good 2nd line for jungle

TUAEITS posted:

Hey guys been following what yall have been putting up and just got back from the field. Been through several iterations of the belt kit. Starting with the beltminus V2, Moving on to ponying up the cash for the mayflower. Ended up using the beltminus belt with the mayflower harness and mayflower pouches. Only thing I had to add on then was an ifak. Started with a chinook med one and switched to the ATS litelok because it held a tourniquet more securely and fit the belt kit size profile a bit better. Only thing I havent found a great thing for was the radio pouch. I have the blue force gear one but I dont like the way it carries the radio. Might try out one from AWS inc but not sure yet. Belt kit

Made some small changes along the way. Bungees on the mag pouches and a few other things. Love the ATS ifak though, able to buckle down a tourniquet so it's outside the tear off pouch but still very secure. Whistle got ripped off a while ago, So adding a whistle and wanted to find a way to secure my esee-4 to my left shoulder. I think the mayflower mag pouches could be improved if a plastic strip was added to the mouth of the pouch just to hold it open, Tac reloads would be substantially faster if that was done. Biggest thing I see to this setup it how the pouches and harness interface. Between the buttpack, nalgene pouches, and mag pouches it can weigh a fair amount. But with the harness directly suspending the weight it makes it very comfortable. Havent had an issue with rucking on it, actually very comfortable with both the 1606 frame and mystery ranch frame. Molle 2 ruck is really long though and sits on the buttpack. 

Holds a total of 6 mags, 2 nalgene's with titanium cup, 1 ifak, 1 mbitr, and normal small things I keep on my second line. CLP, Spare set of batteries, small tube of bug spray, camo, and headlamp. Gives me more than enough room more sustainment for a day, snivel, camo for the surv site or anything else I decide is need. Two deficiences I have though are the ability to hold any other mags than m4 mags (not really an issue for me right now), and carrying smoke grenades. Was thinking of putting them on the space in front but right now I can get directly in the prone with the way it is and don't really want to change that. Possibly somewhere on the shoulder I could find space for one. 

Diz I like those tuck tab pouches, You think you would be able to sew a version just like the mayflower's but with that securing method?

Also first time posting pictures so apologize if it's all fuckered.

OK, I wonder if you could save a bit of room on the belt: with the waterbottle pouches, thread the rearwards strap to the side of the bumpack & the forward one normally to the belt.?

While looking at my Alice LBE and fiddling with putting together a more modern set up I've noticed that the attachment points on the Alice pouches are more inboard and those on the MOLLE pouches are pushed out to the sides. On my ALICE kit this enabled me to shove the attachment points up against one another, getting rid of any extra space between the pouches when worn (curved around a waist)- this also prevents the kit from laying flat anymore as the pouches are too close together to do so when loaded. This enabled me to fit my butt pack, a gallon of water, 4 mag pouches and compass pouch on my 34" waist. Does that make sense? If not I'll go take some photos to better illustrate.

No I'm tracking with ya.  This is something I've run into while trying to direct sew pouches onto a belt.  I am looking at a similar technique that will sew them down basically where the ALICE clips used to be, versus along the edges where molle hangers are.  This allows the curvature you're referring to, which allows you to fit more pouches.     

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

OK went out for some land nav and patrolling practice with a couple of guys getting ready for Ranger School.  Good training.  We all took 1K turns as point, compass man, pace, and tail gunner.   Awesome time and Shoobe's pace beads worked great.

Tried out prototype belt kit and it was pretty comfortable.  Notice mag pouches are set back to hips so you can take a knee.  Also 3 sustainment pouches around back, and Yote pack with radio pouch on the side.  About 30 lbs all up.  Belt and suspenders worked well; pouches rode good.  These were all modified Jay Jay's molle kit; the next one will be sewn down.

Notice how multicam works well in Carolina woodlands in winter.  Ghillie head rag, flight gloves, and Lowa boots.

My quads are fried today.  Humping up and down those fingers and draws.  But I hung with the youngsters.

I'll get some more pics later.           

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

“We”? Something tells me I’m about to get some good living.

I like how you got the mag pouches behind the hips. My beltminus I’m not able to get the mag pouches pushed back the way I would like thus messing with my stride. Got any pictures of the rig? 

I'll get more pics up when I can.  The trick I think is to cut the belt pads like the Brits do.  (You know I keep saying Brits but it's really all Commonwealth troops, although that sounds rather clunky.  Help me out here.  Other English-speakers, Anglo-Saxons, Evil White Colonists.)  By cutting the pad short, it forces you to mount the pouches where they need to be, rather than be tempted to spread things out around front.

I gotta say, running a 7" belt pad is lots more comfy than a std padded belt.  By a lot.  That was prolly the best rig I've ever run.  I'm having a hard time thinking about what it felt like because I didn't think about it at all on patrol.  I was worried the wider belts would feel more like a girdle but that wasn't the case.  Zero restriction of movement.

On a related note, the current ACU's have shit chest pockets so I ran the compass in a small pouch on the belt, just in front of the mag pouches, with no issues.  Gonna have to mod these jackets one day.  

On another related note, gonna throw the DG-3 on next time and do the deed.     

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

Diz posted:

I'll get more pics up when I can.  The trick I think is to cut the belt pads like the Brits do.  (You know I keep saying Brits but it's really all Commonwealth troops, although that sounds rather clunky.  Help me out here.  Other English-speakers, Anglo-Saxons, Evil White Colonists.)  By cutting the pad short, it forces you to mount the pouches where they need to be, rather than be tempted to spread things out around front.

I gotta say, running a 7" belt pad is lots more comfy than a std padded belt.  By a lot.  That was prolly the best rig I've ever run.  I'm having a hard time thinking about what it felt like because I didn't think about it at all on patrol.  I was worried the wider belts would feel more like a girdle but that wasn't the case.  Zero restriction of movement.

On a related note, the current ACU's have shit chest pockets so I ran the compass in a small pouch on the belt, just in front of the mag pouches, with no issues.  Gonna have to mod these jackets one day.  

On another related note, gonna throw the DG-3 on next time and do the deed.     

...theCanucks, Aussies and Kiwis just call the Brits... Poms

 

 

Just completed a set of Mayflower/Velocity mag pouches, with tuck tab mods.  Came out well and will be testing shortly.  Also put tuck tabs on three Jay Jays sustainments, so it's a real kit bash now.

Working on another set of me own 3-mag pouches with tabs.  Gonna test out all this trash with 3", 5", and 8" belts.  Also have M/V, Jay Jays, and me own style shoulder straps to go with them.  

I have to say up front that the newer, lighter stuff just seems "flimsy" to me, although that is purely a first impression.  Time will tell.    

"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine where a person claims all the benefits of the body politic, without any of the responsibilities, and then claims a halo for their dishonesty." Heinlein

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