People behind the lines are always looking for tens.....heck, I could use them for when I have to go back to SoCal.

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What's the current word on where to pick one up for duty use? Specifically best LE price and available. I've got 2 years of uniform allowance burning a hole in my pocket.

Blessed be the Lord, my rock

who trains my arms for battle,

who prepares my hands for war.

 

Psalm 144.1

G&R has LE pricing? Tell me more. 

 

Weaver1032, I have not personally used these guys but one of my detectives is going to be placing an order with them this week. I found them on line for him so no real world experience yet. http://shop.georgiagunstore.co...p;action=show_detail

 

I can say Mike at Cross Creek is absolutely great but I don't think he has any in stock right now. Mike also has great deals on magazines and he does get them in on a regular basis, if he's showing out. He's hooked me up and a couple of my co-workers. DB turned me on to him and if he says he's good to go then that's all I need to hear. 

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Originally Posted by tex.45:

G&R has LE pricing? Tell me more. 

 

I can say Mike at Cross Creek is absolutely great but I don't think he has any in stock right now. Mike also has great deals on magazines and he does get them in on a regular basis, if he's showing out. He's hooked me up and a couple of my co-workers. DB turned me on to him and if he says he's good to go then that's all I need to hear. 

G&R lists "first responder" prices for a lot of their guns on their website.  Might be worth giving them a call to see if they can do a little better for LE specifically.  Agreed about Cross Creek.  Mike was very easy to work with when I bought from him.  In fact, he just sent me another shipment of P30 mags—they're selling them for a very reasonable price.

 

 

Originally Posted by Spacetaco:

I was looking for a .156 rear.  Did they have them on that run?  

 

 

I believe this run was only .140 rears, which is what I wanted, as I'm pairing it with a .115 FO front.  Check the website, it shows in-stock information.

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Location: South Florida

If you are getting older and your vision less reliable, I'd think the .156 is your friend. I had one and liked it, with an XS standard size dot. Your outcome may also vary by how well you can adjust from gun to gun in terms of sight picture. Me - I'd go with the .156. Your needs and mileage may vary.

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I ordered my last VP9 from Georgiagunstore...it was the best price I could find on the LE version and had no issues with them. I have the Dawson FO front 10-8 rear combo on my 1911 and it works great, it's the .140 rear and with the thinner .115? Dawson FO front it is very fast and gives me a great sight picture (even with my 40 y/o eyes). I'm using the same combo on my VP40 for competition.

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According to this German police magazine, there is going to be a suppressor ready VP9, a RMR/suppressor ready VP9, a VP9 compact, and 20 round magazines being released!

www.heckler-koch.com/de/unternehmen/downloads.html

*first download on the page,  page 23.



SFP9 - Regulatory weapons system with family
The SFP9-TR the core of an official pistols product family based the P30-magazine, which in particular includes the below models and accessories; SFP9 all models are provided with TR or SF-deduction available or at workshop level without changing grip or closure convertible. On request, all models can also SFP9 in execution of maritime be realized:
"SFP9-SF -" Special Forces "as SFP9-TR, but TR-held fan, called SF-hood, completely biased, with a short trip and Resetweg (6mm or 3 mm).
"SFP9M -" Maritim ", trouble-free function underwater weapons and full usability of the weapon after NATO AC225 / D14-long saltwater Test Full Teiltauschbarkeit with non-maritime SFP9 models.
"SFP9SD / SFP9SD-RD - Silencer version as SFP9, but with long SD pipe and increased mechanical SD sight; the RD version (" Red Dot ") has a modified closure for receiving a red dot sight, optional in conjunction with a mechanical Notvisierung.
"SFP9SK - Subkompakt model with an identical interface as magazine SFP9
"SFP FX / SFP UTM / SFP CM - Ov systems for color coding
"SFP-H -" handling "Handling weapon; fully functional, but not be fired
In the accessories are in particular the high-capacity magazine is mentioned, which form-fitting only a few centimeters above the bottom edge grip beyond-projects and with a capacity of 20 cartridges a shot more than the internationally prevalent competitive model.
Furthermore, a smooth covering strip for the Picatinny rail is among others available to to protect them from damage and when pulling the gun out of concealed carrying, a jamming of the rail profile to prevent the clothes.
For increased grip, will grip inserts and back have realized with rubber, which easily replace the standard components can be exchanged.
This will now finally the use of so-called by "TR Police Pistol" unapproved. "Handle Overcoat" rubber dispensable and so non-special forces of the police since the start of "TR-police gun" will enable the legally compliant use of a rubberized handle.

Barrels were sold out for the VP9, but this is cool.  Thanks!  I want a compact and this is the only HK I am allowed to buy in the next 3 years.  

 

i have a surefire suppressor in jail.  I should be able to pick it up in Jan.  If there were surefire VP9 barrels that would be cool but I am not holding my breath.  

 

 

Unfortunately, as I read the above, there will be a SUBcompact (sk) version released, but no mention of a true (P2000-sized) Compact version.  Not to say it's never coming, but I don't see any mention of it...

Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle... Psalms 144:1

Coarse math yields the following, regarding the SFP9sk:

OAL: 6.61" (G19 is 7.36", G26 is 6.41")
OAH: 4.55" (G19 is 4.99", G26 is 4.17")
OAW: same as VP9
Capacity: 10rd (G19 is 15rd, G26 is 10rd)

More to shoot with then the G26, but as many will rage: the capacity of same. 

Jules

Originally Posted by Runcible:

Coarse math yields the following, regarding the SFP9sk:

OAL: 6.61" (G19 is 7.36", G26 is 6.41")
OAH: 4.55" (G19 is 4.99", G26 is 4.17")
OAW: same as VP9
Capacity: 10rd (G19 is 15rd, G26 is 10rd)

More to shoot with then the G26, but as many will rage: the capacity of same. 

Slightly longer than the P30SK, slightly less height. Sounds reasonable.

 

Bad-ass find, though, domestique.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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My bad, I should have just said SK and not compact.  Over at the HK forum a lot of the fan boys feel there will never be a "compact" version like a G19 as the VP9 is already between the G17 and G19.

The VP9SK is longer than the P30SK due to the striker mechanism requiring more room.


As much as I love my M&P handguns,  the VP9 feels soo much better in MY hands.  I can't wait for a RMR ready,  suppressor equipped VP9..... with the extended 20 round magazine. A VP9L would round out the lineup IMHO as well.

I think a VP9SK will sell like hot cakes for those wanting a smaller CCW, and women shooters.  I believe somewhere in that article it mentioned only women were used in the one part of testing.


HK is also releasing a larger slide bumper for better grip.   So,  you will have 3 options total (flush, standard and extended). 



Originally Posted by kjdoski:

       

Unfortunately, as I read the above, there will be a SUBcompact (sk) version released, but no mention of a true (P2000-sized) Compact version.  Not to say it's never coming, but I don't see any mention of it...


       

   
Originally Posted by Default.mp3:

       
Originally Posted by Runcible:

Coarse math yields the following, regarding the SFP9sk:

OAL: 6.61" (G19 is 7.36", G26 is 6.41")
OAH: 4.55" (G19 is 4.99", G26 is 4.17")
OAW: same as VP9
Capacity: 10rd (G19 is 15rd, G26 is 10rd)

More to shoot with then the G26, but as many will rage: the capacity of same. 

Slightly longer than the P30SK, slightly less height. Sounds reasonable.

 

Bad-ass find, though, domestique.

I don't understand this fascination with a "Glock 19" size VP9. My back ground is LE so I'm mainly carrying in a Safariland 6365 on patrol, maybe I'm jaded but c'mon man. The slide is the perfect length and the grip is phenomenal. Large enough to get a solid grip but not unnecessarily long. Holds 15 rounds, one in the pipe, what's not to love? Now I take that same pistol and shove it in my waste band, using a Kydex holster, and no one is the wiser. I don't want some short little shit grip that I can "kinda" get a good enough grip but it's not quite there. These are fighting fucking guns and in my opinion HK definitely got these right. 

 

Now having said that, if I am going to compromise and go with a shorter grip, I still don't want a 19 size grip but an SK length, uh yeah I'll be on that like white on rice. I'll sell my back up 26 and never look back...

 

VP9sk can't get here soon enough. 

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Originally Posted by tex.45:

I don't understand this fascination with a "Glock 19" size VP9.

Myself, and a lot of other folks, feel like the G19 size was the perfect intersection between concealability and usability.  Small enough to easily hide, yet large enough to fight with a full grip on the gun.  I know, the VP has a 5.41" OAH, compared to 4.99" for the G19, and less than half an inch shouldn't matter that much (insert "that's what she said" here), but it is noticeable.  My EDC for roughly eight years was a G19 before I made the switch to the VP9 earlier this year.  I have noticed that I need to be a little more conscious about how I dress now, but the VP9 offers me enough advantages that it's worth a slight penalty in concealability.  That said, if HK were to come out with a VP9k that was G19-sized, I'd be all over it.

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

I'd be all over a GLock 19 sized VP9 also. Something with a height of 5.0", built around the P2000 magazine. 

 

I also find the Glock 19 to be about the closet to a "one size fits all needs" pistol. 

 

I would guarantee buying at least three VP9k's if they ever became a reality. 

 

 

 

Joined: 4-23-04                                          Location: SW Ohio

Understood Casey. I too carried a G19 for years off duty and for a couple years on duty. I did find I was a little more accurate with a 17, could get a better grip with a 17 when wearing gloves, and for me personally was always making some excuse how the 19 was just as good but in reality I found it to be a compromise. I think I even started a thread a couple years back wanting morale support to justify my use of the 19.

For me, in the end the 19 was always a compromise. I went back to a 17 for patrol and off duty and a 26 for the times when I really didn't want to carry a gun but knew better. That's why I've been so happy with the VP9. I've found it very easy to conceal, damn more accurate than a Glock and ergonomics second to none. I even managed to score a set of Heinie sights for a smoking deal from a guy I know ;-)

On the concealment side of things I called up Rich with Custom Carry Concepts and explained I needed to conceal the VP9 for some plain clothes and buy operations with concealment being paramount but a need for a fighting gun. I was not going to compromise and go with a smaller gun. Rich molded me one of his Kydex holsters, the Uno or something like that, with utmost concealment in mind. It sits deep in the waistband and has a pretty aggressive forward cant. I've been so pleased with it I haven't used any other holster for off duty or UC work.

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If I could pull off AIWB, I would have no need for a G19-sized variant.  Over the summer, I devoted a little time to trying appendix, and played around with both JM Custom and Keepers Concealment holsters.  I've let my fitness level go a bit, so I wasn't able to get either to work for me, but I was damn close, and the length of the grip was not the part of gun I had difficulty concealing—in fact, I was able to carry a VP9 with a Taylor Freelance +5 mag extension and even then the grip length was a nonissue.  So, yeah, I can definitely see where you're coming from if you're carrying AIWB.

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

EzGoingKev posted:

Has HK released maintenance intervals for the VP9?

50,000 rounds is the replacement interval they recommended to me for RSA replacement.  Unsure about other parts. 

(See below for updates—HK currently recommends 10,000-15,000 rounds for RSA replacement.)

Joined: 2JAN2004

Location: South Florida

I have a Safariland 6354 and it looks like the VP9 with a threaded barrel would not fit, at least from where I am sitting.  I was looking at suppressing a VP9 but I do not want to switch barrels just for the range and carry modes on a duty belt.  I know my Glock 19 with threaded barrel fits in my Glock 17 holster.  Anyone have an idea if there might be something in the works? 

Whiteops, are you carrying you VP9 AWIB or behind the hip? Was the holster that Rich made for you a custom cant or the standard cant for his products? 

 

 

 

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Casey posted:
EzGoingKev posted:

Has HK released maintenance intervals for the VP9?

50,000 rounds is the replacement interval they recommended to me for RSA replacement, on par with the P30.  Unsure about other parts. 

Conventional firearm wisdom would dictate a RSA change long before that.  HK's prescribed RSA/action spring replacement intervals have always been...fanciful.  That said, I have serious doubts that 50k is what was recommended.  Depending on your source, other HK's  are due at 20k; others at 10k...supposedly.  I can't say I've been able to push any of mine past 10k without having to change/replace something in the gun.  YMMV

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

When I googled it people were saying HK's interval on R&R'ing the RSA at 10k. This is more than twice what Glock's interval. 

For 50k I would love to see something in writing from HK. Is this from a service manual?

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

I get a stong feeling there was an extra "0" put in there by mistake.

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From Todd's posts regarding the P30 endurance tests.  

 

"25k maintenance performed. Parts replaced were:

  • trigger return spring
  • hammer spring
  • hammer strut
  • firing pin spring
  • recoil spring & guide rod assembly

 

That’s it. With that, HK expects the gun to make it to 50,000 rounds. I’ve never owned a pistol that required so little in the way of upkeep. Changing the recoil spring just once every 25k … that’s unbelievable."

 

http://pistol-training.com/archives/1842

 

I emailed HK and they told me 10-15k rounds for RSA replacement.HKemail

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I emailed HK again, and received the following responses.

So, at least now we're getting consistent answers about the RSA replacement.  As for the other parts...

There you have it.  If every major auto manufacturer can put out a recommended maintenance schedule for their vehicles, why can't the firearms industry do the same?

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Location: South Florida

Casey posted:

There you have it.  If every major auto manufacturer can put out a recommended maintenance schedule for their vehicles, why can't the firearms industry do the same?

This is kind of what some of us were referring to in the thread regarding S&W acting like fools.   Under what context are you going to believe any number provided?  I really don't mind that HK is proud that some guns have gone the distance and pumped out 25k, 50k, or however many rounds out without incident.  I've read the TG reports and seen the anecdotes about the USP 45 used at the Federal ammo plant, and many others.  That's all well and good, but I am far deeper interest in keeping my guns running at the optimum or acceptable levels.  HK (and all the others) exists to make money.  Well, HK really just wants to get above water, but that's another matter. 

My point is that if I were a bean counter or in marketing, I would certainly not overlook the fact that if I boast a 50k round maintenance free service life or a 416 barrel with 25k service life, folks are going to stand up and take notice...and buy my product.  Most people are turned off by HK anyways; there would be more angry consumers  if one thought they had to do typical routine maintenance on an HK like every other gun.  Being the savvy businessman, I also know that 99% of my commercial market will never reach that round count, and 95% of my mil/gov end users who may actually see these numbers are non-gun types that are willfully ignorant and just use what's put in front of them.  And in the end, if I ever get called on it, I can always point to the isolated incidents and say: "Well Todd Green was able to....".  

That last part is key, otherwise you get caught with your pants down like Glock who kept cutting some of their RSA replacement schedules in half.  The Gen 3 G22 can go 5000 rounds.....no, wait....3000 rounds.....fuck, better just change them every 1000 rounds.  I apologize if that is dated; it's probably changed after every other magazine now.  

I don't have all the answers; I'm just killing time on this cold Midwest Sunday afternoon. 

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

This is (one reason) why I wish there wasn't politics wrapped up in any intersection of electronics and firearms. I do a lot of projects (as in, worked on a big one today) having to do with service of diesel engines, and a key word now is Prognostication. No more generic service intervals, but you use the sensors to predict when it's time to replace components based on use, intensity of use, environmental difficulties, etc. Even when you cannot sensorize a component to tell directly if it's failing, use data over time let's the other sensors predict it with great accuracy. It works. All this is leading to much much less breakdown on the job.

Oh, well. Guns get vague service schedules, guesswork and "repair when broken" for the foreseeable future instead. 

The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life. – Theodore Roosevelt

 

Joined: 19NOV2004   Location: Mission, Kansas

 I used to be a "my Glock" has 25k rounds on it and shoots fine so it doesn't need anything" to realizing that I might be damaging important parts for the cost of a $8 RSA.

I am tracking my shooting history in Access. I have created parts tables with their service interval. When I shoot I update a table. I can then run a query to see the round counts on the parts and determine if I need to replace anything.

Joined: 3/27/09          Location: Back in MA for now

I will make it a point to get an answer at HK from the right folks.  While it is always fun to pick on HK customer service, customer service is not where the armorers and techs are.  If you want to know where your order is, or to get a catalog, great.  IIRC, the warranty and techs are not even in the same place.  If I based my opinions on customer service at Smith & Wesson dealing with a problem gun on "customer service" who were nice, but clueless, versus actually talking to the warranty and service guy, it would be like the above.  Of course, I actually called and talked to humans versus email, so there is that.  

I ll check at SHOT show and get back to you guys.

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