M4C's Grant Timberlake has some information, claims they should be out by July.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/i...t%20Sheet%20JUNE.pdf


 

Wonder if it'll be more conducive to MRDS mounting. MSRP is suppose to be 719 USD.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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I have been waiting oh so patiently for this, I just hope to God it takes P30 mags and fits P30 holsters!

 

....and reading the provided brochure it appears that it does and it will, I shall have one or several... 

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Originally Posted by rcbusmc24:

I have been waiting oh so patiently for this, I just hope to God it takes P30 mags and fits P30 holsters!

It takes P30 mags. Not so sure about the holsters, but I doubt it, since the P30 has a shorter barrel.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Only 10rds for me but oh yes, it shall be mine.  My precious.

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I have had mine for a few weeks now. It is ok. Think evolutionary, rather than revolutionary.

 

It's no 1911, but then it is not a Glock, either. By that I mean it feels good, and is accurate but on the other hand, it is reliable. The trigger pull is longer than expected, but there has been no drama otherwise.

 

Mine is in .40 Auto, so it doesn't directly compare, but it is decent. Enough so that I sent it off to get MultiCamed, and RMR'd.

 

Bottom Line, Consigliere is that you will find it to be worth the wait.

Originally Posted by Longeye:

Mine is in .40 Auto, so it doesn't directly compare, but it is decent. Enough so that I sent it off to get MultiCamed, and RMR'd.

Do you know if the RMR will need an adapter plate, or if it'll be like the M&P/Glock attachments, where only milling is needed? The P30 needs an adapter plate for the RMR, which is why I'm waiting for reviews on the Deltapoint Pro, but if the VP9 can mount an RMR without having to fuck around with an adapter, well, that decides a lot of things for me.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Originally Posted by Longeye:

I have no idea. This is an HK product so I just boxed it up with a couple of activated but unused credit cards and sent instructions.

Guys, please tell me you are not getting that Longeye is creating a disturbance in the net....  I have a crisp $100 bill if you can show me the "Mine is in .40 Auto, so it doesn't directly compare, but it is decent. Enough so that I sent it off to get MultiCamed, and RMR'd.".

 

Kind of funny though.....

 

 

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1) I'd love to see how this compares to the PPQ (probably the best striker trigger in the business right now)

 

2) I think...I like the charging supports on the rear of the slide.

 

3) At the bottom of that PDF there is a small green circle which appears to show "$719" and possibly MSRP just beneath it?  If that is the case, could HK actually be pursuing legitimate police contracts with this gun, let alone could we actually see a street-price on a HK around $630-650?  I have a hard time believing this so I must be seeing things.  Surely that's my bad eyes and small PDF.

 

 

Mind...blown...unless this is a late April Fool's Joke...

Looks like they're sticking with the stupid trigger guard trough. Fuck.

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Originally Posted by ElbowsNC:

1) I'd love to see how this compares to the PPQ (probably the best striker trigger in the business right now)

 

2) I think...I like the charging supports on the rear of the slide.

 

3) At the bottom of that PDF there is a small green circle which appears to show "$719" and possibly MSRP just beneath it?  If that is the case, could HK actually be pursuing legitimate police contracts with this gun, let alone could we actually see a street-price on a HK around $630-650?  I have a hard time believing this so I must be seeing things.  Surely that's my bad eyes and small PDF.

 

 

Mind...blown...unless this is a late April Fool's Joke...

Nope, it is real.  HK is gunning hard for the US LE market, and it is painfully obvious that they are going to have to compete on price as well as performance.  This took awhile to get right, and hopefully (and traditionally), they will not need multiple generations, upgrades, recalls, versions, etc. that have been common for the competition.   

 

In the past, it has been hard to justify a pistol for service use that is double the price.  It is going to be much easier to justify a pistol that is slightly more expensive, but does not need a "match barrel", special trigger components or a special aftermarket extractor.  

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Originally Posted by nyeti:
Originally Posted by Longeye:

I have no idea. This is an HK product so I just boxed it up with a couple of activated but unused credit cards and sent instructions.

Guys, please tell me you are not getting that Longeye is creating a disturbance in the net....  I have a crisp $100 bill if you can show me the "Mine is in .40 Auto, so it doesn't directly compare, but it is decent. Enough so that I sent it off to get MultiCamed, and RMR'd.".

 

Kind of funny though.....

 

 

Yeah.  He's hysterical. .40 Auto  Multicam was a tad over the top.  I vote to ban him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by nyeti:
Originally Posted by Longeye:

I have no idea. This is an HK product so I just boxed it up with a couple of activated but unused credit cards and sent instructions.

Guys, please tell me you are not getting that Longeye is creating a disturbance in the net....  I have a crisp $100 bill if you can show me the "Mine is in .40 Auto, so it doesn't directly compare, but it is decent. Enough so that I sent it off to get MultiCamed, and RMR'd.".

 

Kind of funny though.....

 

 

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In the brochure it looks like someone's kid got ahold of the left side of the ejection port with a file.  I wonder why they didn't clean those lines up a bit?
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Not sure what that yellow thingy is, but I suspect it's ruining my dream of an RMR mounted without needing an adapter plate:


Will have to talk to Mark Housel when this thing comes out. If the trigger is as sweet is it's rumored to be, I could get 2 VP9s for the price of 1 P30LS with a GreyGuns trigger job; would be losing out on the manual safety and hammer for holstering, though.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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I'm hoping for two things, before I can put away my Glocks:

1.  Dawson-quality adjustable rear sight and fiber optic front.

2.  Factory or QUALITY aftermarket extended mags.

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Originally Posted by Beren412:
2.  Factory or QUALITY aftermarket extended mags.

http://taylorfreelance.com/sho...o&products_id=61 are probably the closest thing you'll get. Unless you can convince them to do a jet-funnel-esque set up for the P30/VP9 (I'm assuming that's what you're wanting, and not the 150 USD 30 round magazines).

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Originally Posted by GNX:
Originally Posted by Consigliere:

Only 10rds for me but oh yes, it shall be mine.  My precious.

Ive been searching all over for 10rnd P30 in 9mm & .40 cal, where can they be found?

http://www.midwayusa.com/produ...9mm-luger-steel-blue

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc...739.htm#.U45bA_mwLTA

 

It's probably worth calling H&K USA and asking if they have any in stock, too; their prices are way better than HKparts usually, with reasonable shipping costs, too.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Originally Posted by MASSDRIVER:

Any thoughts on the slightly unconventional mag release, ala p30?

Brent.

Here, I am being serious. It works fine- it is the same design as the HK45 and some other have. While the mechanical motion is different then the push button USA norm, I find the movement to be more easily accomplished. In short, I prefer the HK take on the mag release lever.

Originally Posted by ElbowsNC:

1) I'd love to see how this compares to the PPQ (probably the best striker trigger in the business right now)


It's one of the best out of box pistol triggers period, even when compared to non-striker fired guns.  There is nothing currently in its price range that can compare in regards to trigger quality or accuracy, only triggers I've felt that are better were custom CZ's and highend/custom 1911's. 

The Walther PPQ m1 (aka PPQ Classic) & CZ P07/P09 are the best 9mm polymer pistols currently available.  However because they haven't been able to successfully tap into the LE market, and also because they don't capture the attention of the "tactitool" crowd... lower demand makes them difficult to get a hold of.

It might blow the Glock and M&P out of the water, but I seriously doubt HK will pull off a better executed design than Walther or CZ (although I would be happy if they did).

Originally Posted by Longeye:

Who is going to be distributing these? It would be nice to be on a wait list other than the VA one.

I thought you had one already.....why do you need a distributer?........

 

Thanks for the whole "I have had the .40 version for a few weeks".  It blew my phone up with inquiring minds want to know......  "Hey, a guy on Lightfighter already has one......".

 

Anyways.....I think the mag release is a positive, but I have been using those for most of my adult life, so to me they are "normal".

 

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Originally Posted by Longeye:
Originally Posted by nyeti:
Originally Posted by Longeye:

I have no idea. This is an HK product so I just boxed it up with a couple of activated but unused credit cards and sent instructions.

Guys, please tell me you are not getting that Longeye is creating a disturbance in the net....  I have a crisp $100 bill if you can show me the "Mine is in .40 Auto, so it doesn't directly compare, but it is decent. Enough so that I sent it off to get MultiCamed, and RMR'd.".

 

Kind of funny though.....

 

 

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Why is this acceptable behavior? WTF?

 

 

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One thing that I hope those wily Teutons figured out ahead of time is that they're going to need holsters that accomodate lights to sell these pistols to law enforcement.  I have wanted to use my P30 as a substitute duty pistol for years, but can't find a holster I like.  I hope they went to Safariland and got something going early.

 

Updated with I preordered one of the LE versions through one of the HK Pro group buys. I am sitting on a bunch of P30 magazines, so I'll be out the cost of some Trijicon HD's and a holster to get it where I can use it.

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Originally Posted by Runcible:
One hopes that it will be able to fit a Surefire X-series light without modification to either. Heck, the LD DBAL-PL would be convenient to fit, too.

Who will be the first to figure out MRDS mounting?

The X300/300U's fit great with the U plate on the P30 series.  I'll be moving my 300U off my P30L to the VP9 when it gets here.......that LD DBAL-PL will probably go on the P30L

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is it my imagination or did HK screw up the grip to bore ration yet again....loved the P7 series....HK love went out the window with USP ever after. 

 

I will always like their ambi-mag release though. 

 

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Originally Posted by K.O.A.M.:

One thing that I hope those wily Teutons figured out ahead of time is that they're going to need holsters that accomodate lights to sell these pistols to law enforcement.  I have wanted to use my P30 as a substitute duty pistol for years, but can't find a holster I like.  I hope they went to Safariland and got something going early.

If nothing else: HK45 is 1.42" wide, VP9 is listed at 1.32". So with the tension screw tightened up on a SLS or possibly ALS holster, you might have a option there or with one of the USP holster variants.

 

Let me check-

 

But nope, the USP is only 1.26" wide. (per HK corp. website specs.) Hopefully one of our HK fans can chime in when this hits the street.

If they width measurement is of the thickest point in the crosssection, might that be misleading unless strictly measuring slide-widths?

With the HK45's that'd be the safety\decocker lever, the VP9 the T-handle at the rear, and damfino on the USP based on the options available.

Jules

On a lark, I compared the stated dimensions with my work gun:

          P229          VP9          /\                                   G19     G17
OAL:   7.1"          7.34"          VP9 is ~1/4" longer        7.36"   8.03"

OAW:  1.5"          1.32"          VP9 is ~3/16" narrower   1.18"   1.18"

OAH:   5.4"          5.41"          VP9 is 1/10" taller         4.99"   5.43"

I tossed in the G19 and G17 dimensions at the end. Interestingly, the diagram on the Glock website describes the measurement as the slide width, rather then the widest measurement of the frame.

Jules

Over on HKpro, someone superimposed a pic of the VP9 over a Walther PPQ, they were surprisingly close, Also over, there another poster happened to be is his local gun shop when the HK rep shows up with one, and he dry fired it a few times. From what this person said, the trigger was "right up there with a PPQ" so, looking at the superimposed pic, and reading this, I'm beginning to wonder if the VP9 isn't a slightly more refined PPQ..I don't know.. I applaud HK for finally bringing this out, But I don't think I'll be buying one.. I've been fooling around with a CZ P-07, and I'm going to get some work done to it (CGW short reset kit, polish, better sights) and go that route.. I tried the P-30, long story short, it didn't work out..

Frankly, that seems unlikely from my end. If there were ever two near-twins, the Walther PPS and the M&P Shield are an uncanny duo. But as with all such things, they separate in the specifics and the minute, and remain in common with what they're built around - a given cartridge dimension, with the geometry that must follow, and so forth.

How close would a P30 be, if compared to a PPQ?

Jules

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