Gunsite Police Marlin 1894

I thought there was a thread about these in the past, but couldn’t find it.   I remember reading about them in the 1980’s.    As I recall, they were the Colonel’s idea for a politically correct patrol rifle (but we got the Marlin Camp Carbine instead) and made by the smiths at Gunsite.     Does anyone have any more information about them?    Asking as I may become the steward of one.  Working on the provenance, but am told it was purchased from a retired federal agent.   And since this thread is worthless without pics:

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Nice.

My partner and I carried 45/70s under an old Sheriff back in The Day.

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Mid 90s era is my best recollection. I was a student not on staff then. 

There were several package guna done in that time frame. 

There is a lever gun class on the schedule now. With some states getting sooper stupid on ARs, knowing how to use a lever gun, pump gun, or a seni auto shotgun may well make a tremendous amount of sense. Getting people interested in that is another story.

I knew he referred to a .30-30 as a Brooklyn assault rifle,  i don't remember seeing one specifically built for it. David R Clay built some he'd probably have approved of in the early 2000s...

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MrMurphy posted:

I knew he referred to a .30-30 as a Brooklyn assault rifle,  i don't remember seeing one specifically built for it. David R Clay built some he'd probably have approved of in the early 2000s...

Yep, I remember reading about that also but just as the Brooklyn Special lever gun. Don't recall the magazine. Not sure if it was a concept or reality but I believe it was to answer NYC Mayor Do Nothing Dinkins passing there own AWB in the 5 boroughs. Soooo much safer in NYC after that! That being said, I recall the article about it and all lever guns in general ,was focused on all the non-permissive areas ("no a-salt guns with shoulder thingy")  in the US. Looks cool too!

That is damn awesome and if things go completely to shit, the past may be the future years from now.  But so I can beat the rush, I'm skipping levers and going right to a full custom flintlock carbine (less then 6 feet long) that JOJOs is making for me.    And a Robar NP3 coated spear for close in work.

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Cory Trapp at Gunsite would likely be a good person to reach out to.  I am betting he could give you more details.

I have a Marlin 336Y in 30-30 set up almost exactly like yours.  I also have a Winchester 94 Trapper in .357 with a 16.5" barrel. Both are handy and light, and useful when I travel to CA, NY and IL.

I carry them in a simple Mossy Oak case with a buffalo leather sling.  They look just like Grandpa's old lever gun.  

And it help's that I'm a grandpa. 

Chief Deputy Lee Weems in Georgia offers a really good lever gun class.  He has been known to handle ne'er-do-well's with the aforementioned rifles.  Great guy, rock-solid instructor.  I have been in classes with him.  He's also a member here, but I cannot recall his screen name.

I can’t speak to what Gunsite did, but several years ago I had Brockman rifles out of Idaho mod a Marlin .45-70 guide gun for me.    The goal was for a compact, politically less evil rifle I could take any where.  Similar in concept to what Gunsite is doing/did.   Mine is basically a Brockman guide package and it’s a rifle I’ll never sell.    If MN goes the way of the coastal states banning semi autos I’d have Brockmans work up a lever action in .357mag for me

http://www.brockmansriflesDOTc.../lever-action-rifles

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Damn, wish I'd never opened this thread or hit the Brockman's site.  I can feel the gun fund shrinking! 

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Still cannot find a thing about this. Browsing what I can of Cooper writings and the API list when I was a subscriber in the late 90s/early-00s, I find nothing.

Now, everyone remembers the Co-Pilot, right? Jim West, mod of the Marlin, eventually with many more custom parts (vs Marlin), and in something called .457 WWG magnum instead of the .45-70. But, a takedown. 

MAYBE, it was a Jim West gun? I cannot find anything on his site quite like it, and even the rear sight is not identical. But maybe it'll stir another memory or someone else can search better. 

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I've always wanted a lever gun but could never justify it since I have no use. This thread doesn't help. Nor does the other thread from the Australian guy who has modded his Marlin with a M-Lok rail and basically made it extra badass. If IL keeps going the way it is I'll have to invest in one when all but my duty rifle fall off a boat somewhere. Although IL's current proposal basically bans everything that isn't a flintlock (includes semi auto shotguns even). But man are Marlins a thing of beauty.

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I had a .44 Marlin at the 1st LF hog hunt.  XS sights. A better trigger and way to mount a light, small piece of pic rail would have been the only future mods. Traded it to Hasher. 

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shadow93 posted:

I've always wanted a lever gun but could never justify it since I have no use. This thread doesn't help. Nor does the other thread from the Australian guy who has modded his Marlin with a M-Lok rail and basically made it extra badass. If IL keeps going the way it is I'll have to invest in one when all but my duty rifle fall off a boat somewhere. Although IL's current proposal basically bans everything that isn't a flintlock (includes semi auto shotguns even). But man are Marlins a thing of beauty.

Mick Brown (22F) is the Ozzie.  Also,  Midwest Industries makes an M-Lok forend for the Marlin 1895, 1894 and 336.

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Well, I didn’t get to bring it home with me... yet.   It was purchased from a retired DEA agent in Maui, who I believe was the original owner.   My brother is working on the provenance for it.   He has come into a few very cool and unique weapons over the years and has a couple stored in my safe.

As far as mods, sights, SLICK action / trigger job, parkerizing, and a Galco butt cuff.   I didn’t get to shoot it, but oiled it up.

I called dibs already.   I have a bunch of .44 mag ammo to destroy and a S&W 629-3 5” Classic from the custom shop to help with that.

 

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Jay Smith posted:

I called dibs already.   I have a bunch of .44 mag ammo to destroy and a S&W 629-3 5” Classic from the custom shop to help with that.

Sounds like a match made in Heaven, a handgun you can fight your way to your rifle with AND they share the same ammo.

I love my stock 1894 but one massaged by the gunsmithy at Gunsite would be something to behold.

Did someone mention me?

 

My two at the moment:

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The Mistress has been discussed previously.

The Cheerleader is in .38Spl/.357Magnum setup in the same way as the Mistress was before my forearm project commenced. 

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Now, everyone remembers the Co-Pilot, right? Jim West, mod of the Marlin, eventually with many more custom parts (vs Marlin), and in something called .457 WWG magnum instead of the .45-70. But, a takedown. 

MAYBE, it was a Jim West gun? I cannot find anything on his site quite like it, and even the rear sight is not identical. But maybe it'll stir another memory or someone else can search better. 

Your Google-Fu is weak: https://www.wildwestguns.com/custom-guns/ak-co-pilot/

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I also want to purchase a Marlin Lever Action Rifle. Hauck Waffenbau does some nice mods for us here in Germany. There seems to be a surprisingly big market for them here, scroll down for pics:

https://www.hauck-waffenbau.ne...was-ich-machen-kann/

 

 

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I meant I could not find anything quite like the OP gun on WWG. Not takedown, sights are different, etc. 

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According to a poster on the Scout Rifle Forums with the handle Cousin Bongo, who apparently has an extensive history with Gunsite / Col Cooper; this is a photo of a  Gunsite Training Center brouchure from the 1991-1995 time period.   C068DCD9-50B2-47AA-BD43-023C2FE812BB

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Got to watch out for those "assault carbines."

Thread on it: https://thefiringline.com/foru...owthread.php?t=12385

...it is called the "Gunsite Police Rifle." After the FBI Miami Shootout in 1986, Cooper mused that the feds should have had rifles, not 12 pound sniper rifle with 20X scopes, but carbines. About the same time Morrison was running experiments on the "ancient" dirty thirty vs. weapons like the CKC or the Kashliclone. They found this system "ideal" for using a powerful weapon at pistol ranges.

I think it was Yost came up with the name for it, but not sure. Cooper has been enthusiastic about the lever gun in pistol caliber. He proclaimed it the "Brooklyn Special" after a student from Neeew Yorrrk.

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If I recall correctly, the pistol caliber lever actions are what Cooper refers to as "Kansas City Specials" and the 30-30 chambered ones are "Brooklyn Specials".

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a standard carbine, eiither the standard 20-inch 94, or to the shorter, 16-inch version, with a few minor refinements
1. Recoil pad added, not so much to tame the smashing energy of the .30-30 or .44 mag, but to avoid slipping around when hastily shouldered. Also, the heel and toe of the recoil pad were "turned," or rounded, to keep a sharp edge from catching on the upper garment.
2. "Ghost Ring" aperture rear sight fitted.\
3. Butt cuff ammo carrier added. The lace-on leather version is preferred, as the elastic/web number looses tension in fairly short order.
4. Sling attachments installed.

The result is a very handy, adequately powerful, slender, extremely quick little arm, without a bunch of weight-adding and snaggable stuff like pistol grip, magazine protruding from the bottom, and optical sights. The realm of aciton seems to be mainly from ten to 100 yards, but with the capablility of striking a decisive blow out to around 200. It was never conceived as a main battle rifle or a sniper rifle, but as a close combat arm, useful for fairly precise placement up close, but capable of good hits far beyond shotgun range. 

 

Other quick stuff found: 

"Some family members have asked us what is meant by 'GPR.' GPR is a Gunsite Police Rifle. It is a short-barreled, lever-action 30-30 equipped with ghost ring sights. It is far and away better for urban renewal than any sort of military weapon, and it is also, much cheaper. City managers take note."

Etc. Hmm.

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22F posted:

Did someone mention me?

 

My two at the moment:

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The Mistress has been discussed previously.

The Cheerleader is in .38Spl/.357Magnum setup in the same way as the Mistress was before my forearm project commenced. 

22F - what sling are you using on the .357?    

 

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