Ideally, (if your budget permits) I prefer to have identical guns. This allows one  for training and one for serious use.  Run the training gun until parts break or the upper end of scheduled maintenance, and after vetting the CCW/duty firearms, keep them with relatively low round counts.  

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Reading Todd's HK45 test last night it actually said he did preventative maintenace at 12,500 rounds.  

"At 12,500 rounds we hit the quarter-way mark on the HK45 Endurance Test last Friday during a 1,006-round marathon practice session. Unfortunately, circumstances have conspired to keep the gun in the holster and off the range ever since. Still, there have been zero problems with the pistol since removing the USP45 Compact floorplates (see last week’s report for details).

Once we hit the 12,500 mark, it was time to pull some preventative maintenance. Parts replaced include:

  • trigger return spring
  • sear spring
  • firing pin spring
  • firing pin block spring
  • elbow spring (aka “hammer rebound spring&rdquo
  • recoil spring assembly

The first two got changed based on experience from the P30 test, while the rest were just parts HK said I should replace “at or before 20,000 rounds.”"

 http://pistol-training.com/archives/3105

 

nyeti posted:

I will make it a point to get an answer at HK from the right folks.  While it is always fun to pick on HK customer service, customer service is not where the armorers and techs are.  If you want to know where your order is, or to get a catalog, great.  IIRC, the warranty and techs are not even in the same place.  If I based my opinions on customer service at Smith & Wesson dealing with a problem gun on "customer service" who were nice, but clueless, versus actually talking to the warranty and service guy, it would be like the above.  Of course, I actually called and talked to humans versus email, so there is that.  

I ll check at SHOT show and get back to you guys.

Thanks, DB.

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VP9 aside, I don't believe HK has EVER supported the use of non-brass cased ammo in their pistols (or other small arms); that is nothing new.   You also point out your own error in trying to ask most likely CS/sales types at a venue like SHOT.  Now if you could have cornered Bob Schultz (and stay  upwind), you could have received a far more technical answer.  Yep, there's a stepped chamber.  If you disagree with that call, I'm sure at HKPRO there are plenty of circle jerks...er "threads" discussing every single pro and con of that feature. 

One thing that chaps my ass is some of the people that attend SHOT and what they expect; nay...DEMAND.  As I understand, a lot of business dealings used to take place at SHOT between manufacturers and retailers.  Now that technology has changed, it would seem that every clown with an "in" to the industry or yahoo with a blog and a youtube channel can call themselves "media" and threaten to blast a company to shreds with mere keystrokes.  The point I'm getting at is that you should feel grateful to have spoken with anyone at all regarding this....well, I'm not 100% on what your issue is exactly. 

Regarding the last half of your post...

I wasn't there, I can/can't say they said "HK designs firearms for military use, not civilian".  This is oddly contrary to what is being said here: http://fortune.com/2016/01/21/...-maker-us-gun-sales/ 

This tired, "because you suck and we hate you" battle cry is tired and erroneous.  HK is a business, and they will sell to anyone they can.  It just happens to suck that the German government regs chokes what goes out and US regs choke what comes in.  Frankly, I'm amazed they bother with the commercial stuff we have; they know it's worth the hassle to tap the US commercial market.  We'll swallow anything anyone wants to sell us (Serpa holsters, EOTechs, Zombie themed accessories...). 

 

TL;DR: I'm sorry to hear if you are having specific issues with your VP9.  I would highly suggest taking the time to go through proper channels for technical assistance.   My recommendation is noted above and his contact info is publicly available.  

"Pain, we endure...faulty weaponry, we do not."

My intention was to find an answer to a question regarding their chamber choice which limits ammunition choice for practice. I admittedly see I respond in the wrong thread, my apologies for that. All other information however was factual as stated. My regards for HKPro almost certainly mirror your own.

So, there seems to be some potential updates on the SFP9.

The option of button instead of paddle magazine release:


The option of a manual safety:


A long-slide version:

Source: http://www.heckler-koch.com/en...roduct-overview.html

A subcompact version:


Source: http://www.heckler-koch.com/en...roduct-overview.html

And an optic-ready version:



Source: http://www.heckler-koch.com/en...roduct-overview.html

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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Well, hello my lovelies........

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Call me greedy...but is the button magazine release ambi-?  or at least switchable for a southpaw?

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Hussar posted:

Call me greedy...but is the button magazine release ambi-?  or at least switchable for a southpaw?

Hi greedy.  TMR Consig here.

And a quote from the spec sheet "Ambidextrous operation for right and left-handed shooters (magazine and slide release) "

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

 

 

 

 

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"Ambidextrous, EXTREMELY conspicuous slide releases to be all up in your way."  -  Should be marketing copy for every HK pistol.

Seriously, that left side release is almost exactly where the safety is on a 1911, and the right side release goes on for miles down the side of the frame.

From what I can see the std button mag release version takes the same magazine as the paddle version...that's where Walther screwed the pooch. Apparently learning occurred. 

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Beren412 posted:

"Ambidextrous, EXTREMELY conspicuous slide releases to be all up in your way."  -  Should be marketing copy for every HK pistol.

Seriously, that left side release is almost exactly where the safety is on a 1911, and the right side release goes on for miles down the side of the frame.

And the thumb safety is behind the thumb.  Extremely awkward.

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DetWD posted:

Whether you like or don't like these new variants, it's of no consequence right now.  Per HK source this morning, no timetable for US sales of these variants.

Damn, now I have to try and be patient. I don't have the cash for them right now anyway so I guess it gives me time to decide which to get .

 I really like that more manufacturers are coming out with optic ready pistols. That's only going to help us in LE convince administrators to use them on duty since we won't be "modifying" the gun.

 

 

 

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DetWD posted:

Whether you like or don't like these new variants, it's of no consequence right now.  Per HK source this morning, no timetable for US sales of these variants.

I can wait.  In the meantime, the Beretta APX will be out April 15.  I'm going to try that as a range toy because it looks very interesting.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

 

 

 

 

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Man....that Beretta APX is FUGLY.....

my money is on the HK VP9 or the CZ 10c ....I tried the HK VP9 for a minute...not really long enough to fall in love but perhaps Ill revisit it for its mechanical accuracy potential. 

A couple of my cops carry the VP9 and they like it. 

Im not ready to fully invest in holsters and support parts for the HK but am still curious... perhaps if I can get into an armorer course for the VP9 Id feel better but I dont know...

If i could get beyond the left point of impact of the Gen 4 Glocks Id be GTG

"Without training they lack knowlege, without knowlege they lack discipline , without discipline they lack victory"

 

“Go as hard as you can, for as long as you can, and then quit.”

 

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Only side by side shotguns and double rifles are good looking so everything else just sit at various places on the  ugly curve.  I haven't seen the Beretta is person but I have heard it's a shooter.  If it works well, I don't care if it looks like my mother in law.

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IT'S A COLT.  THEY'RE LIKE THE HK OF GUNS.

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Stupidity is not a skillset.

 

 

 

 

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Consigliere posted:

Only side by side shotguns and double rifles are good looking so everything else just sit at various places on the  ugly curve.  I haven't seen the Beretta is person but I have heard it's a shooter.  If it works well, I don't care if it looks like my mother in law.

True dat...I require armorer level parts replacement and maintenance and thats where HK USA falls short in comparison to GLOCK and S&W per se.

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Spacetaco posted:

When can I get the Special Forces Trigger?

You can get it right now, brah.

Seriously, the SF trigger is the standard trigger of the VP9; the TR trigger has not ever been imported to the USA, AFAIK, and was a German LE specification. A 20 N to 25 N trigger is basically a 4.5 lb to 5.6 lb trigger. The 30 N to 35 N trigger would correspond to a  6.7 lb to 7.8 lb trigger.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

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After having the VP9 for extended range time, no complaints not my own fault.  Only issue I have is I tend to ride the slide stop with the high thumbs forward grip so on occasion, no lock back on the last round. It's not a show stopper for me, but I wish they or someone would make an after market slide lever to fix that issue. I know others have experienced the issue,  a few getting rid of the pistol due to it. Never had the issue with M&Ps, Shield,  nor 1911s, just the VP9.  Thoughts?

- Will

 

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steveg2 posted:

If nyone is interested Wilson Combst now has their Vickers style sights with either fiber optic or gold bead for the VP9. I have theme on 3 of my Glocks and they make a very nice sight picture.

No pictures = it never happened.

- Will

 

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Will Brink posted:

After having the VP9 for extended range time, no complaints not my own fault.  Only issue I have is I tend to ride the slide stop with the high thumbs forward grip so on occasion, no lock back on the last round. It's not a show stopper for me, but I wish they or someone would make an after market slide lever to fix that issue. I know others have experienced the issue,  a few getting rid of the pistol due to it. Never had the issue with M&Ps, Shield,  nor 1911s, just the VP9.  Thoughts?

I've had it happen a few times...also not a show stopper for me. When my grip is sloppy is when it happens. If I hold it like I'm supposed to it doesn't, I've found that the VP series requires a slightly different grip than other polymer pistols, just like a 1911 does. Switching between platforms hasn't been a big deal for me, I shoot 1911s for competition and HKs for everything else, no issues. I think Nyeti (Dagga Boy) described it best years ago, its like driving a different car, the door handles and gear shift are in different places but you can still drive it just fine. 

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Location: Southern Arizona 

Slide release and trigger guard trench.  My two biggest complaints (other than overall size/form factor).

 

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ftbear posted:

Will,

     I have no experience but ran across this. See Vicker's package item # 5 as well as last footnote in that package.

http://www.lazywolfguns.com/heckler---koch.html

      Hope it helps 

      DK

 

Will look into that for sure. As it's not an uncommon problem and it's become a popular pistol, makes sense someone will have addressed the issue. Under the LAV mod it says "Your choice of either the HK Slide Release Modification, or the HK" Not sure what the slide release mod entails, but likely addresses the issue I suspect.

- Will

 

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“Those who do not view armed self defense as a basic human right, ignore the mass graves of those who died on their knees at the hands of tyrants.”

Lazywolf Guns is run by Rick Holm who ran the custom shop at Gray Guns for many years.

He has done a USP 45, P2000sk, and two VP9s for me.  His work is superb and most appropriate for a carry gun.

The VP9s are twins and have essentially everything Rick offers with 10-8 sights zeroed for my carry  load.  They have both been through several HITS courses with DETWD and Dagga Boy with no malfunctions.

I'll try to get some photos up this evening for you.

Tony

 

Antonius posted:

Lazywolf Guns is run by Rick Holm who ran the custom shop at Gray Guns for many years.

He has done a USP 45, P2000sk, and two VP9s for me.  His work is superb and most appropriate for a carry gun.

The VP9s are twins and have essentially everything Rick offers with 10-8 sights zeroed for my carry  load.  They have both been through several HITS courses with DETWD and Dagga Boy with no malfunctions.

I'll try to get some photos up this evening for you.

Tony

 

Any mods made to the slide stop? Other than that, for me, it's GTG as any polymer wonder pistol can be. It may not tolerate being thrown against a tree and such as some pistols out there might, but for my needs, all good.

- Will

 

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