Originally Posted by Beat Trash:

Size wise, I compare the VP9 to a gun that would have the slide of a Glock 19 with the frame height of a Glock 17. The frame size is what you want it to be with the 27 different combination. It's grip is kind of like a lego set for grownups. The frame height is good for a duty pistol, but it's just enough longer than the Glock 19 to notice, for those who like the overall size of the Glock 19 for concealment.

 

 

This is spot on. Couldn't have said it better. 

 

I will say if you need parts don't hold your breath. I'm still waiting on a recoil spring that is going to be replaced under warranty. You definitely need to prescribe to the one is none two is one credo if you're going to run these things. I've had to go back to my department issued 17 while I wait and it sucks! I never realized how much a 17 resembled a 2x4 until now...

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My Safariland ALS was waiting for me when I got home today! The 1st time I put it in it was absolutely locked in solid...it took me a few minutes to get it out? Then I immediately tried it again...WTF? Locked up solid! I took it apart and tweaked the ALS system a bit and finally got it working. It's now running just like all my others.

I did notice that I have 3 different ALS versions? The mechanism is completely different on my duty holster and my 1911 holster (they are both ALS / SLS holsters but the ALS if different between those two)? The lock on this one is the same as the one on my M&P...whatever, they all work.

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So, I wandered my way into a Cabela's today. I enjoyed lunch there with the family and the decided to poke around the gun counter for a bit.  I figured out my earlier problem of perspective.  The VP9 suffered from being to close to the Kahr pistols in the case. 

 

I was handling the SIG P320 and found myself wondering why they made the grip larger/wider than it needed to be.  On a lark, I compared their compact (almost identical in overall size to a P228 - to my surprise and displeasure) with the VP9.  The VP9 is roughly the same size as the P320 compact...the grip is perhaps 3/32 longer at the front strap, perhaps 1/32 at the back strap, though the base plate of the magazine stands it in total around 3/32 higher or so. 

 
Originally Posted by nyeti:

Oh yea, in he case of the slide and upper it is fricking HUGE compared to the Glock 19.

 

stolen from another forum, I give you the evidence of said enormousness

 

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Originally Posted by DJL2:

I was handling the SIG P320 and found myself wondering why they made the grip larger/wider than it needed to be.

It is funny, I rented a P320 at the range today to see what all the fuss was about and thought the same thing. I put 50 rounds through it and it did nothing for me.

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Originally Posted by XTCBX:
My Safariland ALS was waiting for me when I got home today! The 1st time I put it in it was absolutely locked in solid...it took me a few minutes to get it out? Then I immediately tried it again...WTF? Locked up solid! I took it apart and tweaked the ALS system a bit and finally got it working. It's now running just like all my others.

I did notice that I have 3 different ALS versions? The mechanism is completely different on my duty holster and my 1911 holster (they are both ALS / SLS holsters but the ALS if different between those two)? The lock on this one is the same as the one on my M&P...whatever, they all work.


Did your 6354 come on a drop holster?  

 

Trying to get an OD green one as well and all the none black ones come in the tactical line.

No, Joe ordered it for me with the MLS fork (nothing else, no other way to mount it, no extra parts, just the holster with the fork already on it). He has some voodoo that allows him to understand the Safariland model #'s and order you the holster you want, exactly how you want it.

Also, if anyone else cares, the VP9 & VP40 slides and frames are completely interchangeable as far as I can tell. I just got back from the range and put rounds through both of them on the others frames...if H&K ever starts selling slides al a cart I'm gonna build up a RMR'd one.

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Originally Posted by XTCBX:
if H&K ever starts selling slides al a cart I'm gonna build up a RMR'd one.

They do. Though it's not exactly saving you any real money: http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc...mplete-367p16823.htm

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Crap...you're not kidding, that's steep! I'm curious if the guys that are RMRing these things will start offering ready to go slide packages. Even if I wouldn't be saving much cash being able to just drop a barrel and recoil spring into a RMR'd slide would be hard to not do.

As for how the 40 shoots, all I have put down the pipe is some old duty ammo (it's very hot...going back to the 9 felt like I was shooting a pop gun) but compared to my work gun (P2000) it was really, really, really good.

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Originally Posted by Beat Trash:

Size wise, I compare the VP9 to a gun that would have the slide of a Glock 19 with the frame height of a Glock 17. The frame size is what you want it to be with the 27 different combination. It's grip is kind of like a lego set for grownups. The frame height is good for a duty pistol, but it's just enough longer than the Glock 19 to notice, for those who like the overall size of the Glock 19 for concealment.

 

This is why I would be ecstatic to see a VP9 with a frame height of the HK P2000. I'd gladly give up two rounds to have a pistol built with the frame height centered around the 13 rd P2000 magazine. Call it a VP9c

 

Then, of course, we are also waiting to see the VP9sk...

 

 

I couldn't concur more.  I guess I'm doing something wrong, but I fail to see the advantage of a short slide on a long grip.  Of course, I don't have giant meat hooks, so I can understand why some folks would like a longer grip, it just doesn't work for me, more's the pity.

And I agree 100% with Nyeti on the finger-grooves on the G19, mine all get removed through a couple hours work with flat file and sanding blocks.

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Originally Posted by kjdoski:

I guess I'm doing something wrong, but I fail to see the advantage of a short slide on a long grip.

I also failed to see it. Then I shot it.

 

As I had stated before I would like to see a long slide/shorter grip version.

 

I run x300's on my guns so I would like to bring the barrel out to its length. A G19 length grip IMO is the best balance between concealability and holdability.

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I always shot a Glock 19 faster and just as accurate as a Glock 17. For me I think the 4" barrel is perfect. Now when I'm working UC or off duty and carrying concealed, I don't feel like I have to have the extra length on the VP9 grip. However, when I'm on patrol or SRT and I have gloves on I'm damn glad they made the grip as long as they did. In the end I truly think this is the perfect pistol, for me. 

 

If if they ever put out a VP9sk I'll buy it in a heartbeat. It would be the perfect back up pistol. 

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Ok, stupid question time...

 

Tonight I tried to put a Surefire X300u on my VP9. The light wouldn't go back far enough onto the pistol rail for the bar to click into the last rail of the gun.

 

Thought it might be an issue with the light, so I grabbed another x300u and same thing.

 

Both lights have the "U" piece installed. They work on the issued M&P9. 

 

What am I missing here?

 

 

 

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Try putting the light on and pushing dowN on a table or something.  I have several X300's on VP 9's.  They just fit tight Initially.

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I've never been able to put mine on with the P plate. I can do it with the U plate but it seems too long with the P plate.There is about a 1/16 of an inch that it needs to go rearward before the plate will seat in the slot. It seems like a little material needs to be shaved off the back of the switch where it bumps up against the trigger guard.

 

Yours has got to be god damn tight if it won't fit with the U plate on. 

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BT, there is a spacer that is held in place with 4 pins in between the toggle switch. They are easily pushed out with a small punch or allen wrench.  You might try removing that and trying to put the light on.  I have removed it from my X300 and it made a huge difference in getting the light to mount properly.
 
Regards,
Mike 
 
Originally Posted by Beat Trash:

Ok, stupid question time...

 

Tonight I tried to put a Surefire X300u on my VP9. The light wouldn't go back far enough onto the pistol rail for the bar to click into the last rail of the gun.

 

Thought it might be an issue with the light, so I grabbed another x300u and same thing.

 

Both lights have the "U" piece installed. They work on the issued M&P9. 

 

What am I missing here?

 

Nyeti, thanks.

 

I put the bezel of the light on my work table and leaned into it, pushing down with my upper body until I heard a, "Click". I then thought, "Oh Crap, this is going to be a bitch to get off". It wasn't hard to remove the light at all.

 

Mike, thanks for the info about the spacer. I'll look at that this afternoon.

 

Regards

 

Chad

 

 

 

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The first installation was a bitch but after that it is pretty straight forward.

 

I did not have to disassemble anything and I know others have not either so I would be surprised if you had to.

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Originally Posted by tex.45:

I've never been able to put mine on with the P plate. I can do it with the U plate but it seems too long with the P plate.There is about a 1/16 of an inch that it needs to go rearward before the plate will seat in the slot. It seems like a little material needs to be shaved off the back of the switch where it bumps up against the trigger guard.

 

Yours has got to be god damn tight if it won't fit with the U plate on. 

It gets easier with time.  Just FYI, the HK45 needs the U plate.  I use the Ultras on my HK45's, and my regular X300's on the VP9 and P30's. 

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Before the VP9 came out I was considering the purchase of a Walther P99 in 9mm.  We already have a P99C in the house and I got to extensively test a P99 in .40S&W several years ago.  The P99 seemed like a natural until I test fondled a VP9.

 

I'd appreciate input from anyone who has experience with both models before I pull the trigger on one or the other.

 

Thanks

 

Originally Posted by tex.45:

EzGoingKev, did your VP9 ship with a mag loader or is that something you did? Mine did not ship with a mag loader and I was wondering where you purchased yours If it didn't ship with the pistol. Thanks

The mag loader came with it.

 

HK Parts has them here -

 

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc...Mag-Loader-p1164.htm

 

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Just for information,  I picked picked up a DG switch for the Surefire X300U on my VP9.  The part number is DG-13.  It is made for the Sig 220 but it works perfectly on the VP9.  The only thing that isn't perfect is the contour of the trigger guard at the front. The VP9's trigger guard is more rounded than the P220.  Other than that, the length is perfect as well as the overall fit.  

Ok, so dumb question time...Who has the best prices on these?  I understand they don't have a LE price like some other manufacturers, so where is a good place to start looking?

 

Thanks,

Chris

Joined: 11/08/03          Location:  Central Indiana

Rumor has it that the VP9, VP40, and P30SK are all no longer being imported from Germany for the remainder of the year, and stocks will not be replenished until 2016.

 

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/gmp...ot-so-good-news.html

https://pistol-forum.com/showt...r-P30SK-s-until-2016

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Are the 10 round magazines easy to come by? Can you move them just as quickly as the 15 round magazines?  I only ask because my dealer just got in a VP9 but it is the neutered addition with two 10 rounders. I have no use for them and would sell them off. Assuming they sell easily....

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