GSG-5 (.22lr MP5 clone)

I saw the airsoft ones, but also one or two specifically for the firearm version. Obviously it isn't a part I need to be bombproof or that is going to save my life (if I'm stuck with the GSG when the zombies come, send help)

I'm hoping to get one of the ones made for the actual GSG, but I don't want to spend the $75 or so on something I haven't consulted the LF on the internet machine first. Yeah, I'm that stingy.

 

 

 

 

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Originally posted by LobsterClaw0351:
Large bump, I know. Searched, this is what came up.


Does anyone have any experience with the collapsible (not the foldable) butt stock some companies (including ATI themselves, I think) were selling for the GSG-5P? (NOT the GSG-5PK, the middle one: sold as a pistol, but not the shortest version) I'm talkin the buttstock with two rails that slides over the groves in the reciever.

I mean as in which one is worth spending the average $75 bucks on that I've seen for these. Yes I know that will make it an SBR, and yes I have the paperwork submitted. No I won't actually be buying it until I have the paperwork back, or I'll have a buddy buy it on his credit card and keep it at his house.

I imagine you know that a strawman purchase is frowned upon by certain 3 letter agency, so I am guessing you mention it to test the LF watch your back /don't do stupid things network. Take care Robbie

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Strawman purchases only apply to the firearm itself, not accessories. Having a friend buy a collapsible stock and store it at his house is not a strawman purchase, it is just smart.

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I read where ATF made a ruling declaring the fake "suppresor" that comes with it was deemed uncool, so you are supposed to send it back and have it replaced with something that meets their approval.
It has to do with the "can" that comes with it has a inner tube that is relatively close to the same diameter of the bore, and the replacement doesn't. Watevah.
Well the Navy said I could read and comprehend at at least an 8th grade level I guess I took it he was buying the firearm and holding it till he got the paperwork.I'll give myself a little extra work on reading comprehension.

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My fiancée (thank you 3P051) had a GSG-5 and we put one of the ATI or whatever collapsing stocks on it. It was okay, but it only has three adjust points; in, full out, and just barely out. If it had another adjust point in the middle it would have been better. Yes you could get a machine shop or someone with the proper tools to give you another notch to do so. For me, I just preferred the solid stock, as it gave a much better cheek weld.

In the end we ended up selling it, and getting a S&W M&P15-22. The GSG-5 was fun to shoot, but with the cheap assed ammo we have been running through the rest of our 22s it was unreliable. After about 250-300 rounds it would start jamming, bad. I mean like one in two rounds would not extract. A good cleaning reset it back to normal, but that is a bitch of a gun to clean. Now that you can actually find federal bulk pack on the selves again, it might work better for you than it did for me.

The ammo we were using, and almost out of now, was Centurion .22 that I got from Palmetto when .22 was scarce. Yes it is cheap and dirty, and I wouldn't recommend using it in your GSG-5. We also liked the ergonomics and feel of the M&P22-15 more.

Either way, enjoy your plinker and have fun.

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No worries, you're not too far gone yet. Look what radiation did to Jimmy Carter!

Just to get it correct Jimmy Carter NEVER served on a Nuclear submarine so I don't believe his issue is radiation related. Smile

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sub- I appreciate the covering fire (especially among Mainers), but I checked it out first to make sure that didn't apply to the stock. I already own the GSG, but I think the law says something about not possessing the parts and pieces to convert to SBR/auto/whateva until you have the paperwork.

I've known of some people who just lock their SBR AR upper in one safe with no lowers, and their lowers-awaiting-SBR-paperwork in their other safe. That gives me the shivers, so I'm being extra careful, even on something minor like a GSG.

Dan- Agreed on the FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT BITCH ASS cleaning for this thing. I wish I'd waited for the M&P15-22, but I was caught up in fake-HK cool factor. After I took it apart the first time...not so cool. I'll probably never fully disassemble it again, worse comes to worse I'll just soak it in solvent or something.

Thanks all for the info, sorry to resurrect such an old thread for something small like a friggin' GSG buttstock.

 

 

 

 

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Revival!

Does anyone know where I might find the "end cap" used with a collapsable "Navy Style" stock on my GSG-5P?

I broke the "adjustment knob" on mine due to the Maine cold making the plastic brittle. I don't want to spend $75 or somethin on a whole new one.... But I did invest the $200 for SBR tax stamp so I don't want to waste that money by not replacing the buttstock.

It's an annoying part to break. Any leads would be helpful. I don't know where the stock was originally purchased so I can't call the manufacturer.

 

 

 

 

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Totally missed this thread the first time around.

Can you still get these? I mean the suppressed version from Gem?

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Double revivallllllll. The MP-5 clone thread in 9mm and Rimfire Rigs have both caused me to dig the GSG-5P out of the back of the gun room. 

Since this thread was alive, I have acquired the SilencerCo Sparrow suppressor. The problem with this frigging GSG-5P (maybe GSG-522 these days because of the lawsuit thing they had going on?) is that thread adaptors seem IMPOSSIBLE to find. The one I did find was $75 and people didn't seem super pumped about it. 

In case you don't know, the GSG-5P has female threads inside the "gas block" about an inch behind the muzzle. The stock flash hider has male threads that screw into there. The muzzle itself is bare and I'm told is too thin of a profile for suppressor threading. So adaptors (like Gemtech made at one point) screw into the female threads on the gas block and feature male 1/2-28 threads at the muzzle end to facilitate mounting the suppressors. 

 

I emailed American Tactical Imports (GSG importer) to ask about the adaptor they used to sell. I received a reply that this adaptor "should work" https://gemtech.com/gsg-ak-47-adapter.html

At a glance, it DOES look like the proper setup for the GSG. I've emailed Gemtech to ask, but impatient. 

 

Part 2 of this revival is I never did fix the broken retractable buttstock, and now plan to replace it with a fixed stock to avoid the same problem. I never shot it collapsed really anyway, so it didn't make much sense to have the collapsible capability. 

 

 

SUMMARY: Anybody know anything about the suppressor adaptors to speak definitively, and anybody got a line on a GSG fixed stock sitting in some parts bin someplace or can recommend one?  

 

 

 

 

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Disclaimer - Relates to a 9.0-inch barrel in what started life as a 'rifle', now SBR'ed

I have the 3-lug style with the end that is treaded 1/2-28. This adapter is stepped inside so the 9-inch barrel butts into that internal step, holding everything in place. The issue I have is the male threads on the adapter are slightly off so the adapter will not screw all the way into the female threads on the gas block (gold anti-seize in photo). The classic thread-pitch-is-slightly-off feel. I have not been messing with it in forever, but as I pulled it out of the safe for the photo (thanks for the inspiration), I will start working again on getting it to fit (hell I paid the Tax, I should use it).

I am not sure who made my adapter (I bought years ago), but it was around $50 with no markings. I would think if the Gemtech works (aka-screws into the gas block) that would be the way to go. BTW- the link you have is for the GSG AK22, and that does look different on the side that goes into the gas block. I don't know if the GSG5P (pistols) are set-up different then the rifles in that area?

I bought this gun as it had both stocks, a zillion mags, included the 110 round mag (I've never shot it with that mag) and a bunch of spare parts. For some reason, it had the conversion kit to convert a GSG522 into the GSG5, but it is a GSG5 to start with, so why the kit, I don't know but extra stuff is always good. The sliding stock is pretty wobbly, so I used the fixed stock for shooting and the sliding stock for climbing through air conditioning ducts ala John McClane.

The stocks look pretty close to the 'real' MP5 stocks. I have not had one of those in a long time, but it seems one should work?

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Update- researching on the internet, mine is a ProMag. So be forwarded, if you can find one of those, it will require some hand fitting by you or by your friends in Darra Adam Khel

Update2- In review, I don't think the Gemtech AK22 adapter will work. I got my 'rifle' before the pistol version was available and the barrel I bought was an 'SBR barrel' as no 'pistols' existed yet.  But unless the pistol version is much different, the AK22 adapter will not work. If you need any measurements, other photos, etc, just PM me.

Close-up (blue tape is the distance the barrel slides into the adapter)

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You the man. I know the link I've got is for the AK, since that's what the ATI customer service guy sent. Hence my hesitation because even $45 + another $40 or so for stock replacement, suddendly I'm back into this gun for more money than I really to be if that AK one doesn't work. 

 

Thanks for all the info, I don't think ProMag is making theirs anymore. It seems like aftermarket support for these things really dried up fast, which is curious because they are fun and cheap to shoot. 

 

It must be legal issues or something but as an aside, I'd think replica .22's of pretty much anything would sell well. Or kits to convert 10/22's into cooler stuff. Like where is the kit to take a 10/22 and make it look like a M249, or MP-7, etc etc. I suspect licensing/legalities but damn.

 

 

 

 

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I emailed the ATI rep again asking for confirmation about the Gemtech adaptor. He replied very quickly:

"We know it has worked in the past for other customers and this product comes highly recommended in the industry."

 

Guess I'll try it out and/or wait for Gemtech to reply and see what they say. I miss @kel around here for times like these! 

 

 

 

 

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"Guess I'll try it out and/or wait for Gemtech to reply and see what they say. I miss @kel around here for times like these!"

 

.... Especially with no reply from Gemtech after 2 tries.... Guess I could try the phone! 

 

 

 

 

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FYI, Kel is no longer with Gemtech and has not been for awhile.

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