You guys are doing this to me as I'm waiting for a VP9 to be delivered...now I really want a G5 G19.  Any of you that have shot the Gen 5 also have a VP9 to compare it to?  Not changing my mind, at this point, but it might hasten how quickly I get a new Glock. 

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I had a chance to shoot a Gen5 19 (approx. 150 rounds).  The trigger was probably the best (subjectively) stock Glock, trigger out of the box, that I've felt.  It had a smooth, roll until break.  The grip texture was Gen4ish... which is nice.  I've always hated the fingergrooves... so the deletion was great (for me).  The flared magwell is a plus, and seemed to aid reloads.  Accuracy seemed as good, if not better, at 25 yards (on B-8 bullseye targets).  No brass to face, solid 4 o'clock ejection.  Zero malfunctions.  It was only 150 rounds... more in depth testing required to really ring out the accuracy potential.  All in all, this new Glock generation is a winner.

Just back from first range session with the the Gen5 19.  Impressed.  Now I only put about 50 rounds down range, as the session was actually a department qual session and also to zero the 17MOS with RMR I recently received.

First 25 rounds were shot cold as a back-up/off-duty qualification (25 yards and in).  I'm a low left drift Glock shooter.  Or, I was.  The Gen5 produced a perfect centered group for me immediately, the first time ever with a Glock.  Notable was that my group at 25 was 6" with one flyer that I called.  The trigger was noticeably better than the trigger on the Gen4 17MOS, which is also new.  The Gen5 felt better all the way around, *seemed* a wee bit softer in recoil than a buddy's Gen4 19MOS I shot in comparison right after.  No hiccups at all.  Gun is nice, smooth shooting, and finally feels good to me.  Didn't notice the front mag half-round cut out while shooting.  When you pick the gun up it feels good in the hand.  Even better if you grip a Gen4 to compare, because the finger grooves you might not think you notice after you've gotten used to them, you will notice.

Anyways, I think this pistol is different in enough subtle ways to be really different overall.  Yeah, it's a Glock in design and principle...but not the same as older Glocks in practice.

YMMV, but if you grudgingly accept Glocks because you have to for work or other practical reasons, this one might be easier to tolerate.

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Took off work early and went to pick up my new Gen 5. Took it to the range for a short test. Hopefully tomorrow when I have more time I can shoot more than the 50 rounds I did today. 

First thing I noticed is I like the pistol without the finger grooves. They never bothered me before, but I like without better.

The ambidextrous slide safety is whatever. I don't need it but it's not in the way. 

I like the beveled front/nose of the pistol slide.

The biggest surprise is the trigger. I was issued a new G17 gen 4 in January and after a ton of rounds I feel I am finally comfortable with that trigger. 

I have read all of the above and didn't appreciate what was said about the trigger until I spent some time with it. 

 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Yeah, the Gen5 stock trigger really makes the gun, IMO.  It gives all the advantages of a Glock trigger for duty use, and takes away nearly any minus.  Dry-firing doesn't tell the story like rounds downrange.  For me, shooting Glocks well has taken conscious effort and discipline.  Still, I fight the low left drift...swapping backstraps, trying grip force adaptors, ghost connectors, nothing seemed to make a significant improvement.  The Gen5, though, straight out of the box, no backstrap, no mods, and my performance was the overall best I've ever shot a Glock, versus effort I put into shooting one.  In other words, lots of juice for the squeeze.  If you're still not sure, shoot one.  Our main firearms guy tried mine today and was very impressed.  He's good with a Glock, but he recognized the difference and felt like it was significantly improved.

I do hope Tango Down/Vickers will shit out an improved slide release/stop/lock lever soon, perhaps even a non-ambi one.

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So a slight update, I noticed my G5 17 doesn't seem to fit very well in my T-Rex kydex holster from my Gen 4 19.  Yes, two different model guns, but this holster is designed to work with any similar sized Glock.  It will fit into the holster, but is extremely tight and you can see obvious kydex wear on the slide when you remove it.  It appears that due to the slight change in slide profile (?) a form fitting holster like a kydex may pose some issues, where as a harder plastic retention holster (like a Safariland) probably has enough play to allow the few mm's of difference between gen 4 and 5.  

I picked up a red label 19 gen 5 last week. I have been shooting and carrying G19s or G23s for the last ten years or so, and I have to say this has been the best out of the box shooter yet.

 

One thing I noticed that I thought was interesting was the locking block. The gun is obviously two-pin, but the locking block has the channel for the third pin. Almost like the reverse of the later Gen2 and early Gen 3 9mm guns where the locking block was for a two-pin but the frames had a machine point molded in for the third hole to be drilled.

So, got to finger bang both the M&P 2.0 compact and the Gen 5 19 and 17 at the LGS today....

gotta say, as nice as the MnP was the Gen 5 grip and trigger were phenomenal albeit in dry fire. Im a 19 guy but that 17 was sick...

Probably gonna stick with the GLOCK at this point and try a Gen 5 before I switch out all my duty and support gear for a new pistola.

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Spacetaco posted:

Can anyone run some Magpul and ETS mags if you have them when you get the GEN5?  I have to wait until NOV. 2017 until I can even think about getting one. 

My 19.5 has about 600 rounds (duty/training) through it.  Most of those are from Magpul 15 and 21 round magazines.  No stoppages.  

Location: Southeastern PA

 

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I do not have any of the ETS magazines, but have the 17 round, 21 round, and some 17 round with the ZEV 5 round extensions Magpul magazines and in the several hundred rounds I have fired they worked. I don’t have access to my round count sheet at the moment but it’s around 500 +/-. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

Picked up a Gen 5 G17 today. Im a G19 guy even though I have bigger hands. It just felt better and as it will be a primary duty weapon, not too concerned about the larger size.

Awesome trigger and grip...gotta find some sights

On a side note, walking in to the Cop Shop, ran into the GLOCK regional manager that Ive known for years as he was leaving. Hooked me up with some serious GLOCK swag for my troubles. Also the same guy who hooked me and a buddy up at the Vegas SHOT Show GLOCK after party at Cesars Palace....seriously the most  off the hook open bar free food shin-dig at SHOT......Nice to know good folks in the industry.

Gonna run it hard and hopefully post a review

on a side note....thinking about a Streamlight. TLR-1HL 800 Lumen instread of the SF X300U 600 lumen ....if anyone has any thoughts   

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Hopefully,  Agency Arms will adapt their perfect magwell to the G19.5 and cover most of the half moon cutout. Their magwell was perfect on my Gen4.  Sold it and upgraded to the Gen5. 

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I don't own a G17 currently.  Thinking about picking up a G17 Gen 5 to go along with the G19 Gen 4. 

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Pretty much all I have run in my g5 Glock 17 have been Magpuls and the three factory mags it came with. I have used the 17,21, and the 17s with the 5 round extended bases. I think they are either Zev or Falkor Defense. So far the G5 17 has been boringly reliable with 115,124, and 147. 

LPD "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives." - Theodore Roosevelt

I'm debating right now between a G17 Gen 5 (I don't own a G17 yet) or try the new M&P 9 compact 2.0.   🤔

 

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arcticlightfighter posted

on a side note....thinking about a Streamlight. TLR-1HL 800 Lumen instread of the SF X300U 600 lumen ....if anyone has any thoughts   

We have about 50 of these in use.  The battery compartment door design is, IMHO, poorly engineered.  

We have had about 15-20 break.  

Some due to end user ham handedness, some not.  

IMO, buy a Surefire instead.

I have compared my 600lum u-boat to the 830 lum TLR and to the eyes of me and a fellow instructor, , the SF is the equal of the SL for lums.

  SF costs more, yes, but per, John Johnston of Ballistic Radio, 30% discount code for purchases from the SF website (except Suppressors and batteries) is ALLTHELUMENS.  That 30% off takes a good amount of the sting out of the purchase price.   

I and other I know have purchased successfully with this code.  

SFF posted:
 
arcticlightfighter posted

on a side note....thinking about a Streamlight. TLR-1HL 800 Lumen instread of the SF X300U 600 lumen ....if anyone has any thoughts   

We have about 50 of these in use.  The battery compartment door design is, IMHO, poorly engineered.  

We have had about 15-20 break.  

Some due to end user ham handedness, some not.  

IMO, buy a Surefire instead.

I have compared my 600lum u-boat to the 830 lum TLR and to the eyes of me and a fellow instructor, , the SF is the equal of the SL for lums.

 

Bought the 600 Lumen SF X300U .......thing is crazy bright! 

found it NIB for $185 pn ARF 

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I picked up a Gen5 17.

I only have about 100 rds through it.  Thus far, I am very impressed.  For me, it is the best Glock trigger I've tried to date.  I really like the grip frame modifications.  I haven't really tried to wring it out for accuracy yet, but will be getting there before too long.

I already anticipate picking up a gen5 19, and retiring my gen2 19 for my EDC gun.

 

 

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I expect to pick up a Gen 5 G17 within the next couple months one way or the other. I'm trying to talk my stepdad into picking one up. If it turns out he doesn't like it (and I do), I'll just buy it off him since I, myself, only get one GSSF Blue label per year.

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steveg2 posted:

I have 2 pistols I wish to buy this year, a Gen5 G19, and a VP9SK. There goes a grand. But I may sell one of my gen 3s to help pay for the 5.

My Rule #1 gun right now is my PPS M2. I'd love to shoot a G26 gen4 and a VP9SK back to back to see which of those I prefer for the small double-stack.  I somewhat lean toward the G26 still because of magazine commonality with my G17/G19 primary.

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steveg2 posted:

I have 2 pistols I wish to buy this year, a Gen5 G19, and a VP9SK. There goes a grand. But I may sell one of my gen 3s to help pay for the 5.

You're gonna take a bath on the Gen 3.  Every dealer around me is blowing out new Gen 3s for $450 or less.

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sundance43.5 posted:
steveg2 posted:

I have 2 pistols I wish to buy this year, a Gen5 G19, and a VP9SK. There goes a grand. But I may sell one of my gen 3s to help pay for the 5.

You're gonna take a bath on the Gen 3.  Every dealer around me is blowing out new Gen 3s for $450 or less.

Gen 3's  (26, 19, & 17)have been $500 or less here for as long as I have had my G19 (about 6 or 7 years).  I think the bath will come trying to sell a well used Gen. 3.  I got my previously owned, but unfired,  Gen 3 17 for $350 about a year ago.

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You may be right, especially as both of them are modified, extended slide lock and release, grip hump removed the grips stippled front and rear (but not the sides),  and with tru glo fiber optic sights (yellow and green) on second thought perhaps I'll just keep them and figure another way to buy a gen 5.

1,905 through my gen5 G17 using factory Glock magazines and mixed ammo. Not one malfunction.

1,240 through my gen5 G19 using factory Glock magazines and mixed ammo. Same boring reliability as the 17. Strongest ejection out of any 19 I’ve ever owned. Damn near as strong as my VP9.

All in all I’m very impressed with this new generation. I’m to the point where I prefer the gen5 trigger over my issued gen4 with over 5,000 rounds through it. Flared magwell is a bonus and accuracy is off the charts. These gen5s may make me sway from my beloved VP9s. 

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Interesting long thread over at M4C comparing the Glock 19 Gen 5, CZ P10C, and M&P 2.0 Compact:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showt...M-amp-P-2-0-Compact-(starts-on-pg-6)

Of note, the original poster and a couple others have noted that their Gen 5s have experienced trigger issues at about the 4,000 round mark. Symptoms are described as binding or grittiness in the trigger after working smoothly for the first couple thousand rounds. Not sure what the cause is, but maybe related to the new firing pin safety design? Curious if anyone here has experienced anything like this.

I'm up to 400 rounds through my G5 17; I have not had any issue with it; I like it more every time I shoot it...I'm hoping to have some more time to put more rounds through it - I should be able to put a couple hundred through it tomorrow.

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I'd love a Gen 5 17C ... Just cause... 

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I just shot at g17 gen 5 today.  Picked up a used one last week for the same price as Blue Label (and my next GSSF coupon is already spoken for). I didn't notice a big difference between it and the gen 4, but I think I liked the lack of finger grooves.  The ameriglos I put on my G19 have the U-shaped notch in the rear, rather than square that's on the G17Gen5. I think I prefer the square notch.

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Any right hand shooters having issues with inadvertently engaging the slide stop on the right side when firing? This happened to me several times causing the slide to lock to the rear when firing on a partially full mag.

Ive got big hands so I clearly hitting it with my trigger finger that when under recoil is just enough to engage the slide...not cool

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I have locked the slide back inadvertently several times.  I had to adjust my grip and place my firing hand thumb across the top of my support thumb to avoid it

jto

 

 

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Just an FYI - if you want to put a KKM Comp on a Gen 5 19 it WILL NOT work with the safariland ALS. The slide bevel at the front allows the ALS mechanism to lock into the comp and locks up the gun in the holster.

Rick

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Thanks  for the replies however I’m actually engaging the right side slide stop with my trigger finger as I shoot. 

I am right-handed and am actually engaging the right side (left handed slide stop) with my trigger finger under recoil  which is causing the slide to lock open on a partially full mag I am not touching the slide stop with my thumbs

Not too happy with this development and would be fine with no ambidextrous slide stop everything else about the gun is fine though

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