Glock Gen 5 --- RFI

fpdsniper posted:

You could always dremel off that side then file it smooth.  It might sound redneck, but it ain't redneck if it works.

This is actually what I’ll end up trying haha

Shit is annoying and I never had that issue with the M&P ambi release

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Darn Glock, I was intending to buy a VP9SK this year and a Gen 5 G19.  But now I have the hots to get a G19X. No particular reason, I just like the looks.  Had the opportunity to play with one yesterday and it felt pretty good. Not that I will ever work or play in a sandy area, Indy being rather short in beaches.  The mighty White River usually being the color of baby shit.   

steveg2 posted:

Darn Glock, I was intending to buy a VP9SK this year and a Gen 5 G19.  But now I have the hots to get a G19X. No particular reason, I just like the looks.  Had the opportunity to play with one yesterday and it felt pretty good. Not that I will ever work or play in a sandy area, Indy being rather short in beaches.  The mighty White River usually being the color of baby shit.   

If you are getting both buy the G19 first.  Because if you buy the HK first, you'll NEVER buy the Glock.

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arcticlightfighter posted:
fpdsniper posted:

You could always dremel off that side then file it smooth.  It might sound redneck, but it ain't redneck if it works.

This is actually what I’ll end up trying haha

Shit is annoying and I never had that issue with the M&P ambi release

I'd give a couple of weeks, as I expect that there will be some options for the GEN5 ambi slide stop/release lever released at shot.

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Consig, reverend father, I thank you for the advice. But I already have two full size VP9s. I used one to do my LEOSA qual with last fall. I told the range officer, it was almost like I was cheating, the darn thing is so accurate. But I do still like my G19s.

steveg2 posted:

Consig, reverend father, I thank you for the advice. But I already have two full size VP9s. I used one to do my LEOSA qual with last fall. I told the range officer, it was almost like I was cheating, the darn thing is so accurate. But I do still like my G19s.

Then continue along your chosen path my son.  

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Consigliere posted:
steveg2 posted:

Darn Glock, I was intending to buy a VP9SK this year and a Gen 5 G19.  But now I have the hots to get a G19X. No particular reason, I just like the looks.  Had the opportunity to play with one yesterday and it felt pretty good. Not that I will ever work or play in a sandy area, Indy being rather short in beaches.  The mighty White River usually being the color of baby shit.   

If you are getting both buy the G19 first.  Because if you buy the HK first, you'll NEVER buy the Glock.

HK.... Don't they make the Hi Point? 

I'll run for my life now.... 

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Ironically Im considering going back to the GEN3 G17.

My idea of GLOCK perfection was the GEN3 GLOCK 17,19 and 26 9mm's

For .40 and up, I like the GEN 4 design. 

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Crazy thing but MY idea of Glock perfection is the gen4 Glock 17 and 26. Oh, and my gen4 Glock 17 cut to take 19 mags.  Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoy the new gen5 models and they’re extremely accurate but I’ll still keep my gen4’s.

9.11.01 Never Forget, Never Forgive

IMG_3217IMG_3219TNYankee posted:
arcticlightfighter posted:
fpdsniper posted:

You could always dremel off that side then file it smooth.  It might sound redneck, but it ain't redneck if it works.

This is actually what I’ll end up trying haha

Shit is annoying and I never had that issue with the M&P ambi release

I'd give a couple of weeks, as I expect that there will be some options for the GEN5 ambi slide stop/release lever released at shot.

So I bought 2 extra G5 slide stops to experiment with. I couldn't get through a full mag with out locking the slide back 3-4 times with the firing grip I have been using the last 20 years.

I realized that the main issue was my left support hand palm (thumb area) which rides the left side of the frame was actually pushing upwards  enough to engage the slide with the slide stop as it protrudes enough to do so.

My firing hand top edge of my trigger finger actually touches the right (ambi) side slide stop as well.

I had to completely remove the left side (right hand shooter) slide stop and reduce the ambi side to prevent this from happening. Now ironically, I have to use my firing hand index finger to lock the slide back as a lefty shooter does for a right hand slide stop...just great.

Now I just need to replicate it with another spare slide stop and refinish it.

Not cool GLOCK...seriously thinking about the M&P 2.0

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FWIW, I read elsewhere that a Gen4 slide stop lever can be straight swapped onto a Gen5.  I guess the Gen5 still has the right cuts/design for it to work if you remove the ambi unit.  I don't know personally.  But if so, a Vickers unit might work for you.

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FWIW, I read elsewhere that a Gen4 slide stop lever can be straight swapped onto a Gen5.  I guess the Gen5 still has the right cuts/design for it to work if you remove the ambi unit.  I don't know personally.  But id so, a Vickers unit might work for you.

Really............................

 

ETA...Just tried it and although it worked, disassembled there was significant sideways play however when fully assembled it appeared to work fine.

 

I will try it with a live fire.

 

Thanks!

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arcticlightfighter posted:

100 plus rds so far seems to work fine with the Gen 3 slide stop

Still working well for you?  For the first several thousand rounds I never had a problem with the ambi slide stop.  Lately, for whatever reason, I cannot get through a magazine or two without causing the the slide to lock back on a partially full magazine.  I don't know if it is my trigger finger or my support side thumb... 

 

9.11.01 Never Forget, Never Forgive

Is there a range that will let you rent a 5?  I've had an issued 17 since October and love it, I can't shoot it enough.

As soon as I sell my gen3 19, I'll buy a 19 with Ameriglo sights to match the 17 and my 43.  I'm litterally around guys shooting them all day and the scores have come up but the main comments are how easy they are to shoot.

 

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I just purchased a Gen 5 Glock 17 on Monday to replace the Gen 2 slide/Gen 1 Lone Wolf Receiver combination that I have been using while teaching for about five years. That 17 Gen 2 slide had lived a hard life and did not "Go softly into that good night". Manufactured in May of 1990, it endured years of use and abuse by me and God only knows what abuses it suffered before I bought it used in  1998. I managed to shoot that Glock slide to death and actually cracked the slide on the forward edge of the ejection port all the way through the slide. The only way I knew something was wrong is that all my shots began to move left on target, same great groups only my rear sight was hanging over the right side of the slide after adjustment and still shooting about three inches left at five yards, pretty damn off for a pistol that had previously had only been a fraction left due to my non-curable need to push the trigger instead of press the trigger. Needless to say, I shot that combination a lot but I never kept a round count.

So I bought a new pistol and I am working on sending the old pistol and slide back to Glock but the ex has possession of the original receiver...

I bought a Gen 5 17 not because I felt the need to add to a collection but because this is my first new pistol EVER. I've always bought used pistols as that is what I've been able to afford. I am now working as a firearms instructor as my primary source of income and this is fully write-offerable (maybe not a real word but for some reason seems to fit) on the taxes so I decided to go with the new Glock offering and avail myself as a Beta-Tester. The pistol I bought had the Glock night sights installed.

I know it's a small amount of time of ownership and amount ammo downrange, and I know I was having problems with my previous setup but I am Very, Very Happy with my decision to purchase the Gen 5 17. Subjectively the trigger is very crisp with little to no overtravel on trigger break. I have never had a problem with finger grooves on a pistol  but I sure don't miss them and the interchangeable backstraps are sized so that even I found one that really worked for me. I have always found that the Glock would put my shots high on target unless I remembered to cant downward as part of my presentation on target. The texture of the frontstrap, backstrap, and what we would normally call stocks are for me are very well designed in that the pistol does not seem to move during rapid firing but I still find getting a grip on the gun easy to do.

I have been shooting this new pistol for three days and  managed to put 611 rounds downrange while doing demos for students, shooting qualification courses, and trying to push the limits on putting rounds downrange on speed courses during breaks of instruction. One malfunction was noted at round number 409, this round of ammunition would not chamber even after being reloaded in the magazine or being tried in a Glock 19 Gen 3. So far I have been able to get a good feeling overall for the pistol. I'm going to keep track of my first 5000 rounds and try to post a report on how it's going and how I feel about the pistol. 

 

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

Just a quick update,

I've had the Gen 5 17 a month now and have tracked 1827 rounds through it. I'm managing to shoot an average of a little over 150 rounds each time I go to the range. Other than that poorly manufactured round the only issue I've had with the pistol is the front sight decided to come loose at approximately 899 rounds. This was the factory installed Glock Night-Sights and not something I put on after I bought the pistol as I noted in my earlier post. I was doing a warm up drill first thing in the morning with the students and noticed that the front sight looked a little off as I was aiming in my first shot. Upon firing my first shot of the morning and sighting in for my second shot I noticed that the sight now looked off in the opposite direction, after my second shot I reached up and wiggled the front sight and decided to clear the pistol and have one of our numerous Glock armorers tighten and lock-tite the site in place. I have shot front sights loose on my previous pistol and due to the nature of the indoor concrete range I have managed to have that front sight re-installed three times, on gravel it would be a lot more expensive...

I finished the day with a loaner Gen 2 17 so it was great to be able to compare and contrast them. I still say that the Gen 5 is overall better in my subjective opinion. But I am looking for another Gen 2 to add to the stable as I recently bought a Gen 1 17 at of all places Cabelas and I figure that one of each generation to shoot and compare might be a bit fun.

I've been shooting primarily 100 grain Winchester Frangible Lead-Free ammunition with a minor amount of Remington 101 grain Disintegrator Jacketed Lead-Free as stocks were almost completely depleted when I began using my new pistol. I had one student remark to me that he was told by a gunstore commando that the Gen 5 uses a proprietary magazine and there is no commonality with older generations of pistols. I've used every gen of drop-free magazine that I own through the pistol with no issues, I will eventually go through my range gear and find some (serviceable) gen 1 non-drop-free mags to try but I doubt there will be an issue. Even though all I did to the pistol out of the box was confirm that the barrel was free and clear of obstructions everything about the pistol is running smooth and I'm still Very Very Happy with my purchase.

I'll try to remember to post more as I continue to track my rounds, and will probably clean and lube it at 2500 rounds.

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

Another update to my use and happiness with my Gen 5 17. I know it hasn't been a complete month but I'm not scheduled to work until after labor day and I have continued to use only issued range ammo with my pistol so no shooting (of this pistol) until after the holiday. So far I am at 3474 (+/-) rounds downrange. Since my last post the only ammo I have fired is the  90 grain and 100 grain Winchester Ranger Frangible Lead-Free ammunition. I continue to have no malfunctions of any kind. I have endeavored to record every round put down range but since I am capable of putting 18 rounds into a 17 round Glock mag I cannot be 100 percent positive of every single round. 

I cleaned the pistol at 2635 rounds downrange. This is from a pistol that did not receive any attention or lubricant before I shot it. Although I was tempted to keep shooting the pistol dirty until it failed I didn't want that to be in front of students while I was performing a demonstration. You can explain until you are blue in the face that "I was conducting an experiment" but primacy of learning would be that the instructor's Glock Gen 5 couldn't make it through a drill...

A good cleaning didn't take that long and while I find the frangible ammo to be a bit dirtier than standard lead ammo no serious scrubbing was needed. Aside from punching the barrel only a military toothbrush and rag were used to get rid of the layer of crust. I lubed with Slip 2000 (from the Book of Pat) and have continued to be Very Very Happy with my purchase. I will begin to conduct the recoil spring test at the start of every day and report when my pistol ultimately fails the test. As the ammo I am using is a bit on the spicy side of velocity I am concerned about the stress I am putting on it. The 100 grain is advertised at 1300 fps by Winchester and no info is given by them as to the 90 grain ammo but Midway USA states the muzzle velocity at 1325 fps.  Winchester 124 grain lead 9mm ammunition is advertised at 1130 fps. I'm concerned about the stress on the slide as I don't want to prematurely retire another Glock slide.

While using my first gen non-drop free mags two of four gave normal results. One of the remaining two would not seat with 17 rounds without the slide being to the rear (but worked just fine once it was seated) this was as it was being inserted and not when it was bottoming out against the slide. The other would not allow the slide to go forward without using the slide catch to send it forward on reloads. I could rack that slide back all I wanted and it JUST SAT THERE TO THE REAR. As these gen 1 magazines are at least 18 years old I cannot blame them for getting a little tired in their old age. They were in my range box because I already knew not to trust them for carry.

I'm still running about 150 rounds through the pistol every day that I teach and I'll keep tracking my ammo and will now clean every 1000 rounds downrange. I'll give a report either next month or when I hit 5000 rounds.

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

Pat_E posted:

Any more feedback on these?  Is the juice worth the squeeze?  I'm still considering Gen 4 G19 vs. Gen 5 G19.

My Reserve Commander just picked up a G5 G19. My take on the factory G5 trigger is that it is better than my "-" connecter and G3 Apex trigger in my G4 G22. I was very impressed with the G5 factory trigger considering it is a striker fired poly gun.

It made me think hard about picking up a G5 G19X. I am not real impressed with the G4 series.

Another quick update to my use of the Gen 5 17.

I now have +- 4596 rounds downrange, with no malfunctions or issues to report. Using exclusively issued 90 or 100 grain Winchester Ranger 9mm Luger +P Frangible Lead Free ammo. This pistol is boringly reliable and accurate. Just got done cleaning it and it was with no issues to report, and I'm starting to get some of the usual finish wear in high-contact areas. No issues to report on the recoil spring test as it is still working as designed.

The trigger still appears to me to be as crisp in breaking as when new, no changes in that area of operation.

I'd like to say I'm shooting it as often as I was when I first bought it but I'm shooting a few other pistols at work including two different FrankenGlocks, one with a Trijicon RMR 3.5 and one without a dot installed to see the differences. On Flashback Fridays I'm either carrying my Kimber TLE RL II or Beretta 92FS. So I haven't been shooting it exclusively. When I do have it at work and teaching I'm still shooting about 150 plus rounds a day.

All told, I'm still Very, Very happy with my purchase.

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

With the intent of building two guns specifically for the new Aimpoint ACRO P1 pistol red dot sight I bought two GLOCK 45 9mm’s today.  They are basically an entirely new gun from previous Glock pistols.  So far, I am impressed.  Range sessions will confirm things.   I doubt they will replace my Langdon PX4CC for carry , and I am shooting at a level I have not shot at in 25 plus years with my LTT Beretta 92 Elite, but....should be interesting with the red dots to see how I adapt.

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Dagga Boy posted:

With the intent of building two guns specifically for the new Aimpoint ACRO P1 pistol red dot sight I bought two GLOCK 45 9mm’s today.  They are basically an entirely new gun from previous Glock pistols.  So far, I am impressed.  Range sessions will confirm things.   I doubt they will replace my Langdon PX4CC for carry , and I am shooting at a level I have not shot at in 25 plus years with my LTT Beretta 92 Elite, but....should be interesting with the red dots to see how I adapt.

You & 5th gen w/ Acro’s why am I not surprised but given ya’lls long history w/ AP it’s too be expected. Might I be a TAD envious, that’d be a safe bet.

That said I need to mosey over to the MetroMess, not sure I can wait till  the 25 Nov. HITs SG class though, hmmm ............ 

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MG in TX posted:
Dagga Boy posted:

With the intent of building two guns specifically for the new Aimpoint ACRO P1 pistol red dot sight I bought two GLOCK 45 9mm’s today.  They are basically an entirely new gun from previous Glock pistols.  So far, I am impressed.  Range sessions will confirm things.   I doubt they will replace my Langdon PX4CC for carry , and I am shooting at a level I have not shot at in 25 plus years with my LTT Beretta 92 Elite, but....should be interesting with the red dots to see how I adapt.

You & 5th gen w/ Acro’s why am I not surprised but given ya’lls long history w/ AP it’s too be expected. Might I be a TAD envious, that’d be a safe bet.

That said I need to mosey over to the MetroMess, not sure I can wait till  the 25 Nov. HITs SG class though, hmmm ............ 

Glocktoberfest at GT Distributors is next weekend....

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Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

I didn’t do real well by my standards shooting the G45, but that is likely due to spending so much time shooting the Berettas.  My wife did really well with it.  They shoot good.  I think I am on the right track of making these dedicated red dot guns and having the Berettas as dedicated appendix carry guns.  

If you like Glocks, the G45 is the one.

"If I had a Grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton"

Let those who love the LORD hate evil. The one who guards the lives of his godly ones will rescue them from the power of wicked people. Psalms 97:10 Trooper Troy Duncan-EOW 5-19-84 Deputy Erik Jon Telen-EOW 8-21-2001

6,873 rounds now down range and the only thing to report is that there is nothing new to report.

The Gen 5 is working as advertised and while I would love to go on and on about how well this pistol is working I'm pretty sure that my earlier glowing posts tell the story already.

I'll post a follow-up in about another month, and I'm still Very, Very Happy with my purchase.

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

Previously my best shot group with glock was about 6 inches. Not to me=ntions always shooting left and low. Yesterday I put two mags worth of AE147FP thru a G45  some shots were a few inches out but I also had one massive large hole. Also other than 1 flyer, the left and low has disappeared. 

Steve, how far were you from the target for that shot group? I've managed one hole six shot groups from seven yards with my Gen 5. And I agree that the low left issues I have with earlier generations of Glocks and FrankenGlocks have seem to have gone away. I have done well with earlier Glocks but never managed to get a one holer further than about five yards, six inch groups for me usually started to happen at about ten plus yards.

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

End-of-the-year update.

It's now at 7700 rounds downrange. Speer Lawman RHT 100 grain has entered the mix as the new ammo at the range. Still just keeps going bang and not causing any issues.

I'm still tracking rounds and will continue to update, I just don't think much is going to change in the overall reliability of the pistol for a good long while.

Willy V

 

Joined: March 18 2008 Location: Beervana AKA Oregon

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