Originally Posted by jdavis6576:
Also, anyone else have major difficulty installing an X300U? I tried both the U and P inserts before grinding down a spare P insert to fit and it is still extremely tight. Perhaps mine is a sample of one but I'm surprised the fitting between the gun and light isn't perfect as made.


The P30 was also often a very tight fit. Generally, what I did was put the light on on the frame (out the slide for safety reasons), and then put the bezel of the light against a vertical surface, like a wall or edge of a table, and push the frame into the wall/table side. It would pop right in.

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Just a little update. .I  took my VP9 and HK45ct out today, I increased the powder charge in the 9mm, and as I figured it would, that made all the difference in the world. Pistol ran without any problems. I tried a few informal 10-10-10 drills for the first time in awhile, I did ok, I got good times (between 6-6.50) but usually had one round out .It seems like this a easy pistol to shoot fast. I'll echo what was said earlier, The more I shoot this pistol, the more I like it.  

Picked up my VP9 a couple of days ago.  Mine had tritium sights and came with three magazines.  I plan to shoot it tomorrow or Saturday.  The trigger is very nice.  I would put it about even with a PPQ out of the box.

If you like leather holsters you might check out the Ritchie brothers at http://www.ritchieholsters.com for their Alessi inspired designs.  They have a VP9 in the safe to make holsters with.  They worked with Lou for years and their quality shows it.

Their Lightning model is my favorite CCW rig.  I am using one for my VP9 right now that was made for a P30L.  It fits very well.

I will add some photos and some range feedback shortly.

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Originally Posted by Default.mp3:
Originally Posted by jdavis6576:
Also, anyone else have major difficulty installing an X300U? I tried both the U and P inserts before grinding down a spare P insert to fit and it is still extremely tight. Perhaps mine is a sample of one but I'm surprised the fitting between the gun and light isn't perfect as made.


The P30 was also often a very tight fit. Generally, what I did was put the light on on the frame (out the slide for safety reasons), and then put the bezel of the light against a vertical surface, like a wall or edge of a table, and push the frame into the wall/table side. It would pop right in.

A gentle push on a flat surface works for me, the X300U snaps on the VP9 and then can be removed without drama.

Picked up mine the day I flew back in from vacation. Phenomenal handgun. Trigger is really smooth and the small backstraps are perfect for me.

 

Groupings were on par with the SIG 226/228, the platform I'm most familiar with. 

 

I'm having trouble installing the X300 on this guy. I don't think they're friends...

One thing I learned about this gun and the P30 is that the backstrap that may feel the most comfortable while holding the gun may not feel the best or work the best while shooting it.

 

For example with the P30LS, I encountered a few instances where the slide didn’t lock back on the last shot.  This occurred when employing a thumbs forward Mod Isosoles grip where my thumb accidentally touched the slide release during recoil which kept the pistol from locking open on the last shot.  To address this with the P30LS, I went from the medium backstrap to large one.  This kept my thumbs away from the slide release unless I deliberately activated it. 

 

The VP9 has different slide releases than the P30.  From the beginning I ran the VP9 with the medium side panels and large backstrap and encountered no issues where the slide failed to lock back in over 2000 rounds fired.

There's a lot of truth in what ED L says about the backstrap/side panels.. I'm using the same set up as ED, and this works well for me. I had started with medium panels all the way around but, had trouble with it shooting to the left,, going with the large side panels and medium backstrap, pretty much stopped that. Last week, I ran my VP9 at my clubs monthly combat pistol shoot. It's a small event, we're trying to get more people interested, but usually we have about 10-12 people show up. I managed to come in 4th, After everyone shoots the courses, if, anyone wants to, you can shoot it again, I did so, but this time with my .45ct, I had converted it to LEM, and after about a year of trying I gave up on it, and converted it back to DA/SA, and spent about 2weeks dry firing it and getting used to the trigger.. I found, quite surprisingly, I could run the 45ct almost as well as the VP9, All in all, it was a good day.. The only thing the VP9 needs is better sights. I'm still undecided what to get, the latest offering coming from Heinie looks very promising.  

Bumping this looking for night sight suggestions for this pistol.  I'd like 10-8's but they're out of stock and I'm not sold on the Trijicon HD's.  What are you guys running?

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I finger banged one at a LGS.  I almost bought it.  I'm a little leery of the long, thin external metal bar on the right side. The trigger was good.  Being used to the Glock, the grip felt funny to me.  I might go in today and see if it's still there.  I've never owned an HK before. 

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Well, I picked one up today out of curiosity.  I like it overall.  I imagine the creepy trigger will smooth out with use, and be better than a factory Glock over time.  The controls are very well thought out.  It's comfortable, accurate, and very soft-shooting.  I thought it would be more "flippy" because of the apparently-higher bore axis.  When I put the new gun next to the G17R I had in the desk drawer, the bore axis isn't appreciably higher.  Where the beaver-tail hits the hand is lower than the glock, but where the web of your hand sits is in about exactly the same place.  So, during shooting, there was very little muzzle flip.  

 

The physical size is almost identical to the G17.  I attached a few pics of the two side by side.  I shot a few boxes of Fed 115gr FMJ through it.  I could put all the shots in one hole at 7 yards, and shooting faster was easy.  I like the sights, except one minor detail - I don't think they'd be worth a shit trying to rack the slide on a shield or holster running the gun one-handed.  The ramped rear has no edge on it.

 

The pics.

 

 

 

 

Big questions on this are the long-run durability, availability of holsters and mags, and replacement sights.  Overall I'm pleased as punch so far.  It exceeded my expectations. 

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Yesterday I had some range time to myself before a group came out.  I brought a case of 9mm, the VP-9, and a G-17.  I didn't make it through the case - maybe fired 450 rounds between the two before some people actually showed up early (that never happens).

 

I shot both from 1 yard back to about 60 yards.  I went with the med back with large sides.  I found it relatively comfortable.  I was able to shoot 100s with both first try, and found that each does some things better than the other.  Oddly, on both sides of a barricade support position, I liked the HK a little better, even though I've shot a Glock for more than a decade.  Support-hand only, I thought the Glock was easier to control shooting at a quick pace.  

 

The triggers are similar, but slightly different.  The difference was not vast.  Once you hit the 'wall' after taking up the slack, the Hk is more crisp, but has this little creepy point that I find very noticeable - but it is more crisp than the glock.  The glock trigger is widely known - and once you take up the slack, is more mushy.  I'm not convinced that's a bad thing.  You just press through the mush, and it fires when it wants to.  It's not a shock, or in a different place, but it seems less likely to make you say "it's going to go off, NOW."  

 

The groove in the bottom of the trigger guard didn't both me, but the paddle mag release on the right side was noticeable to my middle finger.  After a few tries with the mag release, I found it was OK for me, but I had to change my grip to allow it to move and get a good purchase on it.  I got both guns good and warm shooting plates at 15-60 yards.  I didn't have a proper holster for the HK, and frankly think the Safariland ALS needs to be pushed out.  But just coming up from a low ready position, I thought the HK pointed a little better (again, very used to the Glock), and I thought the sights on the HK were easier for my old eyes to pick up.

 

I tried to limp wrist it to see if I could get it to choke, but no dice.  I didn't think to bring a light to put on it, even though I have several literally just lying around.  I have noticed Glocks with lights and awkward shooting positions (like shooting around a shield especially) tends to be less reliable.  I am curious if this will do better.  I did note that my big fat-guy thumbs kept the slide from locking open most of the time.  For my hands, the slide lock is just in the wrong place.

 

Until more mainstream holsters show up, I don't think this thing is going to fly off of shelves and into cops' holsters.  I think it's a good, solid pistol that I like a lot.  But I can but a Glock for about $400 compared to over $600 for the HK.  Add to that mags are double the price.  That's a big price difference, and I don't get 50% more killing power.  So were I a new copling, I'm not sure I'd go for this one.  But for an agency with bigger budgets, this might be good if duty gear was available for it.  I think it would fit small female hands better, and being totally ambidextrous is a nice touch.  

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Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR:

Until more mainstream holsters show up, I don't think this thing is going to fly off of shelves and into cops' holsters.  I think it's a good, solid pistol that I like a lot.  But I can but a Glock for about $400 compared to over $600 for the HK.  Add to that mags are double the price.  That's a big price difference, and I don't get 50% more killing power.  So were I a new copling, I'm not sure I'd go for this one.  But for an agency with bigger budgets, this might be good if duty gear was available for it.  I think it would fit small female hands better, and being totally ambidextrous is a nice touch.  

 

Truth.

 

If you have a new pistol to market, you had better get Safariland on board first. With 6280, ALS, and GLS. Even if you have to pay for the molds yourself... And getting Rings on board so the cottage holster makers can start pressing leather and kydex.

Reports are that Safariland just released an ALS model for the P30L with X300U that fits the VP9.  It's not on their will-fit list yet but the info comes from a reputable source.  

 

Model is reported to be 1176575 6395.  Just FYI.

 

 

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Originally Posted by taadski:

Reports are that Safariland just released an ALS model for the P30L with X300U that fits the VP9.  It's not on their will-fit list yet but the info comes from a reputable source.  

 

Model is reported to be 1176575 6395.  Just FYI.

 

 

Thanks. Anyone know a retailer that will let you order by model number?

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Originally Posted by K.O.A.M.:
Originally Posted by taadski:

Reports are that Safariland just released an ALS model for the P30L with X300U that fits the VP9.  It's not on their will-fit list yet but the info comes from a reputable source.  

 

Model is reported to be 1176575 6395.  Just FYI.

 

 

Thanks. Anyone know a retailer that will let you order by model number?

 

The one noted here was ordered direct from Safariland.

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Originally Posted by Longeye:

       
Originally Posted by SPDSNYPR:

Until more mainstream holsters show up, I don't think this thing is going to fly off of shelves and into cops' holsters.  I think it's a good, solid pistol that I like a lot.  But I can but a Glock for about $400 compared to over $600 for the HK.  Add to that mags are double the price.  That's a big price difference, and I don't get 50% more killing power.  So were I a new copling, I'm not sure I'd go for this one.  But for an agency with bigger budgets, this might be good if duty gear was available for it.  I think it would fit small female hands better, and being totally ambidextrous is a nice touch.  

 

Truth.

 

If you have a new pistol to market, you had better get Safariland on board first. With 6280, ALS, and GLS. Even if you have to pay for the molds yourself... And getting Rings on board so the cottage holster makers can start pressing leather and kydex.


       


I am fairly familiar with dealing with Safariland since the mid 80's and spent a good amount if time inside the castle.  This isn't the gun companies fault, you are banking in Safariland reading tea leaves as to what they want to make and when and they have a bunch of typical corporate issues with making decisions in any kind of timely manner.

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Originally Posted by GlockWRX:

I picked up a VP9 several weeks ago.  Loving it so far.  I'm a long time Glock guy, but this is the first gun that's started to really pull me away.   

 

I wrote up a review with some pics on my website.... 

http://www.blackfinmp.com/blog...4/9/15/hk-vp9-review

That first pic is fucking comic genius. 

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Originally Posted by Smoke Rhino:

Strohman Enterprises is great to deal with regarding Safariland.  My P30L ALS just shipped.  Joe was offering great deals on Aimpoint T1s on this forum for quite some time.

If Joe is selling it, then that is the easy choice of who to buy from.  He does a STELLAR job.

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I got one of the first VP9s in Austin out of dumb luck, what the hell do I do with these P30s in my safe now?  It's a great pistol, and Bladetech has a duty holster.  I became a fan of Bladetech duty holsters when the P30 came out, and the WRS system is really solid in my opinion. 

Originally Posted by EastTXRedneck:

Played with one yesterday at a gunshow. I liked the feel of the gun but did not like the trigger reset. Felt clunky to me. Still considering buying it though. Do they make aftermarket triggers for it?

I believe Grayguns may be working on something.  They do smooth up in use.  In a Tom Givens Instructor school in Dallas this weekend, a record four perfect scores were shot in the final testing.  Two of those were with VP9's.  This, in the words of one of my favorite people, is "A clue" as to how bad you need an after market trigger to do good work.  Both VP9's were dead stock including standard sights.  They also performed perfect mechanically.  I found something interesting on mine as far as a "safety" thing.  With a slightly out of spec round of UMC bargain 9mm, it will not fire even slightly out of battery.  I know my Glocks will.  Otherwise, they ran like sewing machines and offered outstanding accuracy even with low end training ammunition.

 

Personally, if you want a polymer pistol to put a competition type trigger in, I would highly recommend getting a Glock instead.  For an out of the box pure service gun with a serrvice trigger, the HK will give match type accuracy if the shooter does the work.

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Not trying to be THAT GUY that has to come and disagree.  I am absolutely not that guy. But I did want to drop my comment on this pistol.

 

I had one to play with for a month this past summer and put 500-600 rounds through it. I really, really wanted to love this pistol as I don't have a HK and wanted an excuse to buy it.  I sweat a lot and it was the South in August, I couldn't hang onto the thing.  I tried the various grip sizes, I tried holding it like I was trying to strangle it and it still jumped around in my hands.  That coupled with the higher (than Glock) bore line seriously cut into my times.  The trigger is good but it isn't the "1911 like" trigger that some folks are gushing over IMO.  It's still a striker-fired type trigger, just crisper.

 

In short, I just couldn't bring myself to plop down the cash to buy one.  I am certain someone will come out with some aftermarket aggressive grip panels and the above posts seem to indicate their is interest in improving the trigger further but I am just stunned that HK didn't address this at the outset.  My $0.02...

 

Not that Nyeti needs confirmation on anything he says but I will echo his sentiment regarding accuracy.  The pistol is a tack driver and I did dig the stock sights.

I continue to be amazed, but not surprised.

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Originally Posted by nyeti:
  I found something interesting on mine as far as a "safety" thing.  With a slightly out of spec round of UMC bargain 9mm, it will not fire even slightly out of battery.  I know my Glocks will.  Otherwise, they ran like sewing machines and offered outstanding accuracy even with low end training ammunition.

 


I also found this interesting. It was the first thing my coworkers that carry glock noticed. Pushing the VP9 slide nearly 1/16" out of battery will prevent the trigger from engaging the stiker. It feels to be half the distance the glock allows you to play with.

JB,

 

Valid concern.  I'll likely be picking up a VP9 to replace my PPQ.  The PPQ was a similar thing for me.  While I could hold it okay, my performance with the gun went up tremendously with a bit of the old tried and true bicycle inner-tube around the grip.  I won't be buying the VP9 to conceal carry, so I'm planning on using the same here (hell I still have plenty o' tire left).

 

I don't think I've ever been fully pleased with the grip purchase on a polymer framed handgun.  Judging by the serious similarities I suspected this would be the case with the VP9.  Thanks for bringing it up.

 

PS: I know HK's are  a pain with RMR installs --- I assume this won't be any different.  Has anyone heard of Doug or Mark playing with an RMR install on a VP9?

ElbowsNC:

Why not just have the grip on your PPQ stippled ?
Based on my brief time with both pistols, the PPQ has a better trigger (lighter/smoother pull and a vastly superior reset) and is every bit as accurate as the VP9.  On top of that PPQ holsters are more available right now, and assuming you have the "m1" model, then magazines are cheaper and easier to come by as well.

If you were trying to decide between the two I'd tell you that the PPQ is "subjectively" a superior handgun for $100-to- $200 less depending on where you purchase from

 

But seeing as you already own the PPQ, it seems rather odd to me that you'd want to sink a lot of money into a new platform (cost of firearm + holsters, magazines, and perhaps at some point down the road... grip stippling & perhaps a trigger job).

 

I'd strongly suggest getting some range time with the VP9 before making the switch, otherwise you may end up regretting your decision.  If you're unhappy with your current handgun, make sure that model you're going to switch to is right for you... you don't want to jump from one disappointment to another.

As an additional data point on the PPQ vs VP9 topic, I purchased a PPQ M2 9mm last summer and have put just over 1300 rounds of 124 gr FMJ and +P HST through her. I immediately shot better with it than any other handgun I had previously owned, but the grip has never felt quite right (I need to adjust after 4-5 rounds) and I have had intermittent failures to lock back on the last round due to unintentionally riding the slide release. The trigger break and reset feel excellent to me and I can't argue with the accuracy and speed they have helped me realize, but the light pull weight has caused me to break a couple of shots before intended--annoying when running range drills but pretty uncool to contemplate happening in the real world. I stuck with it because I got faster, better hits with it than anything else I've tried and because nothing is ever going to be perfect.

 

I picked up a VP9 at my LGS this past weekend and ran 200 rounds of 124 gr FMJ through her. Based on a little dry firing I set up with the large grip panels and backstrap, which turned out to be a mistake once I got a few mags through on live fire but like an idiot I left the small and medium pieces at home so I couldn't adjust on the fly. After 2 mags through the PPQ to establish a baseline I switched to the VP9. Accuracy was good but not great, which had me disappointed until I ran another mag through the PPQ and did even worse than I was doing with the VP9 so I figured that meant I was tired and I headed home.

 

My impression after that first range trip is that the ergos of the VP9 are clearly better (especially now that I've found a grip panel combo I like), I can manipulate the weapon faster and more confidently with no riding the slide release, accuracy is probably equal to the PPQ, and in spite of the trigger break and reset not being as much to my liking as the PPQ's it's still pretty darn good and overall better for the real world. More rounds down range are certainly needed but at this point my opinion is that the VP9 is the better choice for me. The VP9 is not magic, it's not a revelation, it's just a tool. Now I need to learn the best way to use it.

 

YMMV, no purchase necessary, void where prohibited by state and local laws...

You hit the nail on the head there.  I've had two PPQ's.  My remaining one is a First Edition model with the Gen1 paddle stuff.  I actually purchased it because a striker fired HK didn't exist.  I'm quite sure I could make the swap with zero money out of pocket (sell of my spare mags holster etc.).

 

My only two concerns with the PPQ are how incredibly light the trigger is and an overall concern with the reports I've seen from people regarding Walther USA (the new US factory for Walther firearms).  A third minor issue is that it's not RMR friendly.  If the VP9 was more friendly to RMR install I'd be more prone to consider it.

 

Regarding stippling, I find the inner tube to work fine without being permanent.  I've gone back and forth for weeks whether or not I want to go through with the VP9.  The more duty/street friendly trigger is something I'm keen to try out.  I'm sure I'll continue to go back and forth a while longer before pursuing the swap.

 

 

After going to the range yesterday, putting about 200 rounds downrange..I started to have the problem of the slide not locking back to the rear, because of my hand placement. What's the remedy for that again? I didn't have it last time I took her out..but I guess I had a more hands forward position this time around.

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Originally Posted by BrooklynBacon:
After going to the range yesterday, putting about 200 rounds downrange..I started to have the problem of the slide not locking back to the rear, because of my hand placement. What's the remedy for that again? I didn't have it last time I took her out..but I guess I had a more hands forward position this time around.

I had the same issue pop up during a recent class.  I put my strong side thumb slightly outward onto my support side thumb or hand rather than directly against the slide.  Only moved my thumb a fraction of an inch. 

I've run about 300 rounds through mine so far.  Moved from the small backstrap to the medium after the first range session.  Getting some weird pains in my wrist after shooting, but that just may be my 40 years catching up to me.  Pleasantly surprised so far, but will have a better assessment after 1-2k rounds. 

 

I've used two holsters with mine to date.  An Armordillo Concealment X-Fer and a Kaluban Cloak (remember that guy?) holster made for my full-size HK45/TLR-1.  I've run it appendix carry with the X-FER.  That holster works with any gun that has a TLR-1 mounted.  Only used during range sessions while standing though.  The X-FER, despite its flexibility, is a poor AIWB holster for me because the kydex digs right into the groin.  That said, drills running the gun from AIWB with that holster are on par with what I see running my M&Ps and Glocks.  Surprisingly, the gun fits in my HK45 w/light Kaluban Cloak holster.  Not a perfect form fit mind you, but it goes in smoothly and draws the same.  Trigger guard I would say is about 95% covered.  The light locks the gun in place.  For mags, my Glock 17 Raven holsters are working just fine, though again, the fit isn't form perfect.

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I picked up my new VP9 yesterday. I only have 50 rounds thru it so far. If it continues to shoot as well as it did, one of my 19s will go to the gun safe. After a few hundred more rounds I will be calling Raven up for another Phantom holster. The next range day I will be trying the smaller grip pieces.  With 27 possibilities that may take a while to pick a best combo for my hands.  

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