hell yeah all in good fun... Not that I'd make it a point of insulting a mod or anything...

 

North Alabama, USA. Roll Tide.

 

We need an ordnance ordinance!

 

 

 Palmetto State Armory has them on sale for $270 right now.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

 

 Who was that?

 I think these came out after I moved to SC, so after 2008

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

 I had a Sigma that had a bunch of issues and after two trips to the factory, sold it with full disclosure to friends dad who liked it. Ive stayed away from the S&W SD line ever since but now might take a gander at 'em and test drive one at a local range. Thanks for the post!!

A guy on Pistol-Forum bought a SD9 and ran it through a 2,000 test. I think he gave up at about 2,400 rounds. and auctioned off the gun for charity.

 

If someone wants a newly manufactured gun that is reliable, and they are on a tight budget, this gun is on my short list to recommend.

 

 

 

 

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 So because of this thread, the perfect day to shoot, and it was Vet's day...I took the SD9 out again today, and put just under 400 rounds of various ammo thru it.

 

 This the first 10rds of the day, no warm up, no dry fire...

 Federal 147grn JHP 9MS

 25yds, "freestyle, slow fire"

 

 

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 I think that will get the job done.

 

 I then shot another 6 groups with various ammo, with similar results, except for..

 

 

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 This is Aguila 124grn FMJ.....and the reason why I believe in zeroing handguns, and practicing with a zero'd gun. Way high and left. The one at the bottom, is actually a high round from another group.

 

 So, after 7 10 rounds slow fire groups, I did some drills...shoot on the move, 25yd assault course, El prez...

 

 I had more then a few failures to lock back, but not consistently, and not slow fire. So, I am fairly certain this was a grip issue. Either my strong hand thumb was impeding the slide stop, or the fat part of my weak hand thumb near the wrist was...I tried kicking my strong thumb over, like many do with a Sig, and that helped, checking my grip I noticed the issue with the weak hand...if I consciously corrected that, no issues. Take that FWIW.

 

Other then that, no failure to feed, fire, extract or eject. Mag changes were smooth and positive.

 

To finish up, I fired 3 more 10rd slow fire groups, with the 9MS stuff, and some American Eagle 147grn Flat Point FMJ

 The last group of the day..

 

 

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 Not bad for a $300 P.O.S. gangsta gun.

 

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Come on man....it's not A Pos gangsta gun.....

 

frankly, I'm interested now....especially since LFr has tested one.......ive been looking at getting my wife a house 9mm gun....when I work nights I leave my wife my glock 22....and I carry my glock 23....

 

 I guess I shoulda put the smiley face in there...

 

 I'm leery of saying "test"...I've shot about 1K rounds thru it at the range....it's been lubed but not really cleaned. Maybe when I can, I might shoot it in a class. 

 

 I have been basically using it as a house gun, with an older X300 on it...and yes it runs fine, so far with a light on it.

 

 I liken the trigger to something sorta like...a "+" connector in a Glock, or the trigger that was all the rage a while back, where they used the "-" connector and the NY1 spring..or whatever....but not as bad...I tried that set up in a Glock for one range day and took it right the fuck out...or maybe more like a revolver.

 But, even with the Apex kit, it takes a bit more concentration on the sight, and trigger press, then say a 1911, or M&P...

 Either way, it's shootable...nothing went outside the 5 ring of a TQ15 or the A zone of a Paul Howe IPSC target.

 

 PSA has them on sale for about $280, an Apex spring kit is $20, they make an extended floor plate, but that bitch is like $36...so I passed for now.

 But it's +3...

 So for $350 you could have a 20rd 9mm bedside.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Gotta say I'm a huge fan of the SD series...as long as it's the other guy using it.  The one time I was shot at was by someone with an SD40.  He got one shot off before he was decisively persuaded to stop shooting.  After it was over it was discovered that he had a failure to feed after the first round.  I highly recommend them to anyone else who ever plans on shooting at me.

Sweat dries, blood clots, wounds heal;  suck it up and drive on.

That's it? That's the extent of your experience with them?

Ya know, I've had Glock's fail to feed.....so, don't no one buy one

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Picked a 9mm version not to long ago. Got some gift cards for a local farm supply store for Christmas and waited for a sale weekend. I've only put about 500 rounds through it at this point. Several years ago I bought some really cheap 9mm ( I think it is Sumbro). Anyway I got it for $125/1000 so I bought a bunch. The only guns I have that feed it without a problem are my 92FS, Shield, and the SW SD9. 

Its not ever going to be my go to pistol but I like it. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

So, because this came back up, I figure I should update it a bit..

 

Awhile back, somewhere just under 1k rounds thru it, or maybe right at it....I don't really keep count..the trigger failed to return, slamming on the bottom of the grip usually fixed it. Happened a handful of times. The gun had not been cleaned at all since I got it, and I had put the reduced power trigger return spring from Apex in it...so I chalked it up to that.

Interestingly...I returned to the range the next day, again without cleaning or lubing the gun, and ran another couple/few boxes thru it...so 100-200rds(?)...and the issue never surfaced.....so, got me.

I took it home, cleaned it well, and re-lubed it, and kinda moved on to other guns. Mostly because I wanted to try some different sights. A fellow LFer graciously sent me some take off M&P steel sights w/white dots. They work fine, but really aren't my thing.

Looking at the Dawson site, they no longer list the Adjustable rear sight for the M&P. An email confirmed they have been temporarily  discontinued pending a re-design.

However, I found a set on "make ready.com" or someplace...with a red fiber optic front, not my preferred set up, but close enough.

Got them in, and had them installed.

Went to the indoor range to get a quick "zero" and put a few more rounds down range. It shot about the same, no issues with the trigger failing to re-set. I did have one horizontal type stovepipe with Fed AE 147grn flat points...I have previously fired a few hundred rounds of this thru the gun with no  issues, and another 1-200rds since, and the issue has not repeated itself.

The other I took it out once again, and put 1-150rds thru it, Fed 147grn flat points and 147grn JHP 9MS....apparently they are only effective in the 1990's...again no failure or malfunctions.

The last group of the day was fired with the Federal 9ms load, 25yds, slowfire, freestyle....and scored a 99 w/4 X rings..

I'm still kinda liking this gun. The trigger takes more work to shoot well then an Apex trigger in an M&P or - connector in a Glock, but it obviously shoots well enough.  I really like the way the grip feels, compared to a Glock or even my M&P's with the small insert.

 I was able to stretch out a Raven holster with a heat gun, a little heat and I was able to pop it in with out issue.

Some people say you have to be able to run 1K rounds  trouble free thru a gun before you declare that gun or ammo reliable for carry....I don't particularly agree with that. But, I've got over 1K thru this gun with two ammo related malfunctions..one at the beginning of that, and one towards the end, two different types of malfunctions, and two different types of ammo....so....

The slide continues to fail to lock back, but I am 99.9% convinced it is my grip...it does not happen shooting strong hand only or weak hand only, and is intermittent with a two handed grip....I'm thinking of shaving down the slide stop.

The failure of the trigger to re-set happened with a fairly dirty gun and a reduced power trigger return spring...once more, in stopped w/o any cleaning, and has not occurred again....so, I'm not sure what to think of it....but I've seen odd shit like that before.

 

I'll continue to take it out and shoot it here and there, but...I should get back to my M&P 40's

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

Sorry for the necropost.

B. Moran (or anyone else)....I know you said that the SD fits M&P holsters but was wondering if you know if it fits Safariland ALS holsters for the M&P? One of our retired guys bought one for paid details (we allow retired and reserves to work private details) but we require security holsters and Safariland does not list the SD on the Will-Fit chart for Duty holsters. 

Thanks,

Bill W.

I need to up date this anyway...

I know it fits a Safariland SLS holster, not sure of ALS..but if I had to guess I would say yes...for a full size.

So...Can't say at what range count...maybe 1500 +/- , while installing another set of sights, "my armorer" and fellow LightFighter found a hairline crack in the slide. Right side, down in the rear cocking serrations, outside...just above where the rail would be.  He called S&W and they sent a label..gun was sent out, slide replaced and returned free of charge, in couple/few weeks.

Not sure what to make of it. I had researched the gun before and just after I came into it...I googled again for cracked slides and came up empty. I'm thinking it's not common...I did cone across pics/stories of cracked slides in many of other types of guns, including a Glock that was attributed to improper use of a sight pusher..so....got me....S&W took care of it no questions asked though.

I did change the sights from a Dawson rear & front to a set of adjustable Williams fire sights. Where the front sight slid right out...sigh...I replaced it with a Dawson FO front sight, where the FO fell out...sigh..

However the gun continues to shoot fine. I picked up an "older" 600lumen Streamlight TLR1 light for it.

So as it sits now, it has FO adjustable sights, partial Apex trigger kit, Partial Talon grips(they wrinkled up, so I tore that backstrap piece off) TLR1 light. I'll try to get a pic later.

I'll shoot it here and there, but I got other guns to get to.

I saw an add for a version of this gun with a black slide, and FDE frame, on sale for like $250...I saw another at Academy with TruGlo(?) sights for $325...but they are always high..

So for not a lot of money, you can get a 16 round 9mm with a usable trigger, and good accuracy, from a major American maker.  It's not perfect, but it'll do for an economic choice for the non dedicated shooter, a loaner gun, spare, etc.

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

To follow up

I tried the SD above with a TLR light in an ALS holster marked M&P w/TLR

And it worked fine in the living room..no range time, but other then the tall front sight dragging a bit, I didn't see any issues

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"Good landing, good fight, and good luck" James M. Gavin 09Jul43

 "they say if it works, it's a good tactic...I say anything can work once" 

I wish I'd found this thread before buying my SD9 (my search-fu is obviously F'd U).  Had I read the good comments from Bob and others, I wouldn't have hesitated and agonized so long before buying it.

Reading LF posts from people I respect has led me to thinking G19 is the most widely-used and perhaps the one I should buy as a general purpose do most everything hand gun....except....where I live, they average in price around $1000 CDN.  The SD9 VE, very similar in many respects, is $400 CDN - less than half the price.  As Mark mentioned, we seem to pay a lot for that Glock name.

Joined sometime in 2008.                  Live in Canada.        

Damn, if G19s cost US1k down here, I might own one, not, oh shit , how many do I have ��.  

Of course the "Roland Special" I just built up would look more cost effective if the mods and additions only cost twice the basic pistol price, vice 3X. 

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“Speak softly and carry a big stick;  you will go far. “

 Theodore Roosevelt

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Joined: 29 May 2008          Location: AZ

I am notoriously cheap (out of necessity as I have little disposable income).  I'm kind of like the anti-Consig....

Keep in mind we are not allowed to carry a hand gun.  About the only scenario I could use one in self defence would be in the unlikely event of a home invasion.  In that case, it is easier to go for a non-restricted gun with less storage rules (like a shotgun).  I own hand guns in order to keep my skills up to par.  As you all say, they are the most difficult guns to shoot accurately.  Should I ever deploy again, I'm comfortable that I can employ the 70 year old BHP better than 90% of my peers who only shoot it when the army tells them to (30 mins on the rge during pre-deployment trg).  Also, I like guns.  I like hand guns.  I have single action, double action, historic ones BUT never owned a striker fired....in my mind, that means I NEEDED one to round out my stable.  With the proliferation of Glocks, M&Ps etc, one should be familiar with them.

Rest assured, if I was allowed to carry daily (and, by extension, my life depended on it) I would spend  the money to get the absolute best tool for that job.  I suppose my life is worth a grand or 2.

Joined sometime in 2008.                  Live in Canada.        

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