good 2nd line for jungle

Hey I'm glad someone brought this one back up to the top.  Lots of good info here.  Between V/M belt kit and Crossfire rucks, you have significant improvements to old school LBE.  Add in the new jungle clothing and boots and off you go. 

Looks like a MACV-SOG layout, out of one of Plaster's books.  They didn't carry much more than "Stuff to kill with" and "Stuff to keep me alive with".  In Plaster's books, he talks about the LBE typically being heavier than rucks, with the exception of the radio operator (mission dependent of course, if they were going to blow something up, and were carrying 40-60lbs of C4 and everything that goes with it, then of course all the rucks were heavy).  The coolest thing about MACV-SOG, is that everyone could personalize their equipment as they saw fit.  Where as a standard Division or Corps would have all kinds of SOPs (dealing with the majority of the in country cherries, this would make sense), MACV-SOG had very little "Regimented" or standardized.


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Google found me a (slightly) bigger one

From here: https://www.zhihu.com/question/60583078 they also had some other photos. What the hell is this? 

 

 

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For footwear I use the Lowa elite jungle boots almost year round.  Comfortable with amazing moisture wicking and ventilation properties.  I upgraded to the superfeet insoles just cause my heel fit was a bit weird on them and they are one of the most comfortable boots I own.  For winter I use them inside the insulated Neos overboots.  I prefer the overboots as they add more grip with the stabilitrack system (removable studs) as well as providing a waterproof shell with ankle support that our issued mukluks lack.  In spring and fall I typically wear the Lowa combat boots when that system is a bit of an overkill.  

I’m pretty disappointed with our new issues uniforms, as they did a poor job knocking off the American ACU pattern, and making it a heavier less breathable fabric.  The old style was very breathable and quick drying, as well didn’t absorb as much water weighing you down like the new ones.  

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Oh yeah, translated the page. Brief caption but the page agrees it's SKS stuff. Also, what the hell is this thing? 

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I'd never seen that one, I guess not old enough.

Also it looks like he's stuffed 20 round M16 mags into it. Which is what it's captioned as FWIW. You can't do that with the later 40 mm vests, can you? 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

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I'm probably completely wrong then, wouldn't be the first time.


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Page is purportedly VN era stuff to about that point, but I also think the color of the photo and some other things are odd. 

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Cytez posted:

Looks like a MACV-SOG layout, out of one of Plaster's books.  They didn't carry much more than "Stuff to kill with" and "Stuff to keep me alive with".  In Plaster's books, he talks about the LBE typically being heavier than rucks, with the exception of the radio operator (mission dependent of course, if they were going to blow something up, and were carrying 40-60lbs of C4 and everything that goes with it, then of course all the rucks were heavy).  The coolest thing about MACV-SOG, is that everyone could personalize their equipment as they saw fit.  Where as a standard Division or Corps would have all kinds of SOPs (dealing with the majority of the in country cherries, this would make sense), MACV-SOG had very little "Regimented" or standardized.

It’s funny how when dealing with experienced grownups that a lot of the regimental fluff can be dropped when inappropriate

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22F posted:
Cytez posted:

The coolest thing about MACV-SOG, is that everyone could personalize their equipment as they saw fit.  Where as a standard Division or Corps would have all kinds of SOPs (dealing with the majority of the in country cherries, this would make sense), MACV-SOG had very little "Regimented" or standardized.

It’s funny how when dealing with experienced grownups that a lot of the regimental fluff can be dropped when inappropriate

Like mandatory angle head flash lights on suspender strap (day and night) and white sash cord rope for making  a swiss seat hanging/swinging off the webbing.  I always admired the US ability to make every soldier exactly the same and uniform...while also shaking my head at how inflexible they were.  This obsessive uniformity seems to have relaxed somewhat since 9/11.

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Ive seen quite a few photos of guys with the bandoleer for 5.56 rounds rigged like that.  Not to unusual to see photos of SOG guys running a full LCE plus a chest rig with more ammo.  

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Those guys were able to do alot with the rucks of the time.  The tropical rucks, CISO and ARVN rucks were all pretty small.

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The picture I posted is a MACV-SOG load out.  In regards to second line gear, it shows a "STABO" rig, which was basically a parachute harness with delta rings for jungle extraction.  The leg straps were folded and rubber-banded up until needed.  A pistol belt was fitted to it, with 4 x canteen pouches for 20-rd mags.  I think you could get 7 mags in there (six across, and one laid on top).  So four pouches would give you 28 mags, or some combination with smoke and frags.  Usually more pouches around back for 1 qt canteens, and E&E kit.  Notice water pur tabs taped to cap straps.  Yes they did like their frags.    

Diz posted:

Some more pics of our Commonwealth cousins.  Note how the canteens were worn much farther forward with chest webbing.

 

The first pic is from Rhodesia the second is of SADF Recces both are in Africa. Africa always seemed "dryer" to me compared to Asia, especially in the wet season. 

I experimented a little with chest rig and LBV in a SEA jungle, while I found both to be a little more comfortable than my webbing they trap more sweat next to your body and weren't worth it in my opinion.  Having said that I only ever got prickly heat under body armour in afghan.

IIRC that last pic is from a photoshoot put out by https://www.varusteleka.com/en 

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